Thin Healthy Mama Diet?
frameloss
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Hi, has any one heard of this diet? It’s considered a life style healthy eating plan versus a diet! Just ordered the book to check it out! 😊
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I've only heard second hand about it from someone who was starting it, so I only know about it from how she explained it to me.
From the explanation given to me, it sounds like a bunch of nonsense, if I'm going to be honest. From what I was told, and granted, she might have been sketchy on the details, it sounds like a food combining plan, along with some other gems thrown in there about special foods and such.
Honestly, if any eating plan isn't mentioning that you need to control your calories and eat less than you burn AND gives you some way to do that? Steer clear of it.23 -
QFT!!GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I've only heard second hand about it from someone who was starting it, so I only know about it from how she explained it to me.
From the explanation given to me, it sounds like a bunch of nonsense, if I'm going to be honest. From what I was told, and granted, she might have been sketchy on the details, it sounds like a food combining plan, along with some other gems thrown in there about special foods and such.
Honestly, if any eating plan isn't mentioning that you need to control your calories and eat less than you burn AND gives you some way to do that? Steer clear of it.
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Hi, has any one heard of this diet? It’s considered a life style healthy eating plan versus a diet! Just ordered the book to check it out! 😊
Do you possibly mean trim healthy mama? I couldn't find a thin healthy mama plan in my google search, just recipes, but I'm not up to speed on all the diets out there.
I found trim healthy mama review here. From reading the review, my reservations with the diet would be that the authors do not have any training in nutrition, and I don't know of any scientific support for their plan of having carb-focused meals and fat-focused meals, and not eating carbs and fat together. I also haven't looked for any research on it, so that doesn't mean that it doesn't potentially exist somewhere.
From the potential benefits category, there could possibly be something to the notion of the carb-focused and fat-focused plans strictly from the sense of satiety and helping you stick to an eating plan. I don't know that I would buy into the plan completely, but there's nothing wrong with reading a book and making your own decisions as to whether any of it sounds like it could be helpful to you. You might end up discovering the foods that help you feel full and stay on track, or some really great new recipes.10 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I've only heard second hand about it from someone who was starting it, so I only know about it from how she explained it to me.
From the explanation given to me, it sounds like a bunch of nonsense, if I'm going to be honest. From what I was told, and granted, she might have been sketchy on the details, it sounds like a food combining plan, along with some other gems thrown in there about special foods and such.
Honestly, if any eating plan isn't mentioning that you need to control your calories and eat less than you burn AND gives you some way to do that? Steer clear of it.
This. THM emphasis is avoiding most carbs and the timing of meals and macros. It reinforces the idea that foods are “good” and “bad” and adheres to pseudoscience. It doesn’t address the mental and emotional aspects of overeating and food relationships. They peddle their magical way of eating over simple CICO.
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Thanks everybody! Yes trim healthy mama! 😊. I’m going to just read the book and see what they say!12
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Is it too late to cancel the order? Sounds like a bunch of bunk.14
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Its a shame so many people are so confused about how the body works with food, that they will not only buy this crap, but believe it.9
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It is a lifestyle healthy eating plan. CICO is a scientific formula, but most eating plans aim to be a way to implement that formula in a way that makes you happy, healthy and satisfied for the long term. That's what this is.
I think it is a very good book and a good plan if that's what you choose to do. They recommend eating to satiation, but not overeating or under eating or cutting out whole food groups which is a real problem for a whole lot of women. For best satiation and weight loss, they suggest combining carbs with protein or fat with protein, but limiting the amount of carbs with fat in each meal since those portions can often get out of control. They do recommend meals that mix all 3 macros if you are in maintenance or a child or have a high metabolism or are pregnant/nursing. Their food combining goes meal by meal, not day by day. You get to choose your preferred macros each day depending on what makes you happiest, most satisfied and leads to best weight loss.
The plan is written by two sisters who have different approaches to life. One is a super clean eater. The other one makes more standard food choices (make your own homemade dairy free cheese or buy grated cheese, use stock made from the pasture raised organic chicken you bought at a local farm or buy a carton of chicken broth). Most of their recipes give options for both lifestyles. Some of their recipes use special ingredients, but they also mark which ones have no special ingredients and sometimes give standard alternatives (for example, it might say to add nutritional yeast or leave it out; or it might give the option of using the THM sweetener or using your own grocery store sweetener).
Their Trim Healthy Mama Cookbook has been my most used cookbook ever. Many of the recipes have become staples in my house over the past few years since they're almost all quick, easy and delicious. All the recipes are naturally gluten free and many are dairy free.
I do not follow the THM eating plan, but I do love their recipes and I think they've created a solid eating plan that helps one learn to eat a variety of satiating foods while lowering calorie intake. I tend to lean more Weston A. Price, although no longer full-on, and I like to eat plenty of fat with my carbs.
I make the egg roll in a bowl, the creamless creamy chicken and the two-minute nutty noodles all the time.8 -
I'm of the opinion that if it take an entire book to explain a diet then it's probably over complicating things in order to make money rather than offer a solution.
It shouldn't take an entire book to say 'eat less, move more'.26 -
It shouldn't take an entire book to say 'eat less, move more'.
Well, I think the focus is more on general physical, emotional and mental health. Yes, you could eat nothing but a small amount of Twinkies, but you probably wouldn't be that healthy. And all those recipes take up a lot of pages.
Is it the general consensus on MFP that using cookbooks, support groups or any type of formal structure to one's diet is wrong? I seem to read an astronomical number of posts that indicate that. My opinion is that whatever you're going to stick to and whatever works with your lifestyle is the best plan.8 -
It shouldn't take an entire book to say 'eat less, move more'.
Well, I think the focus is more on general physical, emotional and mental health. Yes, you could eat nothing but a small amount of Twinkies, but you probably wouldn't be that healthy. And all those recipes take up a lot of pages.
Is it the general consensus on MFP that using cookbooks, support groups or any type of formal structure to one's diet is wrong? I seem to read an astronomical number of posts that indicate that. My opinion is that whatever you're going to stick to and whatever works with your lifestyle is the best plan.
There are tons of people here who use cookbooks. The general consensus is that anyone trying to make money selling you a specific plan should promote some caution . . . but if you find a specific technique or tool to be useful, why not use it?8 -
It shouldn't take an entire book to say 'eat less, move more'.
Well, I think the focus is more on general physical, emotional and mental health. Yes, you could eat nothing but a small amount of Twinkies, but you probably wouldn't be that healthy. And all those recipes take up a lot of pages.
Is it the general consensus on MFP that using cookbooks, support groups or any type of formal structure to one's diet is wrong? I seem to read an astronomical number of posts that indicate that. My opinion is that whatever you're going to stick to and whatever works with your lifestyle is the best plan.
No one here has suggested to eat nothing but Twinkies. There is a huge difference between "You don't need to follow a book or meal plan to lose weight" and "Just eat Twinkies, it'll be fine".
My idea of the "consensus" is that it's much better to take the time to figure out what foods/macros/meal sizes etc work specifically for you, so that once you reach goal weight, you can just keep eating that way with slightly more food and have a leg up on keeping it off. The general problem with structured diets or meal plans IMHO is that if you are following them because you have to in order to lose weight, you are less likely to stick to it long term, and once you get into maintenance you are more likely to STILL not know how to eat in a way you actually enjoy at the right calorie level, so you end up going back to the way you always ate and gain the weight back. It's not to say it can't work, but I think a big reason most people gain the weight back is because they go on a "diet" to lose weight and go off the "diet" once they hit goal. But there are also plenty of folks here who have lost weight on WW, Atkins, meal replacements, etc.
The criticisms of this book specifically though seem to be that the authors don't have credible credentials to be giving this sort of guidance, and that the specific advice given is probably not useful.18 -
It shouldn't take an entire book to say 'eat less, move more'.
Well, I think the focus is more on general physical, emotional and mental health. Yes, you could eat nothing but a small amount of Twinkies, but you probably wouldn't be that healthy. And all those recipes take up a lot of pages.
Is it the general consensus on MFP that using cookbooks, support groups or any type of formal structure to one's diet is wrong? I seem to read an astronomical number of posts that indicate that. My opinion is that whatever you're going to stick to and whatever works with your lifestyle is the best plan.
Well, the forums are essentially a support group with a healthy dash of tough love, and there's lots of love for cookbooks like The Joy of Cooking and sites like America's Test Kitchen, so I do not share your perspective.7 -
It shouldn't take an entire book to say 'eat less, move more'.
Well, I think the focus is more on general physical, emotional and mental health. Yes, you could eat nothing but a small amount of Twinkies, but you probably wouldn't be that healthy. And all those recipes take up a lot of pages.
Is it the general consensus on MFP that using cookbooks, support groups or any type of formal structure to one's diet is wrong? I seem to read an astronomical number of posts that indicate that. My opinion is that whatever you're going to stick to and whatever works with your lifestyle is the best plan.
My opinion is that everyone needs to find out what they need not be told what they need. Studying other diets is fine as long as you have the common sense to incorporate only the specific things that you require to be successful.
It is incredibly important to like whatever you are doing to lose weight most days. You don't have to love it but hating it is going to make it extremely difficult to stick to it. What I am doing is working very well for me but it is not a plan that I can package and sell to the masses.6 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊3
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Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
You want to see conflict, check out the debate forum. :laugh:
People just don't want you wasting money and spinning your wheels. These diet plans are largely unnecessary. You may find certain foods or plans are better for keeping you full longer, which helps with compliance in keeping to reduced calories which is what is needed for weight loss. People are different in what fills them, and you can just as easily (and for free) play around with what you are eating to see what works. For me, getting enough protien and fat and then veggies for bulk tends to be best. Others find higher carb, low fat to be better for them. Some prefer very low carb, and some find an eating window to be effective.12 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
Or you could just save the money you’re spending on these books and eat a variety of foods, within an appropriate calorie goal, focusing on those which provide nutrients (macro and micro), satiety, and enjoyment.
I mean do you really need a book to tell you not to eat a diet of just Twinkies?10 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
I get that, I sort of learned through 40 years of trying different things what did and didn't work.
The thing is, I ultimately found out that the information I really needed to be successful was what I had learned in high school. Calories matter above all, but I needed to learn how to implement that knowledge.
I needed to learn how to calculate my daily energy expenditure (MFP does that for you!), my exercise calories, and then how to properly account for the calories in the foods I eat so that I was creating a calorie deficit.
I learned about weighing my food using a food scale for accuracy. I learned about verifying data base entries using the USDA data base.
I already knew everything I needed to know about good nutrition. What I needed to learn was how to feel full and satisfied eating less. I learned the importance of balancing the right combination (for me, this seems to be a very individual thing) of protein, fat, and carbohydrates to feel full.
None of that cost me any money except for the food scale. I just needed to hang out on these forums and read the stickies.
I'm now 90 pounds lighter and it's my first successful attempt at weight loss in my life. I've struggled with weight since I was a preteen, and I'm 56 now.9 -
One of the bigger stumbling blocks for me and my wife in the past were specific plans with menus and recipes because they were not realistic for our lives. Most of them were not the kind of food that you can fix in advance and reheat without a serious drop in quality.
For the last year my wife has decided to drink a shake and eat a bar for breakfast and eat traditional breakfast food for dinner probably 4 nights a week because it is fast and easy. This works much better for her than any of the books and plans she has tried before and she has tried many. That is the power of a plan that is catered to a specific individual as opposed to one that is designed to work for many people.12 -
Does the plan give you a specific calorie allowance for your individual needs or does it promote the same plan for a small mature person as for a 6'4 rugby playing youth?2
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One of the bigger stumbling blocks for me and my wife in the past were specific plans with menus and recipes because they were not realistic for our lives. Most of them were not the kind of food that you can fix in advance and reheat without a serious drop in quality.
For the last year my wife has decided to drink a shake and eat a bar for breakfast and eat traditional breakfast food for dinner probably 4 nights a week because it is fast and easy. This works much better for her than any of the books and plans she has tried before and she has tried many. That is the power of a plan that is catered to a specific individual as opposed to one that is designed to work for many people.
Or... maybe she should write a book and sell her BFD (breakfast for dinner) plan to the masses!14 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
I get that, I sort of learned through 40 years of trying different things what did and didn't work.
The thing is, I ultimately found out that the information I really needed to be successful was what I had learned in high school. Calories matter above all, but I needed to learn how to implement that knowledge.
I needed to learn how to calculate my daily energy expenditure (MFP does that for you!), my exercise calories, and then how to properly account for the calories in the foods I eat so that I was creating a calorie deficit.
I learned about weighing my food using a food scale for accuracy. I learned about verifying data base entries using the USDA data base.
I already knew everything I needed to know about good nutrition. What I needed to learn was how to feel full and satisfied eating less. I learned the importance of balancing the right combination (for me, this seems to be a very individual thing) of protein, fat, and carbohydrates to feel full.
None of that cost me any money except for the food scale. I just needed to hang out on these forums and read the stickies.
I'm now 90 pounds lighter and it's my first successful attempt at weight loss in my life. I've struggled with weight since I was a preteen, and I'm 56 now.
Thanks for this! I was feeling frustrated because nothing was making me full! You are right, you got to find out what works for you! 😊5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »One of the bigger stumbling blocks for me and my wife in the past were specific plans with menus and recipes because they were not realistic for our lives. Most of them were not the kind of food that you can fix in advance and reheat without a serious drop in quality.
For the last year my wife has decided to drink a shake and eat a bar for breakfast and eat traditional breakfast food for dinner probably 4 nights a week because it is fast and easy. This works much better for her than any of the books and plans she has tried before and she has tried many. That is the power of a plan that is catered to a specific individual as opposed to one that is designed to work for many people.
Or... maybe she should write a book and sell her BFD (breakfast for dinner) plan to the masses!
Yay... more money!6 -
It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.14 -
The problem is that there's no reason not to eat carbs and fats together, and avoiding doing so contributes nothing whatsoever to weight loss. That's where the 'woo' aspect of it comes in. Basically, it's a trick they're using to keep people from eating things like desserts, candy, ice cream, etc. - which may help create a calorie deficit by cutting out some calorie-dense items in the diet, but it also arbitrarily excludes eating things like meat and vegetables together, which is ridiculous.KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat...
Personally, I don't believe in any diet which places arbitrary restrictions on macros, foods or entire food groups without there being a valid reason to do so, and without reputable peer-reviewed research to back it up.18 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
Don't worry about that. Conflict is what internet forums and message boards thrive on. Without conflict every thread would be:
Person 1: I'm going to do a thing.
Person 2: That's great! Good luck.
/end thread
Boring!
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KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).8 -
Just had a patient tell me about this. Took a look at their site. The woo meter went off when just about every recipe on their site uses their own proprietary "blend". If it they promoted eating healthy using foods you can buy anywhere I may be ok with it, but they are for profit. When you can lose weight for free why pay into something to achieve the same results.
ETA: Looked into another tab on their site and you can sign up to be a "coach". OP find another option that doesn't sound like an MLM scam.15 -
what "gottaburnemall" said! and... the challenge with "do what works for you" and "choose the parts you like" is we tend to do what humans do, which is to choose the easy and comfortable and set aside the difficult. we want to believe that a special combination of foods or meal timing or a supplement is going to change the way human bodies work and make losing weight (and keeping it lost) effortless because that is a lot more fun than managing CICO, eating nutritious food, exercising, and getting adequate sleep as a daily practice.3
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janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.6
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