1200 Calorie Diet???? Seriously???
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paperpudding wrote: »That seems strange claucescu - as I am 6 in shorter and probably older than you and it gave me 1460.
What rate of loss have you put in - given you already have a BMI right in middle of healthy range , you must only have very small amount you want to lose, so you should be setting it at 1/2 a week.
Look, I calculated here: https://tdeecalculator.net/. I am 38, 5,9 and 69 kg (152 lbs?) So my TDEE is 1,720 cals. That, for a weight loss the deficit should be of 500, I guess this is why MFP gave me 1,200 which is absolutely fine with me, I am not feeling hungry or something.
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And the same calculator gave me an ideal weight of 142-146 lbs (64-66 kg)0
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I won't be saying anything that hasn't already been said but here goes;
Some people have a slow metabolism. I for sure do, my maintenance calories are a round 1500. And I've got a decent muscle mass too. I've been counting calories close to 6 years now for various goals and I know my body and diet very well. So yeah if i want to lose and not have it take a year to get a tiny loss then 1200 is about right for me! I've stuck to this amount with no problems for long periods before and if you eat enough of the right things you can be fully satisfied the whole day. Certainly not starving!13 -
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MOST IGNORANT POST I'VE EVER SEEN. I know about starving. I am under medical care for some serious health problems. First, the amount I eat is carefully monitored as I went through a month of not being able to put more then 400 cal a day in and that's with shakes. If I lose weight too fast now at this point, I won't even be able to have surgery, there will only be less time in life for significant liver problems. Gallbladder just taken out with surgery. That is starving. All my specialists agree that an ideal weight loss which is healthy is '1200-1450' calories a day. That's a literal health direction for me. My Dr was even happy with 1000 calories and was clear even that was not starving but bordering on less safe.
Eating smaller meals is a choice-I am certain I am not the only one with GERD and other related medical problems that have to eat like that or it can't be done. It's not unhealthy nor is it healthier for an average person to eat just 3 meals a day. Again, I have to drink all day but if I drink anything less then 80 oz now, my whole mouth stays white, I get thrush and sore throats.
Then there are tons of people of all different sizes here. I started at 300 lbs and frankly, the first priority to health is to lose the weight. I know my gi and regular dr would have been fine before this approving the 800 calorie diet for the fact of health risks and what led me to where I am at. This is really subjective. There is truly nothing I hate worse or find more arrogant are non-medical know-it-alls whom never had to live as others live posting things like this. It can really do serious damage. Judging other people and how they lose weight is just stupid. This is supposed to be a forum for support. And frankly, if you don't know what you are talking about, please zip it and suck it in or try to learn.
You are talking about Keto mostly. If you eliminate starches and carbs and go that route then you can definitely eat more calories with moderation. Also, while limiting extras such as mayo, taking a teaspoon or two of oil is helpful. I am on the most restrictive and based diet under medical care that you can think of and was told by all specialists to take in healthy fats like olive oil. I have been told that carbs are not good for my problems and also told, ironically, to drink at least a cup of coffee a day if I can handle it with my meds for liver health.
I have also been told to not live your life with a list of limits. My Drs literally roll their eyes when I am panicked about all this stuff and how strict dieting should be. Try to be healthy but as my Dr states-just eat in moderation and try to balance it. You don't have to live as limited as others and you shouldn't live for your diet. These are really directly from all 6 of my Drs. Exercise but you don't have to go nuts on it. I can't actually. I can walk a mile or two some days and make it with a lot of breathing difficulties and my Drs are fine with this. If you want to exercise more-that is great. If you want to eat with life limits-that's great. Whatever works. Let's just not be idiotic about this. What works, works for different people.
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MOST IGNORANT POST I'VE EVER SEEN. I know about starving. I am under medical care for some serious health problems. First, the amount I eat is carefully monitored as I went through a month of not being able to put more then 400 cal a day in and that's with shakes. If I lose weight too fast now at this point, I won't even be able to have surgery, there will only be less time in life for significant liver problems. Gallbladder just taken out with surgery. That is starving. All my specialists agree that an ideal weight loss which is healthy is '1200-1450' calories a day. That's a literal health direction for me. My Dr was even happy with 1000 calories and was clear even that was not starving but bordering on less safe.
Eating smaller meals is a choice-I am certain I am not the only one with GERD and other related medical problems that have to eat like that or it can't be done. It's not unhealthy nor is it healthier for an average person to eat just 3 meals a day. Again, I have to drink all day but if I drink anything less then 80 oz now, my whole mouth stays white, I get thrush and sore throats.
Then there are tons of people of all different sizes here. I started at 300 lbs and frankly, the first priority to health is to lose the weight. I know my gi and regular dr would have been fine before this approving the 800 calorie diet for the fact of health risks and what led me to where I am at. This is really subjective. There is truly nothing I hate worse or find more arrogant are non-medical know-it-alls whom never had to live as others live posting things like this. It can really do serious damage. Judging other people and how they lose weight is just stupid. This is supposed to be a forum for support. And frankly, if you don't know what you are talking about, please zip it and suck it in or try to learn.
You were under medical care that's a totally different story, the issue is there are lot of people who aren't under medical care, unnecessarily restricting themselves because they've seen something on Pinterest or Instagram, or because they misunderstand how weight loss works.
Most of the responses at the moment are from the bump up around Page 30, not the original post which admittedly is full of woo.
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@drgrazie, you are under medical supervision for your calorie intake, that is a far cry from a person choosing to eat a very low/inappropriately low calorie diet and endangering their health.
When a person posts a new thread with just basic information it is assumed that there are no medical conditions that are affecting their weight loss.
We reply to the information provided as laymen. Quite often we can get a couple of pages in before the poster offers up their medical condition and stats. All we do is work with the info we have.
If there are problems outside the norm, a medical assessment is almost universally recommended.
No one disproves of a medically supervised low cal diet. Just state it up front in your posts so we know where you are coming from.
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MOST IGNORANT POST I'VE EVER SEEN. I know about starving. I am under medical care for some serious health problems. First, the amount I eat is carefully monitored as I went through a month of not being able to put more then 400 cal a day in and that's with shakes. If I lose weight too fast now at this point, I won't even be able to have surgery, there will only be less time in life for significant liver problems. Gallbladder just taken out with surgery. That is starving. All my specialists agree that an ideal weight loss which is healthy is '1200-1450' calories a day. That's a literal health direction for me. My Dr was even happy with 1000 calories and was clear even that was not starving but bordering on less safe.
Eating smaller meals is a choice-I am certain I am not the only one with GERD and other related medical problems that have to eat like that or it can't be done. It's not unhealthy nor is it healthier for an average person to eat just 3 meals a day. Again, I have to drink all day but if I drink anything less then 80 oz now, my whole mouth stays white, I get thrush and sore throats.
Then there are tons of people of all different sizes here. I started at 300 lbs and frankly, the first priority to health is to lose the weight. I know my gi and regular dr would have been fine before this approving the 800 calorie diet for the fact of health risks and what led me to where I am at. This is really subjective. There is truly nothing I hate worse or find more arrogant are non-medical know-it-alls whom never had to live as others live posting things like this. It can really do serious damage. Judging other people and how they lose weight is just stupid. This is supposed to be a forum for support. And frankly, if you don't know what you are talking about, please zip it and suck it in or try to learn.
You are talking about Keto mostly. If you eliminate starches and carbs and go that route then you can definitely eat more calories with moderation. Also, while limiting extras such as mayo, taking a teaspoon or two of oil is helpful. I am on the most restrictive and based diet under medical care that you can think of and was told by all specialists to take in healthy fats like olive oil. I have been told that carbs are not good for my problems and also told, ironically, to drink at least a cup of coffee a day if I can handle it with my meds for liver health.
I have also been told to not live your life with a list of limits. My Drs literally roll their eyes when I am panicked about all this stuff and how strict dieting should be. Try to be healthy but as my Dr states-just eat in moderation and try to balance it. You don't have to live as limited as others and you shouldn't live for your diet. These are really directly from all 6 of my Drs. Exercise but you don't have to go nuts on it. I can't actually. I can walk a mile or two some days and make it with a lot of breathing difficulties and my Drs are fine with this. If you want to exercise more-that is great. If you want to eat with life limits-that's great. Whatever works. Let's just not be idiotic about this. What works, works for different people.
You know that first post is from 2013, right? Person is not around. Did you read any of the rest of the thread?3 -
paperpudding wrote: »That seems strange claucescu - as I am 6 in shorter and probably older than you and it gave me 1460.
What rate of loss have you put in - given you already have a BMI right in middle of healthy range , you must only have very small amount you want to lose, so you should be setting it at 1/2 a week.
Look, I calculated here: https://tdeecalculator.net/. I am 38, 5,9 and 69 kg (152 lbs?) So my TDEE is 1,720 cals. That, for a weight loss the deficit should be of 500, I guess this is why MFP gave me 1,200 which is absolutely fine with me, I am not feeling hungry or something.
I got 1784 with sedentary -- are you really sedentary?
MFP assumes you will eat back exercise if you do its method, so its number would mean without exercise and would be higher if you exercise.
Also, if it gave you 1200, you must be asking for at least a half kg/week, and possibly 1 kg. If the latter, that's way too aggressive. Others will say 1 lb/week (around half a kg) is too aggressive too, I don't, but I'd say it's extremely important if you are going for such an aggressive rate that you do other things intended to bolster muscle, like eating sufficient protein (around .8 g per lb of weight at your current level) and strength training, and that you either eat back exercise or calculate TDEE with your actual activity level included. (I'll note that sites that use the TDEE calculator will usually recommend a percentage of calories to cut, no more than 20%, which at 1720 would be around 340, so well above 1200).
But your choice, obviously -- I just don't think your stats suggest the average person, even the average person seeking to lose vanity lbs, should be eating 1200. I'm only 5'3 and older than you, and am in the same situation, and lose weight on more calories than that, because I am active.
(I'm not anti 1200, I think it can be the right choice for people who aren't yet active and shorter/older people with lots to lose -- I started at 1200 + exercise and haven't regretted it.)3 -
My TDEE (I am in the normal BMI range, 22.5) is 1715 so if I want to lose weight, MFP gave me 1200/day. And I am tall: 5.9 (or 175cm).
Do you not do any exercise at all? It’s ok if you don’t, I’m just surprised that your TDEE is that low considering your height.
FWIW I’m 7 inches shorter and my TDEE is around 2100 at the moment, but much of that is because I’m moderately active (typically averaging 10-12k steps/day) even though I have a desk job. Also those calculators are just a starting point. I’ve not used the one you did but most calculators I used actually underestimated my numbers because I’m petite. Using your own results based on accurate logging will let you know if the numbers should be tweaked.
As others have said, if you’re already a normal BMI and have less than 25 lbs to lose you should be aiming for a 250 cal deficit or a loss of 0.5 lb/week.
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1200-1300 is just about right for me for a slow weight loss.. I'm 5'2 and not massively overweight (I'm about 10lbs over atm, tho I get the feeling my home scale might be a few lbs off) and if I'm (legit) sedentary I maintain on about 1600kcal a day... Even when I do exercise calculators/my personal observation shows me that I'm not managing to add more than about 200-300kcal a day to my daily allowance so at most, to have a 250something deficit, I can eat about 1200-1300kcal sedentary or about 1500kcal with exercise (which then evens out into a net 1200-1300kcal)
The most I ever managed to maintain on was about 1800 when I was around a BMI of 21 and it was with 45-60min of exercise (I was doing Insanity) 5-6 days a week + some yoga thrown in... which was not sustainable for me, long term
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I'm 5'3, and at 125 1800 is about my maintenance if I'm not doing extra exercise, but I live in a city and walk a lot in daily life. Adding in extra planned walking or my usual running schedule increases it further.0
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paperpudding wrote: »That seems strange claucescu - as I am 6 in shorter and probably older than you and it gave me 1460.
What rate of loss have you put in - given you already have a BMI right in middle of healthy range , you must only have very small amount you want to lose, so you should be setting it at 1/2 a week.
Look, I calculated here: https://tdeecalculator.net/. I am 38, 5,9 and 69 kg (152 lbs?) So my TDEE is 1,720 cals. That, for a weight loss the deficit should be of 500, I guess this is why MFP gave me 1,200 which is absolutely fine with me, I am not feeling hungry or something.
I got 1784 with sedentary -- are you really sedentary?
MFP assumes you will eat back exercise if you do its method, so its number would mean without exercise and would be higher if you exercise.
Also, if it gave you 1200, you must be asking for at least a half kg/week, and possibly 1 kg. If the latter, that's way too aggressive. Others will say 1 lb/week (around half a kg) is too aggressive too, I don't, but I'd say it's extremely important if you are going for such an aggressive rate that you do other things intended to bolster muscle, like eating sufficient protein (around .8 g per lb of weight at your current level) and strength training, and that you either eat back exercise or calculate TDEE with your actual activity level included. (I'll note that sites that use the TDEE calculator will usually recommend a percentage of calories to cut, no more than 20%, which at 1720 would be around 340, so well above 1200).
But your choice, obviously -- I just don't think your stats suggest the average person, even the average person seeking to lose vanity lbs, should be eating 1200. I'm only 5'3 and older than you, and am in the same situation, and lose weight on more calories than that, because I am active.
(I'm not anti 1200, I think it can be the right choice for people who aren't yet active and shorter/older people with lots to lose -- I started at 1200 + exercise and haven't regretted it.)
I am sedentary, yes. I actually drive to work, sit at my desk all day long, not even getting up ever hour or 2 as I should. At least I drink water. I don't know when 8 hours have passed. 🙁. And I don't walk either, I drive pretty much everywhere, logistically I cannot walk to get the kids, take them to activities and so on.
I bicycle with my husband and kids for many hours during the weekends but only when the weather is nice and now it's not the case.
I also use my indoor bike but I only add about 150-200 calories max.
When and if I will go to a gym and start working out regularly I will change the sedentary....right now my phone indicates soooo few steps, not even want to look at it.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »That seems strange claucescu - as I am 6 in shorter and probably older than you and it gave me 1460.
What rate of loss have you put in - given you already have a BMI right in middle of healthy range , you must only have very small amount you want to lose, so you should be setting it at 1/2 a week.
Look, I calculated here: https://tdeecalculator.net/. I am 38, 5,9 and 69 kg (152 lbs?) So my TDEE is 1,720 cals. That, for a weight loss the deficit should be of 500, I guess this is why MFP gave me 1,200 which is absolutely fine with me, I am not feeling hungry or something.
I got 1784 with sedentary -- are you really sedentary?
MFP assumes you will eat back exercise if you do its method, so its number would mean without exercise and would be higher if you exercise.
Also, if it gave you 1200, you must be asking for at least a half kg/week, and possibly 1 kg. If the latter, that's way too aggressive. Others will say 1 lb/week (around half a kg) is too aggressive too, I don't, but I'd say it's extremely important if you are going for such an aggressive rate that you do other things intended to bolster muscle, like eating sufficient protein (around .8 g per lb of weight at your current level) and strength training, and that you either eat back exercise or calculate TDEE with your actual activity level included. (I'll note that sites that use the TDEE calculator will usually recommend a percentage of calories to cut, no more than 20%, which at 1720 would be around 340, so well above 1200).
But your choice, obviously -- I just don't think your stats suggest the average person, even the average person seeking to lose vanity lbs, should be eating 1200. I'm only 5'3 and older than you, and am in the same situation, and lose weight on more calories than that, because I am active.
(I'm not anti 1200, I think it can be the right choice for people who aren't yet active and shorter/older people with lots to lose -- I started at 1200 + exercise and haven't regretted it.)
I am sedentary, yes. I actually drive to work, sit at my desk all day long, not even getting up ever hour or 2 as I should. At least I drink water. I don't know when 8 hours have passed. 🙁. And I don't walk either, I drive pretty much everywhere, logistically I cannot walk to get the kids, take them to activities and so on.
I bicycle with my husband and kids for many hours during the weekends but only when the weather is nice and now it's not the case.
I also use my indoor bike but I only add about 150-200 calories max.
When and if I will go to a gym and start working out regularly I will change the sedentary....right now my phone indicates soooo few steps, not even want to look at it.
Drink more water and you will have to get up more often
Also, there are myriads threads here for how people with desk jobs can increase their activity during work hours.2
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