Low carb Vs keto
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janejellyroll wrote: »I agree that bringing up the blue zones to compare to the Magic Pill was not needed. The Magic Pill is a show on reducing carbs to treat health issues like IR, autism, obesity and such, whereas the blue zones have multiple lifestyle factors that affect a person's longevity, not to mention the fact that those in the blue zones tend to have lower rates of the health issues being treated in the show.
One is preventative life style, area, genetics and other factors (often including a diet high in unrefined and minimally processed, whole food carbs) whereas the show is just about treating a handful of lifestyle based health issues with a diet lower in carbs (mainly refined and processed).
Blue zones would be relevant to bring up when Magic Pill is mentioned as a motivator to look into low carb for improved health only if the blue zones have been shown to help treat those health issues too. Two different topics. Like comparing apples and... Steak. Jmo.
Faulting the blue zone lifestyles for not producing evidence that it will treat certain lifestyle-induced health issues because the lifestyle creates fewer lifestyle-induced health issues . . . I think I need to log off now.
Faulting the blue zones? Where? I said it is preventative in terms of some of the health issues being treated in the show.
I was just pointing out that the show and the blue zones show two very different things and and one is not on topic. We could also bring up exercise being good for longevity or not smoking reducing cancer risk but those topics also have nothing to do with lowering carbs to achieve a health improvement.3 -
The point is that the people in the blue zones don't have health issues needing "improvement" because the diseases of obesity aren't present since the lifestyle and diet doesn't lend itself to obesity.
Any diet with which a person can comply which corrects obesity will correct or manage the diseases of obesity.
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The exact macro mix a person needs, and in the case here it seems the OP is looking towards keto vs. low carb, would be a matter of personal preference.
I agree with the previous suggestions for her to just start lowering her carb levels, keeping her protein around .8 grams per pound of her ideal body weight and limiting starch, keeping her calories in check, and seeing where she feels comfortable with a diet that feels sustainable.10 -
I count net carbs. (It's never thrown me out of ketosis.) The brand of raw fresh spinach I use has 1.8g per 100g.janejellyroll wrote: »Spinach is one of the lowest carbohydrate vegetables and 100 grams has 3.8 grams of carbohydrates. So eating 600 grams would be over 20 grams of carbohydrates. What vegetables are you eating 600 grams of while being "well under" 20 grams of carbohydrates?
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janejellyroll wrote: »I agree that bringing up the blue zones to compare to the Magic Pill was not needed. The Magic Pill is a show on reducing carbs to treat health issues like IR, autism, obesity and such, whereas the blue zones have multiple lifestyle factors that affect a person's longevity, not to mention the fact that those in the blue zones tend to have lower rates of the health issues being treated in the show.
One is preventative life style, area, genetics and other factors (often including a diet high in unrefined and minimally processed, whole food carbs) whereas the show is just about treating a handful of lifestyle based health issues with a diet lower in carbs (mainly refined and processed).
Blue zones would be relevant to bring up when Magic Pill is mentioned as a motivator to look into low carb for improved health only if the blue zones have been shown to help treat those health issues too. Two different topics. Like comparing apples and... Steak. Jmo.
Faulting the blue zone lifestyles for not producing evidence that it will treat certain lifestyle-induced health issues because the lifestyle creates fewer lifestyle-induced health issues . . . I think I need to log off now.
Faulting the blue zones? Where? I said it is preventative in terms of some of the health issues being treated in the show.
I was just pointing out that the show and the blue zones show two very different things and and one is not on topic. We could also bring up exercise being good for longevity or not smoking reducing cancer risk but those topics also have nothing to do with lowering carbs to achieve a health improvement.
I think what would be nice is to understand what the OPs health concerns are and what is her current plan, both diet and exercise. While diet can have an effect on health, exercise does too... The combination will often provide much more of an impact as compared to diet alone.7 -
ChubbyRose84 wrote: »I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health.
I'm not sure I can do keto, but I do like some of the recipes
Just not enough veggies for me.
@ChubbyRose84 I found there is no answer to your question.
In the end I decide to go for annually improving health markers. Why not get a good baseline exam and lab work then pick your Way Of Eating and get started. If you your health markers are getting worse year after year find a new WOE. If it is working so so then try tweaking it. That has been working out for me for the past 4 years with better health markers than in decades.
There are no magical WOE's out there that works for everyone. Work to find one that works out in your case and work to learn why and do more of the same as long as it is working well for you is my thought.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I agree that bringing up the blue zones to compare to the Magic Pill was not needed. The Magic Pill is a show on reducing carbs to treat health issues like IR, autism, obesity and such, whereas the blue zones have multiple lifestyle factors that affect a person's longevity, not to mention the fact that those in the blue zones tend to have lower rates of the health issues being treated in the show.
One is preventative life style, area, genetics and other factors (often including a diet high in unrefined and minimally processed, whole food carbs) whereas the show is just about treating a handful of lifestyle based health issues with a diet lower in carbs (mainly refined and processed).
Blue zones would be relevant to bring up when Magic Pill is mentioned as a motivator to look into low carb for improved health only if the blue zones have been shown to help treat those health issues too. Two different topics. Like comparing apples and... Steak. Jmo.
Faulting the blue zone lifestyles for not producing evidence that it will treat certain lifestyle-induced health issues because the lifestyle creates fewer lifestyle-induced health issues . . . I think I need to log off now.
Faulting the blue zones? Where? I said it is preventative in terms of some of the health issues being treated in the show.
I was just pointing out that the show and the blue zones show two very different things and and one is not on topic. We could also bring up exercise being good for longevity or not smoking reducing cancer risk but those topics also have nothing to do with lowering carbs to achieve a health improvement.
I think what would be nice is to understand what the OPs health concerns are and what is her current plan, both diet and exercise. While diet can have an effect on health, exercise does too... The combination will often provide much more of an impact as compared to diet alone.
True. Details do help.0 -
This topic (or maybe it’s just any topic on the internet
)continues to be very polarizing . People get grumpy with each over it. The fact is no one way of eating is helpful to everyone because everyone is so different. I think most people get that people have different responses to what they intake than others ... just common sense.
I sure wish folks would just respect each other and their views.
Everyone is on their own journey and no one on here is an expert on everyone else’s health.3 -
I do a combination of keto and low carb..just depends on how I feel. I find for me my body responds better when I switch back and forth.1
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dulcitonia wrote: »This topic (or maybe it’s just any topic on the internet )continues to be very polarizing . People get grumpy with each over it. The fact is no one way of eating is helpful to everyone because everyone is so different. I think most people get that people have different responses to what they intake than others ... just common sense.
I sure wish folks would just respect each other and their views.
Everyone is on their own journey and no one on here is an expert on everyone else’s health.
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janejellyroll wrote: »I agree that bringing up the blue zones to compare to the Magic Pill was not needed. The Magic Pill is a show on reducing carbs to treat health issues like IR, autism, obesity and such, whereas the blue zones have multiple lifestyle factors that affect a person's longevity, not to mention the fact that those in the blue zones tend to have lower rates of the health issues being treated in the show.
One is preventative life style, area, genetics and other factors (often including a diet high in unrefined and minimally processed, whole food carbs) whereas the show is just about treating a handful of lifestyle based health issues with a diet lower in carbs (mainly refined and processed).
Blue zones would be relevant to bring up when Magic Pill is mentioned as a motivator to look into low carb for improved health only if the blue zones have been shown to help treat those health issues too. Two different topics. Like comparing apples and... Steak. Jmo.
Faulting the blue zone lifestyles for not producing evidence that it will treat certain lifestyle-induced health issues because the lifestyle creates fewer lifestyle-induced health issues . . . I think I need to log off now.
Faulting the blue zones? Where? I said it is preventative in terms of some of the health issues being treated in the show.
I was just pointing out that the show and the blue zones show two very different things and and one is not on topic. We could also bring up exercise being good for longevity or not smoking reducing cancer risk but those topics also have nothing to do with lowering carbs to achieve a health improvement.
OP's interest is in eating for health. The very point is that a low carbohydrate diet doesn't have exclusive claims to being a diet that promotes good health.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I agree that bringing up the blue zones to compare to the Magic Pill was not needed. The Magic Pill is a show on reducing carbs to treat health issues like IR, autism, obesity and such, whereas the blue zones have multiple lifestyle factors that affect a person's longevity, not to mention the fact that those in the blue zones tend to have lower rates of the health issues being treated in the show.
One is preventative life style, area, genetics and other factors (often including a diet high in unrefined and minimally processed, whole food carbs) whereas the show is just about treating a handful of lifestyle based health issues with a diet lower in carbs (mainly refined and processed).
Blue zones would be relevant to bring up when Magic Pill is mentioned as a motivator to look into low carb for improved health only if the blue zones have been shown to help treat those health issues too. Two different topics. Like comparing apples and... Steak. Jmo.
Faulting the blue zone lifestyles for not producing evidence that it will treat certain lifestyle-induced health issues because the lifestyle creates fewer lifestyle-induced health issues . . . I think I need to log off now.
Faulting the blue zones? Where? I said it is preventative in terms of some of the health issues being treated in the show.
I was just pointing out that the show and the blue zones show two very different things and and one is not on topic. We could also bring up exercise being good for longevity or not smoking reducing cancer risk but those topics also have nothing to do with lowering carbs to achieve a health improvement.
OP's interest is in eating for health. The very point is that a low carbohydrate diet doesn't have exclusive claims to being a diet that promotes good health.
The OP asked "I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health." So that is the topic. Taking the word health to extrapolate it relating to blue zones is a stretch. IMO
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After so many years trying all kinds of BS diets, I am back to the basics that made me lose 20 KG in 8 month, Calories In minus Calories Out, and as usual, it works!5
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I agree that bringing up the blue zones to compare to the Magic Pill was not needed. The Magic Pill is a show on reducing carbs to treat health issues like IR, autism, obesity and such, whereas the blue zones have multiple lifestyle factors that affect a person's longevity, not to mention the fact that those in the blue zones tend to have lower rates of the health issues being treated in the show.
One is preventative life style, area, genetics and other factors (often including a diet high in unrefined and minimally processed, whole food carbs) whereas the show is just about treating a handful of lifestyle based health issues with a diet lower in carbs (mainly refined and processed).
Blue zones would be relevant to bring up when Magic Pill is mentioned as a motivator to look into low carb for improved health only if the blue zones have been shown to help treat those health issues too. Two different topics. Like comparing apples and... Steak. Jmo.
Faulting the blue zone lifestyles for not producing evidence that it will treat certain lifestyle-induced health issues because the lifestyle creates fewer lifestyle-induced health issues . . . I think I need to log off now.
Faulting the blue zones? Where? I said it is preventative in terms of some of the health issues being treated in the show.
I was just pointing out that the show and the blue zones show two very different things and and one is not on topic. We could also bring up exercise being good for longevity or not smoking reducing cancer risk but those topics also have nothing to do with lowering carbs to achieve a health improvement.
OP's interest is in eating for health. The very point is that a low carbohydrate diet doesn't have exclusive claims to being a diet that promotes good health.
The OP asked "I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health." So that is the topic. Taking the word health to extrapolate it relating to blue zones is a stretch. IMO
When someone says they want to eat in a way that promotes their health, I don't think bringing up the diet patterns of the areas on earth where it is actually documented that people live longer and healthier lives is off topic.
It's directly related to OP's stated concerns.9 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
What’s the “carb food industry”? Carbohydrates are one of three major macronutrients and are present in Whole Foods like fruits, vegetables, grains, dairy, as well as many commercially prepared foods. It’s such a diverse group of foods I’m struggling to understand who the one agency who is profiting by keeping us all addicted. Is it Big Broccoli that is secretly behind all this?Larkspur94 wrote: »What do you mean about "for your health"? Unless you have been recommended a diet like that for a specific reason by a doctor, there is nothing healthy about eating less carbs. Carbs have gotten a reputation as unhealthy because companies make billions of dollars a year selling low carb solutions to things, so they've needed to make carbs out to be the bad guy. But there's no evidence at all backing that up.
@MikePTY
There's actually scientific study that proves carbs are bad for you. Unlike the 'fat is bad for you' hypothesis which has yet to proven, despite the billions of dollars spent on many many studies.
Studies on the carbs have to be self funded as the government won't fund them (Make too much money on the carb food industry and medicine to help with illness caused by carbs, to let it be known). Look them up. The documentary 'The Magic Pill' has a section that briefs it down for you. You can watch on Netflix. Low carb/keto prevents heart disease, diabetes, obesity, alzheimer's, improves autism, cures asthma and early cancer, increases life on late cancer, etc...
Big potato and big legume too...and let's not forget about big oat and big fruit...
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tarekhamouda7445 wrote: »After so many years trying all kinds of BS diets, I am back to the basics that made me lose 20 KG in 8 month, Calories In minus Calories Out, and as usual, it works!
Nothing wrong with that.0 -
ChubbyRose84 wrote: »I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health.
I'm not sure I can do keto, but I do like some of the recipes
Just not enough veggies for me.
I can and have done lower carb...but I could never do keto. While I do eat meat, my diet is heavily plant based and things like beans, lentils, oats, potatoes and other tubers, veggies, and fruit are staples in my diet.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ChubbyRose84 wrote: »I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health.
I'm not sure I can do keto, but I do like some of the recipes
Just not enough veggies for me.
I can and have done lower carb...but I could never do keto. While I do eat meat, my diet is heavily plant based and things like beans, lentils, oats, potatoes and other tubers, veggies, and fruit are staples in my diet.
I can eat veggies daily but I must admit I do miss the potatoes, tubers and fruit. The bread not as much as I thought I would.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ChubbyRose84 wrote: »I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health.
I'm not sure I can do keto, but I do like some of the recipes
Just not enough veggies for me.
I can and have done lower carb...but I could never do keto. While I do eat meat, my diet is heavily plant based and things like beans, lentils, oats, potatoes and other tubers, veggies, and fruit are staples in my diet.
That's how I feel. I tried keto for a while and missed fruit and felt like I was too dependent on meat for protein (and also I was always hitting about 35 net carbs with my carbs mostly from veg plus some nuts). I like eating lower carb, however.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ChubbyRose84 wrote: »I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health.
I'm not sure I can do keto, but I do like some of the recipes
Just not enough veggies for me.
I can and have done lower carb...but I could never do keto. While I do eat meat, my diet is heavily plant based and things like beans, lentils, oats, potatoes and other tubers, veggies, and fruit are staples in my diet.
I can eat veggies daily but I must admit I do miss the potatoes, tubers and fruit. The bread not as much as I thought I would.
My biggest complaint about keto, which i did cycle with, was the lack of veggies and fruits. Both of which have been demonstrated to be extremely supportive for overall health markers.
There is also substantial more evidence in favor of more plant based diets over meat based.
Still there are many variables to consider, like if the OP has specific health concerns.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ChubbyRose84 wrote: »I'm debating whether or not to do low carb, Vs keto for my health.
I'm not sure I can do keto, but I do like some of the recipes
Just not enough veggies for me.
I can and have done lower carb...but I could never do keto. While I do eat meat, my diet is heavily plant based and things like beans, lentils, oats, potatoes and other tubers, veggies, and fruit are staples in my diet.
That's how I feel. I tried keto for a while and missed fruit and felt like I was too dependent on meat for protein (and also I was always hitting about 35 net carbs with my carbs mostly from veg plus some nuts). I like eating lower carb, however.
Out of curiosity some time ago I calculated what I would need on keto with my weight loss calorie target... @ 70F/20P/10C my fat intake would be around 195 grams @ 2500 calories per day. Even at a lower target of 2,000 calories per day, it would have been around 155.5 grams...I personally can't imagine eating that much dietary fat.
I'm also just not convinced that there aren't health repercussions down the road with keto...I'm not aware of any long term studies on keto and human health...I am aware of many long term studies on eating a diet rich in plants.4
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