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Fat fetishism
amy19355
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I just learned about this fetish for fat.
I am nearly speechless at the discovery.
What’s to debate? Well I guess between us fitness folks, nothing, although ....I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
Ok, I suppose we can make a case for it , perhaps , being a financially healthy choice, but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
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I am nearly speechless at the discovery.
What’s to debate? Well I guess between us fitness folks, nothing, although ....I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
Ok, I suppose we can make a case for it , perhaps , being a financially healthy choice, but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
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I can tell you there is a fetish for anything. Literally anything.
You can't even imagine how weird people can get.18 -
My ex boyfriend was into this. The bigger the better. Probably the reason I put on over 70 pounds in the course of our relationship.4
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I just learned about this fetish for fat.
I am nearly speechless at the discovery.
What’s to debate? Well I guess between us fitness folks, nothing, although ....I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
Ok, I suppose we can make a case for it , perhaps , being a financially healthy choice, but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
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Sacrificing health for pleasure..
Something like this would require at least one partner to be overweight/obese I would think?? So potential health risks for that person...
Ah nevermind. I got nothing - oh, full disclosure, I didn't read the link because no I just don't want to. mamahorker? To each their own I guess...0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I can tell you there is a fetish for anything. Literally anything.
You can't even imagine how weird people can get.
Yep, there's a fetish for just about every facet of life. I worked in a shop that catered to all sorts of them. I have my own set. As long as it's not hurting anyone and it's consensual, to each their own.I just learned about this fetish for fat.
I am nearly speechless at the discovery.
What’s to debate? Well I guess between us fitness folks, nothing, although ....I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
Ok, I suppose we can make a case for it , perhaps , being a financially healthy choice, but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
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As far as the fitness and financial aspects go. For many people fetishes are not just fun but strong urges that will supersede health and financial concerns.9 -
I am no expert in fetishes (I am overly fond of men in kilts though)
However I will weigh in anyway.
As far as I can tell there is a whole world of fetish that revolves around being attracted to the morbidly obese. To me it seems to be mainly split into two areas. Although I am sure there are a lot of other aspects I am not aware of.
One is online where women (mostly) cater to men who find it attractive and are willing to pay to see it. This is becoming a big business and can generate massive amounts of money for the person fulfilling those fantasies. This is between consenting adults and a service is being provided and paid for. No problem on either side if you leave the possible health issues for the person providing the service out of the equation.
Then you have the relationship where one person (usually the woman) is being asked to put on more and more weight to meet the fetish of the person they are involved with. This to me is a harmful and possibly abusive relationship. Where one person is controlling what the other person eats, what body shape they are and how fat they get. I know there are couples who seem to be happy in this relationship but I personally feel that it is not healthy or sometimes even consensual in the normal way. It could be a slow and insidous process of control and pressure. "If you really loved me you would do this for me" Emotional blackmail to get someone to provide a fetish that could kill them is not ok.18 -
True story: the roots of the fat acceptance movement go back to fat fetishism. The first group to promote fat acceptance was founded by a man who had a feeding fetish.20
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People are creative. That's as much as is polite to say.12
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For me this falls into the, "Your Kink Is Not My Kink But Your Kink Is Okay" camp. As long as everyone knows what's going on and is the relationship/fetish consensual (there are fetishes that revolve around non-consent or involve, by their very nature, the inability for all parties to consent) then who am I to judge?14
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For me this falls into the, "Your Kink Is Not My Kink But Your Kink Is Okay" camp. As long as everyone knows what's going on and is the relationship/fetish consensual (there are fetishes that revolve around non-consent or involve, by their very nature, the inability for all parties to consent) then who am I to judge?
This is my position. It isn't my thing, but lots of things aren't.
It may be unhealthy to carry excess weight, but having a fetish around it doesn't exacerbate the unhealthiness. That a fetish is involved is irrelevant to me.6 -
As much as socioeconomic status is predictive of health, I don't think the income from being a fat fetish model is going to over-ride the changes in health from becoming morbidly obese if one is becoming so from a healthy weight just to fill this niche.I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
In what sense? Do you wonder how someone could gain the weight needed to be a fat fetish model? Are you asking if there are potentially more nutritionally sound ways to become obese?but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.0 -
In what sense? Do you wonder how someone could gain the weight needed to be a fat fetish model? Are you asking if there are potentially more nutritionally sound ways to become obese?[/quote]magnusthenerd wrote: »
As much as socioeconomic status is predictive of health, I don't think the income from being a fat fetish model is going to over-ride the changes in health from becoming morbidly obese if one is becoming so from a healthy weight just to fill this niche.I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
[quote]but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
I was wondering if there was any science to support a healthy state of obesity. Nothing I read ever suggested it, but I try never to close off the input of data that informs my understanding about stuff.0 -
In what sense? Do you wonder how someone could gain the weight needed to be a fat fetish model? Are you asking if there are potentially more nutritionally sound ways to become obese?magnusthenerd wrote: »
As much as socioeconomic status is predictive of health, I don't think the income from being a fat fetish model is going to over-ride the changes in health from becoming morbidly obese if one is becoming so from a healthy weight just to fill this niche.I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
[quote]but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
I was wondering if there was any science to support a healthy state of obesity. Nothing I read ever suggested it, but I try never to close off the input of data that informs my understanding about stuff. [/quote]
I have no sources for you to read, but a little food for thought would be offensive/defensive linemen in American football. Most folks looking at them walking down the street would never consider them fit, yet could never do what they do on the field.
I'm not attempting to defend obesity by the way, just suggesting another viewpoint for discussion.0 -
I was wondering if there was any science to support a healthy state of obesity. Nothing I read ever suggested it, but I try never to close off the input of data that informs my understanding about stuff.
Generally, the evidence is that even highly active obese individuals have poor markers for health:
https://examine.com/nutrition/can-you-be-healthy-and-obese/
Probably about the only people that are going to show up as obese from a weight perspective but not a metabolic perspective are athletes on anabolics, and then they're on anabolics, so it is hard to say how healthy they are.Using sumo wrestlers and National League American Football players as models for 'High adiposity paired with High activity', there still appear to be risks associated with the state of obesity or the high calorie diet that activity cannot compensate for completely (some compensation does seem apparent, however)
Exercise does not appear to be potent enough to normalize all health biomarkers of an obese (BMI greater than 30) person if weight loss does not also occur; this may not hold for overweight persons where the state of health is inherently more favorable (than obese age-matched persons)3 -
I have no sources for you to read, but a little food for thought would be offensive/defensive linemen in American football. Most folks looking at them walking down the street would never consider them fit, yet could never do what they do on the field.
I'm not attempting to defend obesity by the way, just suggesting another viewpoint for discussion.
A family friend of ours was a lineman for the Giants once upon a time. He was fit in regards to performance, but he had bad health markers from being obese. One of the first things he did when he retired was lose a ton of weight, and most lineman do the same when they retire.
Mike Golic who was a defensive lineman talks about it quite a bit on his show on ESPN radio...guy has dumped a ton of weight and looks like a completely different person from when he played.9 -
In what sense? Do you wonder how someone could gain the weight needed to be a fat fetish model? Are you asking if there are potentially more nutritionally sound ways to become obese?magnusthenerd wrote: »
As much as socioeconomic status is predictive of health, I don't think the income from being a fat fetish model is going to over-ride the changes in health from becoming morbidly obese if one is becoming so from a healthy weight just to fill this niche.I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
[quote]but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
I was wondering if there was any science to support a healthy state of obesity. Nothing I read ever suggested it, but I try never to close off the input of data that informs my understanding about stuff.
It's marginally healthier to be obese and otherwise physically fit, as opposed to obese and inactive/unfit. That's about it.
It's not enough to overcome the bad influence of the obesity, though.
I don't have research cites at hand for any of this, though they're out there. I tried for quite a while to convince myself it was OK to be obese because I was so active, even competing as a masters athlete.
I was wrong. It wasn't OK. My cite for that is "personal experience".
*Edited in attempt to fix broken quote tags. Attribution missing. Sorry.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I have no sources for you to read, but a little food for thought would be offensive/defensive linemen in American football. Most folks looking at them walking down the street would never consider them fit, yet could never do what they do on the field.
I'm not attempting to defend obesity by the way, just suggesting another viewpoint for discussion.
A family friend of ours was a lineman for the Giants once upon a time. He was fit in regards to performance, but he had bad health markers from being obese. One of the first things he did when he retired was lose a ton of weight, and most lineman do the same when they retire.
Mike Golic who was a defensive lineman talks about it quite a bit on his show on ESPN radio...guy has dumped a ton of weight and looks like a completely different person from when he played.
Makes perfect sense. I questioned my posting that after I did too, as that size/weight is more a requirement almost, as opposed to someone who is obese through poor eating habits.
Not the best analogy on my part...hindsight..0 -
yes there is a fetish for that.
there is a fetish for everything
there are some plus sized people who are fitter than me. long term idk. tmmv0 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »
As much as socioeconomic status is predictive of health, I don't think the income from being a fat fetish model is going to over-ride the changes in health from becoming morbidly obese if one is becoming so from a healthy weight just to fill this niche.I am willing to keep an open mind for new information about how this could be a healthy choice in certain circumstances.
In what sense? Do you wonder how someone could gain the weight needed to be a fat fetish model? Are you asking if there are potentially more nutritionally sound ways to become obese?but here at MFP it’s the fitness and nutritional aspects that interest me.
I seriously doubt lean people are gaining hundreds of pounds to fill this niche. For one thing the niche is already full, for another skinny people probably can't get their foot in the door, for another it wouldn't be economical to buy so much extra food for a job, yet another is that everybody has limits. It just makes so much more sense that people with a fetish for obesity would be attracted to people who are already obese. I mean how long does it take to put on 100 pounds?3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I have no sources for you to read, but a little food for thought would be offensive/defensive linemen in American football. Most folks looking at them walking down the street would never consider them fit, yet could never do what they do on the field.
I'm not attempting to defend obesity by the way, just suggesting another viewpoint for discussion.
A family friend of ours was a lineman for the Giants once upon a time. He was fit in regards to performance, but he had bad health markers from being obese. One of the first things he did when he retired was lose a ton of weight, and most lineman do the same when they retire.
Mike Golic who was a defensive lineman talks about it quite a bit on his show on ESPN radio...guy has dumped a ton of weight and looks like a completely different person from when he played.
This is a kinda fun link, in that connection.
https://thesportsdrop.com/20-nfl-players-that-lost-a-ton-of-weight/1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I can tell you there is a fetish for anything. Literally anything.
You can't even imagine how weird people can get.
I agree. I talk to some emergency room nurses. It's amazing what people will stick up their butt for fun.8 -
A friend of mine who was morbidly obese made a comfortable living as an artist's model. I admired her self-confidence and zest for living, but lost contact with her after I married and moved away. I wonder how her health held up over time.0
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manderson27 wrote: »I am no expert in fetishes (I am overly fond of men in kilts though)
Do you need your house cleaned?
https://www.meninkilts.com/
You're welcome...8 -
manderson27 wrote: »I am no expert in fetishes (I am overly fond of men in kilts though)
Do you need your house cleaned?
https://www.meninkilts.com/
You're welcome...
Not available in my area :sad:2 -
There is a kink or fetish (people like to use those 2 terms interchangeably, but they are distinctly different) for anything/everything. There are entire social media platforms based around fetishes/kinks. If you've just figured out that some people are sexually attracted to morbidly obese bodies, then heaven help you if you find out some of the other stuff that's out there.
Your Kink Is Not My Kink But Your Kink is OK. Nobody said a kink has to be healthy for you or for the other person (breath play is an obvious example). As long as it's SSC (safe, sane, & consensual) or RACK (risk-aware consensual kink), who cares? People are gonna get off however they get off; I'm positive we don't all care what you're doing behind closed doors.
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There is a kink or fetish (people like to use those 2 terms interchangeably, but they are distinctly different) for anything/everything. There are entire social media platforms based around fetishes/kinks. If you've just figured out that some people are sexually attracted to morbidly obese bodies, then heaven help you if you find out some of the other stuff that's out there.
Your Kink Is Not My Kink But Your Kink is OK. Nobody said a kink has to be healthy for you or for the other person (breath play is an obvious example). As long as it's SSC (safe, sane, & consensual) or RACK (risk-aware consensual kink), who cares? People are gonna get off however they get off; I'm positive we don't all care what you're doing behind closed doors.
I thought a kink involves using a feather and fetish involved using the whole chicken.10 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I have no sources for you to read, but a little food for thought would be offensive/defensive linemen in American football. Most folks looking at them walking down the street would never consider them fit, yet could never do what they do on the field.
I'm not attempting to defend obesity by the way, just suggesting another viewpoint for discussion.
A family friend of ours was a lineman for the Giants once upon a time. He was fit in regards to performance, but he had bad health markers from being obese. One of the first things he did when he retired was lose a ton of weight, and most lineman do the same when they retire.
Mike Golic who was a defensive lineman talks about it quite a bit on his show on ESPN radio...guy has dumped a ton of weight and looks like a completely different person from when he played.
This is a kinda fun link, in that connection.
https://thesportsdrop.com/20-nfl-players-that-lost-a-ton-of-weight/
It's interesting to see the stark differences between the before and after of these fellows. The click-bait format and questionable grammar had me quit after the first half dozen though. Some of those first few did specifically mention the player retiring with though not necessarily due to obesity related health concerns. It seems not even very fit pro-football players can escape the risks of excess weight.1 -
There is a kink or fetish (people like to use those 2 terms interchangeably, but they are distinctly different) for anything/everything. There are entire social media platforms based around fetishes/kinks. If you've just figured out that some people are sexually attracted to morbidly obese bodies, then heaven help you if you find out some of the other stuff that's out there.
Your Kink Is Not My Kink But Your Kink is OK. Nobody said a kink has to be healthy for you or for the other person (breath play is an obvious example). As long as it's SSC (safe, sane, & consensual) or RACK (risk-aware consensual kink), who cares? People are gonna get off however they get off; I'm positive we don't all care what you're doing behind closed doors.
This. All of this. It feels really out of line for people to be ridiculing/being dismissive of the various consensual things and activities that people are sexually attracted to.3 -
I mean, there's a fetish for everything. You're right I'm not really seeing what there is to debate and I don't really have a problem with this. I seriously doubt there are healthy people out there that are purposely becoming obese so they can appeal to these people with a fat fetish.0
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manderson27 wrote: »
Then you have the relationship where one person (usually the woman) is being asked to put on more and more weight to meet the fetish of the person they are involved with. This to me is a harmful and possibly abusive relationship. Where one person is controlling what the other person eats, what body shape they are and how fat they get. I know there are couples who seem to be happy in this relationship but I personally feel that it is not healthy or sometimes even consensual in the normal way. It could be a slow and insidous process of control and pressure. "If you really loved me you would do this for me" Emotional blackmail to get someone to provide a fetish that could kill them is not ok.
I have read about cases like this, while out and about on the internet. It seems to me like you can very easily separate the control and coercion from the actual "fetish". Some abusers use emotional or financial control and these people use both making it physically harder to get away and also "only I love you like this". Not that different from any other case of an abusive relationship.
I don't really know if finding fat people attractive can be called a fetish though. Like, where's the line? When does it change between just having a preference and a fetish? Do we use BMI for that too?5 -
manderson27 wrote: »
Then you have the relationship where one person (usually the woman) is being asked to put on more and more weight to meet the fetish of the person they are involved with. This to me is a harmful and possibly abusive relationship. Where one person is controlling what the other person eats, what body shape they are and how fat they get. I know there are couples who seem to be happy in this relationship but I personally feel that it is not healthy or sometimes even consensual in the normal way. It could be a slow and insidous process of control and pressure. "If you really loved me you would do this for me" Emotional blackmail to get someone to provide a fetish that could kill them is not ok.
I have read about cases like this, while out and about on the internet. It seems to me like you can very easily separate the control and coercion from the actual "fetish". Some abusers use emotional or financial control and these people use both making it physically harder to get away and also "only I love you like this". Not that different from any other case of an abusive relationship.
I don't really know if finding fat people attractive can be called a fetish though. Like, where's the line? When does it change between just having a preference and a fetish? Do we use BMI for that too?
I think the more clinical uses of fetish say a fetish involves the desired thing replaces actual intimacy and attraction. If one can't feel intimacy for a person without the presence of the desired thing, then one has fetish, not merely a preference. I think, however, some people object to that concept when forced to realize things they take for granted meet that definition of fetish.5
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