Thin Healthy Mama Diet?
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worsthorse wrote: »what "gottaburnemall" said! and... the challenge with "do what works for you" and "choose the parts you like" is we tend to do what humans do, which is to choose the easy and comfortable and set aside the difficult. we want to believe that a special combination of foods or meal timing or a supplement is going to change the way human bodies work and make losing weight (and keeping it lost) effortless because that is a lot more fun than managing CICO, eating nutritious food, exercising, and getting adequate sleep as a daily practice.
I think you are misinterpreting the meaning behind "do what works for you" and "choose the parts you like," particularly if you think it means choosing the easy and comfortable and setting aside the difficult.
Weight loss shouldn't be difficult to manage. If you are finding it difficult, it likely because you are trying to incorporate practices that just do not work for you and your lifestyle.
No one saying "do what works for you" means "take a pill so you don't have to do anything," it means use the practices that are helpful to you. For some people, meal timing might be helpful, such as people who practice intermittent fasting. For others, food combinations might be helpful - some people feel sluggish when they eat a lot of carbs at once, or don't find carbs filling, so planning their day to spread those carbs out, or making sure to include a certain amount of protein or fat at certain meals might help them feel better and allow them to manage their calorie intake.
Everyone doing those things is "managing CICO," they just may or may not be doing straight calorie counting. It sounds like the idea of this plan is to force you into a deficit using food combinations, which may help with satiety and cause you to avoid eating certain foods that you could have a tendency to overeat. I've already stated my reservations with that, and it's not the plan I would personally choose, but if someone else read it and said "hey, some of this stuff seems like it would work for my life and it would be easy for me to manage in order to stay in a calorie deficit," good for them. I really can't say for anyone else whether they notice they feel better or feel like they can manage their intake more effectively using those practices.9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I’m glad you clarified that,
One of my pet peeves is the blanket use of the word ‘carb’ without distinguishing between the complex, refined or starchy.
It is one of the big disservices performed on the buying public, IMO.2 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
Many of us have tried silly diets and we want to save others from making our mistakes
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Can you only do it if you are a “Mama”!2
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KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water.
But none of that makes any sense to me.
I am a huge proponent of healthy eating and that dieting is just lower cals, not some weird fad thing or special foods (so I am all about focusing on a lifestyle (including exercise!) rather than some named diet. But this seems precisely to be a "diet" with all the weird rules you just listed above.
IMO, if you understand healthy eating, it's about calorie-appropriate (many don't need to count, although if you are overeating good to see why), getting in sufficient protein and nutrients and fiber, and basically eating a well-balanced diet with lots of vegetables.
For me, and within the diet of most people, carbs and fats ARE eaten together, and while that's not essential for many it makes having an overall balanced diet easier. For example, let's say you like the traditional American pattern of 3 meals. On an average day I might eat:
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
Not obsessing about calories and good/bad foods is fine, although looking at calories doesn't mean you are obsessing and can be helpful for a lot of people.
Eat frequently? Why? People have different preferences for how often to eat -- for me eating lots of mini meals is both completely impractical and also really unsatisfying, and tends to make me want to eat more. Others DO like packing lots of snacks and getting more calories from snacks than main meals, and find that MORE satisfying, and still others prefer eating 2 or even 1 meal a day or limiting their eating window. People are different, so a book that pushes one-size-fits-all is basically misleading people.8 -
One of my pet peeves is the blanket use of the word ‘carb’ without distinguishing between the complex, refined or starchy. It is one of the big disservices performed on the buying public, IMO.
Agree, but will go beyond that -- one of my pet peeves is the use of "carbs" to mean specific food items (often a mix of macros) and not to include other food items that are mostly carbs.
For example, some people will use carbs to mean pizza (?), cake (?), pasta (even with a high fat sauce or meat sauce), as well as bread (even with butter), potatoes (same), fries, etc., and assume it will be understood that's what they mean, and not fruit, veg, beans, etc.
Thus, if someone says don't eat carbs with fat, I think it is totally reasonable to think they mean never cook veg in olive oil. That IS carbs with fat. Such rules just show a lack of understanding of nutrition, period.8 -
These two things tell me everything I need to know about THM. They also tell me to run, fast, in the oposite direction:
1) https://store.trimhealthymama.com/
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Just another MLM plan that plays on people's ignorance and desperation.
The sad part is that plans like these - with lists of do's and don'ts - are specifically designed to reel in the uninformed with their 'magical' food combining (or avoidance) meal timing, 'super foods' etc. People who have had difficulty losing weight in the past (which is always a result of them consistently eating more calories than they burn in a day) look to a plan like this and have a eureka moment. "So THIS is why I haven't been losing weight! I've been eating the wrong foods/wrong combo of foods/wrong timing of foods this whole time!"
It's infuriating, especially because most people will still fail to lose weight, or only lose it temporarily, gain it back and then feel like a total failure yet again.
Rinse and repeat.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I know it's common to use "carbohydrates" to mean "starches," but I don't get why people do it when "starches" already does the job perfectly.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I know it's common to use "carbohydrates" to mean "starches," but I don't get why people do it when "starches" already does the job perfectly.
As lemurcat posted above, there's a general lack of literacy with the use of the term "carbs". People use it as short-hand to mean all sorts of things that include other macros and forget that it also means things like kale and raspberries. Add to this the common confusion between a refined carb and a simple carb and ... well.
Plans like THM do nothing to clear up this confusion.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I know it's common to use "carbohydrates" to mean "starches," but I don't get why people do it when "starches" already does the job perfectly.
As lemurcat posted above, there's a general lack of literacy with the use of the term "carbs". People use it as short-hand to mean all sorts of things that include other macros and forget that it also means things like kale and raspberries. Add to this the common confusion between a refined carb and a simple carb and ... well.
Plans like THM do nothing to clear up this confusion.
Yeah, I should have written "I don't know why (besides nutritional ignorance) people do this."4 -
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
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Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
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KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
Wait, so no avocado in salads? No vegetable stir fries or sautes? Or egg/tuna salad sandwiches?3 -
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
Too many rules. Losing weight is difficult enough without crazy dieting rules or how to pair food.10 -
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
Um, then the claim that they aren't mixing fat and carbs is false. And there's no eat tons of meals or whatever it was.
Anyway, the omelet with fruit on the side wasn't under 10 g of carbs. Using normal veg I'd log, it's about 17 g for the omelet alone, with a small serving of blueberries it's around 25 g. If I do cottage cheese instead of fruit (not uncommon), it's around 20 g. If I have plain greek yogurt instead of cottage cheese, it's 22 g.
It's extremely rare for me to have any meals with less than 5 g of fat, I suspect. (I had a smoothie for breakfast today, since I was lazy, wanted to use up my homemade almond milk, and felt like one after running, despite the weather, and even it had 16 g of fat (from almonds, mostly).
Also, I don't worry about how much fat and carbs are in my meals, which makes it apparently different from THM, and means I avoid made-up, pointless rules (my rules are based on my own ideas about nutrition and what tends to work for me).6 -
Personally, I prefer to eat at least some fat (5g is trivial!) with any and all veggies (ooo, way more than 10g carbs!). I know one strictly needn't combine slavishly at each meal, but I want best odds of absorbing all the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) I'm eating.
Here's the thing that really gets me, though, with all these rules-y ways of eating: What are the odds that evolution designed human omnivores, over thousands of years of surviving feast, famine, varied geography and climate, to best thrive only by following a bunch of intricate rules about when to eat, how to combine foods, etc.?
Sometimes I think us (relatively) wealthy modern first-worlders are Just Nuts.
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Personally, I prefer to eat at least some fat (5g is trivial!) with any and all veggies (ooo, way more than 10g carbs!). I know one strictly needn't combine slavishly at each meal, but I want best odds of absorbing all the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) I'm eating.
Here's the thing that really gets me, though, with all these rules-y ways of eating: What are the odds that evolution designed human omnivores, over thousands of years of surviving feast, famine, varied geography and climate, to best thrive only by following a bunch of intricate rules about when to eat, how to combine foods, etc.?
Sometimes I think us (relatively) wealthy modern first-worlders are Just Nuts.
^This. And like you, I prefer to eat fat with my veggies, just in case.2 -
I don't understand why people try to make losing weight so complicated... what is the point in creating all these arbitrary rules about how to combine different foods? It seems so silly to me. Don't you have more important things to worry about and spend your time on?
ETA, it's a money making racket. MLM scheme. Don't waste your time or your money. It's not necessary.5 -
I'm on the "Old Chubby Grandpa" diet. Basically eat what ever Grandma puts in front of you. Guaranteed to lose - hair, teeth, memories.8
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I've lost 60lbs so far with Trim Healthy Mama. The whole purpose of the book is to teach you how to eat specifically for your own body. Fuels are separated to lose weight, combined to maintain. It isn't a low carb or low fat diet. It is more low glycemic. It isn't this food or that food is taboo, it is moderation. The book explains how food is processed by your body. It explains how different foods heal and restore your body. How your body is effected by hormone deficiency, and what you can do to restore them to regain balance (physically and emotionally). The main focus is healing the body, weight loss is a perk. From personal experience, I no longer have the aches or pains that I used to in my joints or feet. Inflammation of scar tissue (5 c-sections) doesn't happen anymore either. My mom's sugar levels were FINALLY balanced. Cholesterol and blood pressure coming down/ being restored. Ladies who have suffered PCOS getting pregnant from their bodies healing- that's HUGE!! Again, their hearts are in seeing people healed and the weight is the perk, not the priority. Look the ladies up. This is what they are creating, The Butterfly Institute in Nashville, https://thebutterflyinstitute.org/about/ in order to help heal the WHOLE individual. It's amazing what a little research of your own instead of here say reveals...12
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Does the plan give you a specific calorie allowance for your individual needs or does it promote the same plan for a small mature person as for a 6'4 rugby playing youth?
It is not a calorie counting thing at all (obviously, eat a piece of cake or a whole cake it will come into play.) The point is food freedom. You are eating per meal, not per day. What your body needs in regards to carbs or fats will be different than mine. You eat 'til you are satisfied. Some days that means you have alot leftover, and some days (like myself) you'll out eat your husband! What your body needs to work it's best may be more carbs where mine may do better with more fats. You figure it out as you go along what works for you. If you are stalling or gaining, adjust your fuel source. Or another example, if I eat too many carbs, my joints and scar tissue will ache. So I'll adjust and eat not as many carby meals and focus on my fats. You aren't making a separate meal from your family either. A simple addition of a side dish or you not partaking of a side can keep you where you want to be (figure buttered veggies for fat or maybe brown rice for carb). You eat it or you don't. No biggie, and your family is all eating the same thing.6 -
esapphire5181 wrote: »The book explains how food is processed by your body.
From what was reported about the plan upthread, as well as your own report about fuels being separated to lose weight, it certainly seems like the book explains in an incorrect manner how food is supposedly, but not really processed by the body.7 -
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