Advice for me re: teenage daughter

balancebean
balancebean Posts: 96 Member
edited October 1 in Health and Weight Loss
I have a daughter who is 5'0" and 175 lbs. She is a compulsive overeater (sneaks, binges, seeks high sugar-high carb foods) and she is sedentary; a bad combination.

Last summer (2010) I sent her to weight loss camp for a month (with her consent). She dropped 10 lbs., became more fit, and could recite all the do's and dont's of weight loss.

Since she came back, food sneaking has worsened. She has gained about 15 lbs. in the past year. Everytime she goes out with friends, she eats; when she's left alone she eats. She eats no fruits or vegetables. I know this is very unhealthy. I've taken her to doctors, counselors, etc. How can I will her to get on a healthy path?

Did I mention she wants to be the next cake boss? Even though I don't stock snacks in the house, she'll bake them while I'm at work.
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  • claire_xox
    claire_xox Posts: 282 Member
    I think weight loss is in a way on par with weight gain for severely underweight people. You can't make someone to get help until they want it for themselves. by all means encourage her and don't support an unhealthy lifestyle but you can't really do much until she wants it. Her age is a big factor too, is she young teenage or older? Older really limits the influence you have on her.
    Make sure meals she does eat at home are really health? :)
    good luck
  • helloburger
    helloburger Posts: 243 Member
    Perhaps it is the whole *teenager* phase, where you are trying to get her to do one thing, and she is doing the opposite instead. if she's eating constantly it maybe due to boredom or comfort eating. Do you sit down to have meals together? lunch? dinner? etc
  • Scoochie1
    Scoochie1 Posts: 121 Member
    I'd love nothing better than to eat cake all day too but you have to try to control yourself.
    All I can suggest (from the many TV programmes on the topic) is that anyone who eats that was is very unhappy about another area of their life and using food for comfort. And the teen years are pretty horrific.
    Could be worse, she could be turning to drink or drugs - so of all the evils this is probably the best one. Clearly - I don't know your daughter so my guess could be miles off.
  • balancebean
    balancebean Posts: 96 Member
    Thanks Claire. It is so hard to sit back and feel so helpless. BTW, she is 16
  • Jessamin
    Jessamin Posts: 338 Member
    As someone who was recently an obese teenager, I would advise that you are pretty much doing all you should sensibly do. Steer her in the right path, don't stock unhealthy food. She will have to realise for herself that being unhealthy is not fun, as we have all had to. You can't force/coerce someone to change, it will be very temporary. Try and get her to exercise with you, cook healthy food with you, etc. Other than that, keep on truckin'.
  • balancebean
    balancebean Posts: 96 Member
    I'd love nothing better than to eat cake all day too but you have to try to control yourself.
    All I can suggest (from the many TV programmes on the topic) is that anyone who eats that was is very unhappy about another area of their life and using food for comfort. And the teen years are pretty horrific.
    Could be worse, she could be turning to drink or drugs - so of all the evils this is probably the best one. Clearly - I don't know your daughter so my guess could be miles off.

    No, you're pretty on target. She struggles in school which makes her unhappy. She's unhappy with her weight, so she comforts by eating. You are right, thank God no drinking or drugs. She has a few good friends that are good kids. I thought part of this could be rebellious, so I've backed off.
  • mrsgrumpypants
    mrsgrumpypants Posts: 19 Member
    This does sound like comfort eating, and perhaps the ideal way to tackle it would be to find out why she is seeking comfort or consolation - some sort of stress or unhappiness? It's such a difficult age and my children certainly never told me much then. If she wants to be a baker, maybe some formal chef training would give her a healthier view of food.
  • yaddayaddayadda
    yaddayaddayadda Posts: 430 Member
    I have a 20 year old daughter... we've been through some tough times too -- not with weight, but with school grades. I'm a teacher, and sometimes a control freak. Since grades were important to me, that was the battle ground. I have had to step back and hold my tounge with her. Since I have done so, her grades have improved and she is doing well in college -- this was not the case during her final years of high school when I was focused on her grades.

    How old is your daughter... if she is in her late teens or older, my suggestion is for you to stop owning her weight. Do not bring up the topic of weight with her. Whenever she brings it up, communicate to her that she is responsible for her weight, and that you have faith in her abilities to choose what to eat. Have healthy choices around for her and model appropriate eating and exercise behaviors.

    I spent lots of money on therapy to learn that when we mothers let go and hand over the responsibility to our older children, things tend to work out. Its a lot less stressful for us when we no longer battle for control... plus our children become more capable and confident...

    Good Luck! The mother-daughter thing is really challenging:-)
  • psb13
    psb13 Posts: 629
    i have a 17 year old daughter. it's taken me awhile to realize that even though we had been very close, and still are in some regards, she is struggling to pull away and find who she is on her own-without any influence from me. it's very hard to stand by and watch her make mistakes that i could help her to avoid, but as long as she is not a danger to herself or others, i let her. i realize that what your daughter is doing could be endangering her health-my daughter has also made choices that aren't in her best interest (she has issues with depression), but i can only do so much to help her. you didn't mention how old of a teen your daughter is, but at some point they all go through the time of doing exactly the opposite of what we say, just "because". all that being said, i think that counseling sounds like it might be the best for her at this point. my daughter has gained some weight related to medications. i know that has been hard for her as she watches (and comments on) my weight loss. could this also be a factor as you lose weight? teens listen to everyone EXCEPT their parents. that's why i think counseling could be helpful-someone who isn't a parent helping her to make better choices. best of luck to both of you. feel free to friend request if you'd like another mom of a teen on your friend list.
  • balancebean
    balancebean Posts: 96 Member
    Thanks everyone. You guys ROCK! You've just reminded me; Let go and let God. I'll keep modeling appropriate behavior, offer support, and ask for a little Divine intervention.
  • dmpizza
    dmpizza Posts: 3,321 Member
    My son is similar. He went to an academic camp and must have gained 20 pounnds in 3 weeks from overeating at dinner.
    He has "emotional difficulties" so making him correct his behavior is very difficult.
    We tend to just not keep snack food in the house because of him, but what he will do is take 6 slices of untoasted white bread and eat that. UGGHH
  • jcannon15
    jcannon15 Posts: 148
    I was that girl as a teen, my mom pushed and pushed back even harder. It wasnt until she left me alone and i wanted for myself that i became serious and lost weight. I was super resentful when she'd lecture and push and unfortunately the only way to cope was sneaking food because i was critiized when i snacked in front of her.
  • joehempel
    joehempel Posts: 1,543 Member
    I know that you can't control what she does outside of the house, but have you tried removing EVERYTHING that's like that in your house?

    Idea being if it's not in the house than she can't eat it. So you at least have some control over what's going on.
  • balancebean
    balancebean Posts: 96 Member
    @joe, Yes, I no longer buy any snacks, certain cereals, peanut butter, crackers. Unfortunately, she binges on milk, light yogurt, skinny cow ice cream, and bread. She will bake cookies and banana bread from scratch when I'm not home. Other than locking the fridge and cupboards...
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    Have you tried taking her to a psychologist that specializes in this type of disorder? Compulsive eating is considered an eating disorder, just like anorexia/bulima are.

    Honestly, you mention locking the fridge and cupboards.. and that may not be a bad idea until you can figure out why she is doing this and how to help her.
  • cedarhurst2006
    cedarhurst2006 Posts: 378 Member
    My daughter is 15 and I think what helped her is that we do it together. We eat keep a food diary and we joined the gym together and we go almost every day. Once we walk into the gym, we kind of head to different machines but at the end we always say, So how did you do today? I'm going to paste two posts I've made that may be helpful for you.............

    1, Buy some cheap, colored bangle bracelets. I have black, gold and silver. In the morning, I put 5 (you can determine how many), of each color on my right wrist. Black is for water, gold is for fruit and silver is for veggies. As I have a serving of each, I move the appropriate bangle from my right wrist to my left. The bracelets are cool and she can keep track of healthy eating without anyone knowing. It may be a good start for her and keep her focused.

    2. Once my daughter had some NSVs, she would write them on a post-it sticky and put them on the wall in her room. So, when she tried on a pair of pants and needed a belt- STICKY NOTE. When she saw in the mirror that she could see some muscle tone in her arm - STICKY NOTE. When she felt more confident in a bathing suite - STICKY NOTE. When someone noticed - STICKY NOTE> All positive things, each one important but when she sees all of them on the wall, she knows her hard work pays off.

    3. Our gym offers a complimentary visit with a personal trainer. Have someone else meet with her other than you.

    4. Our family is a family of bakers (pastry, specifically). Try the books, eat this not that. cook this not that. They just talk about eating all kinds of foods but thinking first and why choosing one over the other could make a difference in a positive way.

    I hope some of these are helpful.
  • kr3851
    kr3851 Posts: 994 Member
    I was the obese teenager. I was also the morbidly obese young woman.

    Now I'm the obese 20-something who's looking forward to being overweight, and dreaming of being healthy.

    Even though i was unhappy being the weight I was in my teen/young adult years, it never really clicked to lose until now. Sure, my mum (who is also overweight, both my parents are) encouraged me to eat a bit better, join the gym - gently guided me when she got some motivation together herself. We joined a gym together and both worked to lose some weight together.

    But it just wasn't right in my head. I didn't WANT it like I want it now. It was just a simmering feeling. Now it's burning - I couldn't stop it if I tried.

    She'll do it when she's ready.
  • yaddayaddayadda
    yaddayaddayadda Posts: 430 Member
    She will bake cookies and banana bread from scratch when I'm not home. Other than locking the fridge and cupboards...

    Don't lock anything... when she bakes, take a small portion for yourself, and tell her how delicious it is. DONT nag or give "the mother talk."

    You can't MAKE her... that's what this is all about. Once she knows you aren't trying to make her, she will be responsibile for own weight.
  • cedarhurst2006
    cedarhurst2006 Posts: 378 Member
    Another thought to add to my previous post:

    **Have her make the recipes posted on this forum. Encourage her love for cooking/baking and see if she will see the benefits.
  • balancebean
    balancebean Posts: 96 Member
    To All: She's been to doctors and is being treated for depression. I don't lock the fridge and cupboards (just joking about that). We have a catalog of low fat recipes from her weight loss camp. I've told her about this website and how much I like it (secretly hoping she'd check it out). I invite her to exercise with me (without forcing the issue). I don't eat what she bakes because 1) I can't afford that added calories and 2) I feel like it's condoning the behavior.
  • Lozze
    Lozze Posts: 1,917 Member
    BalanceBeam, as someone whose mother 'tried to help me eat healthy' from 11 years old there's not much you can do. Give her the support she needs with the depression and healthy food in the house. But the reality?

    You can't change her habits. In fact you could be inadvertently making them worse.

    I am SO screwed up from years of being asked 'should you eat that? Lauren you're getting bigger' I was 5'6 and 70kg at 12. I was healthy. After sixteen years of the BS I'm now 130kg. As you can tell it worked WONDERFULLY having my mother 'help' me.

    Leave her be. I struggle with a lot of resentment towards my mother, because no matter what she refuses to admit that she didn't handle it very well. I love my mum to death, but she drives me up the wall as she will not realise that doing the same thing she's done for sixteen years will not magically start working today.
  • ndswimchick22
    ndswimchick22 Posts: 58 Member
    I would say, don't buy the junk food for her to eat in the house. Change your whole families lifestyles by bringing in different healthy foods and snacks that the whole family can enjoy and try together.

    Invite a night once a week where you and her get together and try to make a healthy dinner for your family, or for her friends.

    I would also encourage her to bake, but challenge her to make healthy snacks and desserts, that you can eat as well. Since I started my healthy lifestyle, I decided that I still need to bake, but I challenge myself to make crazy healthy and low-fat deserts that my friends and family will eat.

    Hope this helps.
  • ncwingnut71
    ncwingnut71 Posts: 292 Member
    My daughter is 18 and she is very overweight (283lbs). We have had the mother/daughter battle going on for the past 2 years, but about 4 months ago, we finally hashed it out and have come to an agreement.

    She actually approached ME about joining a gym and working on weight. We joined last month. While she is still trying to figure out in her own way her eating (she does not eat a lot and I think that is part of her problem....over 80% of obese people are actually malnurished and their bodies hang on to fat), and working out, she is going the right direction. And it was at HER timing. I just moved her into her dorm at college this past Friday. I work less than 10 minutes from her college and we plan on still meeting at the gym in the evenings and she has a trainer she is going to work with. I can also go to the fitness center at the school with her for free.

    I never keep pop or junk food in the house. I would rather spend my money on fruit and such. She would go and buy it herself - since she was working, I couldn't stop her. But she finally realized that that is not who she wants to be anymore.

    She'll figure it out and so will you :)
  • BalanceBeam, as someone whose mother 'tried to help me eat healthy' from 11 years old there's not much you can do. Give her the support she needs with the depression and healthy food in the house. But the reality?

    You can't change her habits. In fact you could be inadvertently making them worse.

    I am SO screwed up from years of being asked 'should you eat that? Lauren you're getting bigger' I was 5'6 and 70kg at 12. I was healthy. After sixteen years of the BS I'm now 130kg. As you can tell it worked WONDERFULLY having my mother 'help' me.

    Leave her be. I struggle with a lot of resentment towards my mother, because no matter what she refuses to admit that she didn't handle it very well. I love my mum to death, but she drives me up the wall as she will not realise that doing the same thing she's done for sixteen years will not magically start working today.

    ^^^^^THIS^^^^^

    I feel like this poster was writing my story.

    I know that you (the OP) have stated that you have taken your daughter to doctors and counselors, but have you taken your daughter to a cognitive behavioral therapist that specializes in eating disorders? I found this type of therapy very helpful in my weight loss journey as I struggled through my 30's.

    I say back off. Tell her that you care about her weight, and will help her in any way she asks you to, but tell her that she now owns it. It is her life and it is up to her. As hard as that will be for you, it will probably decrease any resentment she has for you (and as someone who has/is walking that road, she has resentment, although it may be lurking in her sub-conscious at this point) and may spur her to make positive choices related to her weight and health.
  • balancebean
    balancebean Posts: 96 Member
    @ beachbum; I've taken her to an MD who specializes in eating disorders, but not a cognitive behavioral therapist . I think I am going to wait until she asks for help, but let her know I'm here at any time.
  • petey247
    petey247 Posts: 9 Member
    My family and I are all taking a weight loss / healthier lifestyle journey together. And throughout this journey, we've had to make many adjustments to the way that we used to view food - particularly desserts.

    I can empathize with your daughter. I have always run to food for comfort; and because that's been my MO since adolescence, I've become quite a good baker. Weight loss is not about denial, it's about moderation. I HAD to find a way to keep some of my treats in the menu, so as part of a science experiment with my daughters, I've begun accurately calculating total calorie content of all baked goods, and as an extension, calories per serving.

    Amazed and sometimes disgusted from where the bulk of the calories come, we've started on a mission to change all of our 'tried and true' recipes to make them less calorie dense while still maintaining the flavor we love. We've taken trips to the store together to look for new and interesting ingredient options. We've substituted homemade applesauce for oil. We've started growing and using Stevia in baked goods. We've started making our own jams and jellies for pastry fillings. We've even started adding beans to brownie batter to reduce the amount of flour used.

    Because we are over complicating things and making some ingredient components ourselves, not every treat is finished and consumed at the end of a baking session. The end product can sometimes be delayed for days, so the lower calorie treats don't have to be added to the food diary till later - keeping our weight loss on track. Some don't turn out so great, but when they do, the excitement and pride we feel overpowers any sadness that drove us to the kitchen to begin with.

    This new way of baking has made me feel creative and proud of what I am serving my family. I feel satiated by still being able to eat a fresh baked cookie, and I feel better about myself because I am still making a effort to better myself.

    Maybe the answer isn't restricting your daughter's baking. Maybe the answer is to challenge her creativity. See if she can make a cake for under 200 calories a slice that actually tastes good, or a semi-guiltless cookie. If she gets good enough, publish the recipes or open your own Skinny Bakery and retire.
  • Forensic
    Forensic Posts: 468 Member
    Personally, my only advice is to back off. Seriously. To a 16 year old girl, having a mother that's harping on her weight and sending her to weight loss campus will only destroy her self-esteem even further than it probably already is. School is a very cruel place. If there's something to mock a person for, they're being mocked for it. Too short? Too fat? Not the right clothes, too tall, too smart? They're all getting guff for it. Hopefully home could be a place where they can be supported. Hell I know that even with parents that rarely mentioned my weight to me, school was plenty to have me brand myself as fat, worthless, and never going to amount to anything.
  • christine24t
    christine24t Posts: 6,063 Member
    I disagree with some of the posts above about letting it go and not helping her. You would never turn your back on your child if they had anorexia or bulimia, so why would you turn your back on your child who is suffering from an overeating disorder??

    Sometimes, people do certain behaviors as a cry for help. If she was truly embarrassed about her behavior, she would try to hide it. However, since she is dangling the evidence in front of you, I think she is asking for your help without saying those words. Think about it this way. Oftentimes, we are scared to say what we want. Let's say you're sitting at home with your family, and you really want Chinese food for dinner. Some people can just come right out and say, "Hey, I really want Chinese tonight." And some people can't. They might start by talking about how hungry they are, and wait for someone to validate that yes, they are hungry too. Then you start thinking of places to eat by your house, and then Chinese food finally comes up. That's a pretty bad example, but my point is that it is awfully hard to come out and say what you want.

    Help her now while she is still underage. It's much harder to help your child after they turn 18.
  • msiamjan
    msiamjan Posts: 326 Member
    Do not bring up the topic of weight with her. Whenever she brings it up, communicate to her that she is responsible for her weight, and that you have faith in her abilities to choose what to eat. Have healthy choices around for her and model appropriate eating and exercise behaviors.


    Good Luck! The mother-daughter thing is really challenging:-)

    I too would recommend backing off a bit. You pushing will more likely simply make her feel worse about herself, which in the long run won't be productive. My Mom hassled me about my weight and put me on various diets and mostly what that accomplished was pretty well messing up my metabolism and promoting self loathing and making my weight make me feel unworthy. Better that she know how very much you love her, no matter what she weighs, and how much you value her strengths, rather than focusing on her area of weakness. IMHO.
  • My mother was the same way with both my sister and myself, and I can understand your concern completely. You do want her to be healthy and feel good about herself and motivate her to make good choices. Unfortunately sometimes it doesn't work with everyone. My sister continues to put weight on from eating out often, never hitting the gym etc. and wonders how it happens.

    I knew when i was a teen I wasn't happy with the way my body appeared and by my mothers comments I knew she felt the same way and it would make me feel worse about myself. But I was unwilling to make the changes at that point. I think the important thing here is **DON'T LET THIS BE THE ONLY THING YOU TALK ABOUT WITH HER** (not that you do) but my mother became obsessive over it and the more she said the less I heard anything she mentioned. When she only talked about this I felt even worse and never thought i would be good enough for her (ie: I thought she would always find something wrong with me or something i could improve instead of loving me for just being her daughter)

    I'm sure she is aware of her weight if she was willing to go through certain measures that you recommended, It's the follow through she has problems with in the long term, which is a battle of her own personality finding that discipline and balance. Even if she loses weight now when she moves to college or moves out on her own without monitoring and being reminded she will pick the weight back up. I would talk to someone (maybe a counselor) about ways to help your daughter to delay impulse gratification (I want brownies therefore I will make them now and eat 1/2 a pan because they taste soooo good). Removing brownies from the home she will find them elsewhere unless she has the skills to think "1 is enough".

    I hope what i said wasn't offensive, as it wasn't meant to be. I know you are honestly concerned as you should be.
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