Thin Healthy Mama Diet?
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One of the bigger stumbling blocks for me and my wife in the past were specific plans with menus and recipes because they were not realistic for our lives. Most of them were not the kind of food that you can fix in advance and reheat without a serious drop in quality.
For the last year my wife has decided to drink a shake and eat a bar for breakfast and eat traditional breakfast food for dinner probably 4 nights a week because it is fast and easy. This works much better for her than any of the books and plans she has tried before and she has tried many. That is the power of a plan that is catered to a specific individual as opposed to one that is designed to work for many people.
Or... maybe she should write a book and sell her BFD (breakfast for dinner) plan to the masses!14 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
I get that, I sort of learned through 40 years of trying different things what did and didn't work.
The thing is, I ultimately found out that the information I really needed to be successful was what I had learned in high school. Calories matter above all, but I needed to learn how to implement that knowledge.
I needed to learn how to calculate my daily energy expenditure (MFP does that for you!), my exercise calories, and then how to properly account for the calories in the foods I eat so that I was creating a calorie deficit.
I learned about weighing my food using a food scale for accuracy. I learned about verifying data base entries using the USDA data base.
I already knew everything I needed to know about good nutrition. What I needed to learn was how to feel full and satisfied eating less. I learned the importance of balancing the right combination (for me, this seems to be a very individual thing) of protein, fat, and carbohydrates to feel full.
None of that cost me any money except for the food scale. I just needed to hang out on these forums and read the stickies.
I'm now 90 pounds lighter and it's my first successful attempt at weight loss in my life. I've struggled with weight since I was a preteen, and I'm 56 now.
Thanks for this! I was feeling frustrated because nothing was making me full! You are right, you got to find out what works for you! 😊5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »One of the bigger stumbling blocks for me and my wife in the past were specific plans with menus and recipes because they were not realistic for our lives. Most of them were not the kind of food that you can fix in advance and reheat without a serious drop in quality.
For the last year my wife has decided to drink a shake and eat a bar for breakfast and eat traditional breakfast food for dinner probably 4 nights a week because it is fast and easy. This works much better for her than any of the books and plans she has tried before and she has tried many. That is the power of a plan that is catered to a specific individual as opposed to one that is designed to work for many people.
Or... maybe she should write a book and sell her BFD (breakfast for dinner) plan to the masses!
Yay... more money!6 -
It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.14 -
The problem is that there's no reason not to eat carbs and fats together, and avoiding doing so contributes nothing whatsoever to weight loss. That's where the 'woo' aspect of it comes in. Basically, it's a trick they're using to keep people from eating things like desserts, candy, ice cream, etc. - which may help create a calorie deficit by cutting out some calorie-dense items in the diet, but it also arbitrarily excludes eating things like meat and vegetables together, which is ridiculous.KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat...
Personally, I don't believe in any diet which places arbitrary restrictions on macros, foods or entire food groups without there being a valid reason to do so, and without reputable peer-reviewed research to back it up.18 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
Don't worry about that. Conflict is what internet forums and message boards thrive on. Without conflict every thread would be:
Person 1: I'm going to do a thing.
Person 2: That's great! Good luck.
/end thread
Boring!
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KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).8 -
Just had a patient tell me about this. Took a look at their site. The woo meter went off when just about every recipe on their site uses their own proprietary "blend". If it they promoted eating healthy using foods you can buy anywhere I may be ok with it, but they are for profit. When you can lose weight for free why pay into something to achieve the same results.
ETA: Looked into another tab on their site and you can sign up to be a "coach". OP find another option that doesn't sound like an MLM scam.15 -
what "gottaburnemall" said! and... the challenge with "do what works for you" and "choose the parts you like" is we tend to do what humans do, which is to choose the easy and comfortable and set aside the difficult. we want to believe that a special combination of foods or meal timing or a supplement is going to change the way human bodies work and make losing weight (and keeping it lost) effortless because that is a lot more fun than managing CICO, eating nutritious food, exercising, and getting adequate sleep as a daily practice.3
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janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.6 -
worsthorse wrote: »what "gottaburnemall" said! and... the challenge with "do what works for you" and "choose the parts you like" is we tend to do what humans do, which is to choose the easy and comfortable and set aside the difficult. we want to believe that a special combination of foods or meal timing or a supplement is going to change the way human bodies work and make losing weight (and keeping it lost) effortless because that is a lot more fun than managing CICO, eating nutritious food, exercising, and getting adequate sleep as a daily practice.
I think you are misinterpreting the meaning behind "do what works for you" and "choose the parts you like," particularly if you think it means choosing the easy and comfortable and setting aside the difficult.
Weight loss shouldn't be difficult to manage. If you are finding it difficult, it likely because you are trying to incorporate practices that just do not work for you and your lifestyle.
No one saying "do what works for you" means "take a pill so you don't have to do anything," it means use the practices that are helpful to you. For some people, meal timing might be helpful, such as people who practice intermittent fasting. For others, food combinations might be helpful - some people feel sluggish when they eat a lot of carbs at once, or don't find carbs filling, so planning their day to spread those carbs out, or making sure to include a certain amount of protein or fat at certain meals might help them feel better and allow them to manage their calorie intake.
Everyone doing those things is "managing CICO," they just may or may not be doing straight calorie counting. It sounds like the idea of this plan is to force you into a deficit using food combinations, which may help with satiety and cause you to avoid eating certain foods that you could have a tendency to overeat. I've already stated my reservations with that, and it's not the plan I would personally choose, but if someone else read it and said "hey, some of this stuff seems like it would work for my life and it would be easy for me to manage in order to stay in a calorie deficit," good for them. I really can't say for anyone else whether they notice they feel better or feel like they can manage their intake more effectively using those practices.9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I’m glad you clarified that,
One of my pet peeves is the blanket use of the word ‘carb’ without distinguishing between the complex, refined or starchy.
It is one of the big disservices performed on the buying public, IMO.2 -
Hi all! didn’t mean to create some conflict on this board. I was honestly just curious if anyone had tried this plan. I like to read food and wellness info. And just take bits of pieces from each book. I’ve read ....bright line eating, whole 30, skinny *kitten* ( when was much younger... party bc the name cracked me up 😊). The THM plan intrigued me bc of the food combining. A friend of mine does a plan called fuel foods and they charge 150 a month which I have refused to do. 😊
Many of us have tried silly diets and we want to save others from making our mistakes
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Can you only do it if you are a “Mama”!2
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KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water.
But none of that makes any sense to me.
I am a huge proponent of healthy eating and that dieting is just lower cals, not some weird fad thing or special foods (so I am all about focusing on a lifestyle (including exercise!) rather than some named diet. But this seems precisely to be a "diet" with all the weird rules you just listed above.
IMO, if you understand healthy eating, it's about calorie-appropriate (many don't need to count, although if you are overeating good to see why), getting in sufficient protein and nutrients and fiber, and basically eating a well-balanced diet with lots of vegetables.
For me, and within the diet of most people, carbs and fats ARE eaten together, and while that's not essential for many it makes having an overall balanced diet easier. For example, let's say you like the traditional American pattern of 3 meals. On an average day I might eat:
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
Not obsessing about calories and good/bad foods is fine, although looking at calories doesn't mean you are obsessing and can be helpful for a lot of people.
Eat frequently? Why? People have different preferences for how often to eat -- for me eating lots of mini meals is both completely impractical and also really unsatisfying, and tends to make me want to eat more. Others DO like packing lots of snacks and getting more calories from snacks than main meals, and find that MORE satisfying, and still others prefer eating 2 or even 1 meal a day or limiting their eating window. People are different, so a book that pushes one-size-fits-all is basically misleading people.8 -
One of my pet peeves is the blanket use of the word ‘carb’ without distinguishing between the complex, refined or starchy. It is one of the big disservices performed on the buying public, IMO.
Agree, but will go beyond that -- one of my pet peeves is the use of "carbs" to mean specific food items (often a mix of macros) and not to include other food items that are mostly carbs.
For example, some people will use carbs to mean pizza (?), cake (?), pasta (even with a high fat sauce or meat sauce), as well as bread (even with butter), potatoes (same), fries, etc., and assume it will be understood that's what they mean, and not fruit, veg, beans, etc.
Thus, if someone says don't eat carbs with fat, I think it is totally reasonable to think they mean never cook veg in olive oil. That IS carbs with fat. Such rules just show a lack of understanding of nutrition, period.8 -
These two things tell me everything I need to know about THM. They also tell me to run, fast, in the oposite direction:
1) https://store.trimhealthymama.com/
2)
Just another MLM plan that plays on people's ignorance and desperation.
The sad part is that plans like these - with lists of do's and don'ts - are specifically designed to reel in the uninformed with their 'magical' food combining (or avoidance) meal timing, 'super foods' etc. People who have had difficulty losing weight in the past (which is always a result of them consistently eating more calories than they burn in a day) look to a plan like this and have a eureka moment. "So THIS is why I haven't been losing weight! I've been eating the wrong foods/wrong combo of foods/wrong timing of foods this whole time!"
It's infuriating, especially because most people will still fail to lose weight, or only lose it temporarily, gain it back and then feel like a total failure yet again.
Rinse and repeat.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I know it's common to use "carbohydrates" to mean "starches," but I don't get why people do it when "starches" already does the job perfectly.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I know it's common to use "carbohydrates" to mean "starches," but I don't get why people do it when "starches" already does the job perfectly.
As lemurcat posted above, there's a general lack of literacy with the use of the term "carbs". People use it as short-hand to mean all sorts of things that include other macros and forget that it also means things like kale and raspberries. Add to this the common confusion between a refined carb and a simple carb and ... well.
Plans like THM do nothing to clear up this confusion.4
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