Cheatin on Intermittent Fasting???
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quiksylver296 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Sorry guys what I meant to say was this was my second Time doing IF. I was told IF trains your body to burn the fat you have instead of other fuel. Basically I'm just letting my body burn fat and that is how I train my body. I thought eating outside my window messed it up.
No, it doesn't.
Why is this your second time doing it? Didn't it work the first time?
I know where you're going with this, but I lost weight in all of the "correct" ways for this forum and I still gained it back eventually. It happens. And there's no need to jump on someone for failing to lose or maintain when they're clearly trying to find their way back.
I wasn't "jumping on" anyone. I was hoping that maybe a lightbulb would go off, if IF wasn't working for him.
I never said IF wasnt working for me. I said that I accidentally ate something OUTSIDE of my window and I came here for help. Meaning I came here for COMMUNITY advice meaning a place where we build each other up, not tear each other down.6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Sorry guys what I meant to say was this was my second Time doing IF. I was told IF trains your body to burn the fat you have instead of other fuel. Basically I'm just letting my body burn fat and that is how I train my body. I thought eating outside my window messed it up.
No, it doesn't.
Why is this your second time doing it? Didn't it work the first time?
I know where you're going with this, but I lost weight in all of the "correct" ways for this forum and I still gained it back eventually. It happens. And there's no need to jump on someone for failing to lose or maintain when they're clearly trying to find their way back.
I wasn't "jumping on" anyone. I was hoping that maybe a lightbulb would go off, if IF wasn't working for him.
I never said IF wasnt working for me. I said that I accidentally ate something OUTSIDE of my window and I came here for help. Meaning I came here for COMMUNITY advice meaning a place where we build each other up, not tear each other down.
If you are on facebook, there are a lot of good IF groups as well to join.
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That is what I did...I eased into it, I started with a 13:10 then did an 16:8 now I tend to do more of an 18:6 most days. The thing is though I still feel hungry leading up to my feeding window I just ignore, push thru it, etc. I tell myself that I will not die if I wait to eat and that usually calms my mind.
Same! I eat from 1pm-8/9pm (depending on when I get home to cook dinner) and you bet I tend to feel pretty hungry from about 11am-ish. But like.. eh, I just make sure I'm busy for those hours and it's only a short while really, in the scheme of the whole day.
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But seriously, OP: nobody here is knocking IF! Strategies like that work really well for some of us and I think everyone would agree that if that's the trick that helps you stay at a deficit and eat well in the long run- awesome.
What people are frustrated by isn't you, really. It's the whole magical thinking that people keep selling that gives the idea that a bite of food outside a time window is gonna plonk a pile of pounds on ya. Which is the idea that had you worried and coming here in the first place.
IF isn't magic for losing weight or burning fat. It's a trick- and sometimes a really good one- for getting the few pounds of grey goo in your head to be okay with consuming less calories.8 -
As for yo-yo dieting: I think the big culprit there is catastrophic thinking. What one person thinks as "ruining all their good work", another would think of as "oh, I put on a few pounds- but hey, after the last time now I know exactly how to lose them, and I'll work harder on maintenance next time".
Life happens. Unhealthy habits are easy to fall into. It's okay to fall down a bunch and have to get back up again.11 -
AoifeFitzy wrote: »As for yo-yo dieting: I think the big culprit there is catastrophic thinking. What one person thinks as "ruining all their good work", another would think of as "oh, I put on a few pounds- but hey, after the last time now I know exactly how to lose them, and I'll work harder on maintenance next time".
Life happens. Unhealthy habits are easy to fall into. It's okay to fall down a bunch and have to get back up again.
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AoifeFitzy wrote: »But seriously, OP: nobody here is knocking IF! Strategies like that work really well for some of us and I think everyone would agree that if that's the trick that helps you stay at a deficit and eat well in the long run- awesome.
What people are frustrated by isn't you, really. It's the whole magical thinking that people keep selling that gives the idea that a bite of food outside a time window is gonna plonk a pile of pounds on ya. Which is the idea that had you worried and coming here in the first place.
IF isn't magic for losing weight or burning fat. It's a trick- and sometimes a really good one- for getting the few pounds of grey goo in your head to be okay with consuming less calories.
Great answer!
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Daily IF is a pretend IF. In reality, you're living a life and trying to eat within a calorie budget. Calling it IF is like calling it diurnal. It's meaningless.
When you eat outside your imaginary window, the only question to ask of yourself is, "Am I within my budget?"
We all find an eating schedule that seems to work best for each of us. Own it proudly. Don't bother trying to adjust your schedule to fit someone else's doctrine.
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.17 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Daily IF is a pretend IF. In reality, you're living a life and trying to eat within a calorie budget. Calling it IF is like calling it diurnal. It's meaningless.
When you eat outside your imaginary window, the only question to ask of yourself is, "Am I within my budget?"
We all find an eating schedule that seems to work best for each of us. Own it proudly. Don't bother trying to adjust your schedule to fit someone else's doctrine.
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.
Um, no, that's liking food a bit too much. All food. People don't just binge on sugar.
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I hate to veer off the IF topic, but this just isn't true. I do occasionally overeat. When I start eating something I really love, I find it quite hard to stop. Like white castle sliders. But it has nothing to do with "sugar addiction". Just badly ingrained eating habits."JeromeBarry wrote:
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.
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Fatty_Nuff wrote: »
I hate to veer off the IF topic, but this just isn't true. I do occasionally overeat. When I start eating something I really love, I find it quite hard to stop. Like white castle sliders. But it has nothing to do with "sugar addiction". Just badly ingrained eating habits."JeromeBarry wrote:
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.
This is me a well! Sure, I can go to town on ice cream and cookies if I don't plan in advance, but I have the same issue with savory food. I made baby back ribs the other night and I had to be very firm with myself on portion size. I could have easily eaten the whole rack.
Nothing to do with "addiction" to certain foods, just a strong urge to keep on eating any food that tastes really good. 5 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Daily IF is a pretend IF. In reality, you're living a life and trying to eat within a calorie budget. Calling it IF is like calling it diurnal. It's meaningless.
When you eat outside your imaginary window, the only question to ask of yourself is, "Am I within my budget?"
We all find an eating schedule that seems to work best for each of us. Own it proudly. Don't bother trying to adjust your schedule to fit someone else's doctrine.
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.
Um, no, that's liking food a bit too much. All food. People don't just binge on sugar.
I was going to say...
Back in the day (and occasionally still) I will eat a slice of some delicious type of cheese I bought and then have more and more and end up eating over my calories (or back in the day, just eating all of it). Is that sugar addiction? Sugar is pretty darn powerful to be able to make me eat all that cheese.
I've also done that with nuts at times.
And plenty of other very tasty foods that had little to no sugar.6 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Daily IF is a pretend IF. In reality, you're living a life and trying to eat within a calorie budget. Calling it IF is like calling it diurnal. It's meaningless.
When you eat outside your imaginary window, the only question to ask of yourself is, "Am I within my budget?"
We all find an eating schedule that seems to work best for each of us. Own it proudly. Don't bother trying to adjust your schedule to fit someone else's doctrine.
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.
Um, no, that's liking food a bit too much. All food. People don't just binge on sugar.
I was going to say...
Back in the day (and occasionally still) I will eat a slice of some delicious type of cheese I bought and then have more and more and end up eating over my calories (or back in the day, just eating all of it). Is that sugar addiction? Sugar is pretty darn powerful to be able to make me eat all that cheese.
I've also done that with nuts at times.
And plenty of other very tasty foods that had little to no sugar.
Nuts. I can hoover down an entire canister without taking a breath. Peanut butter too, no sugar added even 4 -
Potato chips were my Kryptonite. Took me a long time to be able to moderate those puppies.8
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Potato chips were my Kryptonite. Took me a long time to be able to moderate those puppies.
Chips were no problem for me. Cheese puffs were another story. They are so light and airy some of them just float out of the bag and out a window when you aren't looking, right? That or ninjas. You got to watch those ninjas. It couldn't be I was eating the entire bag by myself.7 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Potato chips were my Kryptonite. Took me a long time to be able to moderate those puppies.
I love chips too...sometimes it is just the whole thing around it...sitting on the couch watching garbage tv, stuffing myself with chips/chocolate, etc. Sometimes so much more enjoyable than going to the gym!3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Daily IF is a pretend IF. In reality, you're living a life and trying to eat within a calorie budget. Calling it IF is like calling it diurnal. It's meaningless.
When you eat outside your imaginary window, the only question to ask of yourself is, "Am I within my budget?"
We all find an eating schedule that seems to work best for each of us. Own it proudly. Don't bother trying to adjust your schedule to fit someone else's doctrine.
That said, I do recognize that many people cannot stop once they start eating. That's sugar addiction. That's a much bigger problem than a 24-hour clock.
Um, no, that's liking food a bit too much. All food. People don't just binge on sugar.
I was going to say...
Back in the day (and occasionally still) I will eat a slice of some delicious type of cheese I bought and then have more and more and end up eating over my calories (or back in the day, just eating all of it). Is that sugar addiction? Sugar is pretty darn powerful to be able to make me eat all that cheese.
I've also done that with nuts at times.
And plenty of other very tasty foods that had little to no sugar.
Nuts. I can hoover down an entire canister without taking a breath. Peanut butter too, no sugar added even
My weakness as well.0 -
Will it be ok?
The sun will continue to rise.
No one is coming to get you.
It won’t poison your body.
Yes, it will be ok. Will it hurt your progress? Only if you decide to give up.
We need to stop this all or nothing mentality. Mistakes happen and yours is literally just eating during a specific time...not even going over calorie goal. Don’t let the need to be perfect keep you from your goal.6 -
Will it be ok?
The sun will continue to rise.
No one is coming to get you.
It won’t poison your body.
Yes, it will be ok. Will it hurt your progress? Only if you decide to give up.
We need to stop this all or nothing mentality. Mistakes happen and yours is literally just eating during a specific time...not even going over calorie goal. Don’t let the need to be perfect keep you from your goal.
Yep...all or nothing thinking is how I gained weight!2 -
AoifeFitzy wrote: »But seriously, OP: nobody here is knocking IF! Strategies like that work really well for some of us and I think everyone would agree that if that's the trick that helps you stay at a deficit and eat well in the long run- awesome.
What people are frustrated by isn't you, really. It's the whole magical thinking that people keep selling that gives the idea that a bite of food outside a time window is gonna plonk a pile of pounds on ya. Which is the idea that had you worried and coming here in the first place.
IF isn't magic for losing weight or burning fat. It's a trick- and sometimes a really good one- for getting the few pounds of grey goo in your head to be okay with consuming less calories.
Exactly. IF can be a great tool . . . for those people for whom it's a great tool. Go, IF-lovers! :flowerforyou:
But if it were the only way to burn fat, or the only way to lose weight, there are a whole boatload of us around here (like me) who apparently lost weight and fat in a completely imaginary way, just by eating fewer calories than we burn, until we reach goal weight, then eating about the same number of calories as we burn to stay at a healthy weight.
I'm in year 4 of maintaining a healthy weight without IF at all (unless you count occasionally sleeping too late to snag breakfast, so going straight to lunch). And I'm not even one of the major long-term-ers.
If IF works for you, super cool! But if it's a struggle for you . . . you can try something else, because IF is optional.
I thought about advancing the idea that with IF, you need to take IF breaks so autophagy doesn't accidentally eat up your whole body, but that would be mean. <== This is a joke. It isn't true. It may not even be funny. :flowerforyou: again, also :drinker:
Truly and sincerely, I just like to see people succeed in reaching their goals. IF is one path to that, for a subset of people. There are multiple paths that can work.8 -
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When you fast, the body is in the process of cleaning house. It’s removing old, and damaged cells and tissue and making room for new, healthy tissue. Fat is stored in tissue called Adipose tissue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue). I theorized that unused adipose tissue in the form of loose, sagging skin could be flushed from the body during the autophagy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy) process experienced while fasting, especially fasts that last 16-24 hours being ideal. There is also clinical research in mice to support this theory (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769174/)23
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Hate to break it to you, but your body cleans house all the time. Fasting has nothing to do with it. Removing old/damaged cells and making room for new healthy tissue isn't part of normal biology.8
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yes correct your body is always cleaning house but IF just super charges this process16
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Just eat in a calorie deficit with reasonably balanced nutrition using whatever method or no particular method, that works for you.
No need to super charged by IF or any other imaginary magic.3 -
Fasting was used to cleanse the body clean out. And Other things. It was only a short term thing but some use it as a set part of eating. This seems to be good ? as reports states.7
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jasonpoihegatama wrote: »Fasting was used to cleanse the body clean out. And Other things. It was only a short term thing but some use it as a set part of eating. This seems to be good ? as reports states.
What is being 'cleansed,' though that your body isn't able to take of on its own?5 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Hate to break it to you, but your body cleans house all the time. Fasting has nothing to do with it. Removing old/damaged cells and making room for new healthy tissue isn't part of normal biology.
Corrected what I said above. Probably shouldn't type late at night.
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Well that certainly doesn't look like an accredited science journal.
Fung is a quack.9
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