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janejellyroll wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »Why do people woo? such negative people. I havent started running again but with keto it might be handy to have some bone broth to fuel electrolytes depletion and give you salt
I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
But even a keto diet requires one to maintain a calorie deficit, which is what the "eat less, move more" describes, even if in somewhat simplistic terms. And the "move more" part isn't actually a requirement - a person can lose weight through calorie restriction alone. The "move more" part just lets you eat more and still remain in the deficit required for weight loss.
Keto does not defy CICO - the success or failure of *all* ways of eating depends on compliance with its principles. So keto-ites (or anyone following any other way of eating) who claim they're losing weight *without* actually having to be in a deficit to do so will usually get woo'd. Because it's scientifically impossible for a healthy person to lose weight while in a consistent caloric surplus.
Different ways of eating can make it easier for individuals to achieve a calorie deficit. I've never seen anyone dispute that. Different people find different foods satiating, making it easier for them to stay in a consistent deficit, and, as a result, lose weight.
But when I see people ascribing benefits to their way of eating that aren't scientifically possible, I'll either post to counter it, or if someone else has already done so, I'll 'woo' the originating post and 'like' the countering response.
And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with feeling 'threatened' or 'judged.' It has everything to do with science.
Edited to add: This is how it all really works:
I realize that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss. No one said it wasn't.
The posts that were woo'ed were:
1. The OP which asked for keto food tips for marathon training, which they planned to resume because of improved energy.
2. My recommendation if an A rated publushed scientist who has put 40 years into researching endurance runners, and is a marathoner too. But that's me and i have some very reliable woo stalkers to amuse me.
3. Someone who pointed out the woo and then recommended taking care of electrolytes with the increased activity.
Nothing in this thread had to do with weight loss except your response to teach ketoers (or at least those interested in running while keto) that weight loss comes down to CICO. The thread is just about marathon running while keto, with a comment on the reactions to the OP.
In the end "how it really work" is a bit off topic.
If someone's energy is really "through the roof," then why the question about fueling up for activity? The party line about keto endurance is that being fat-adapted makes refueling unnecessary (although I don't personally know of any keto athletes who have been able to actually achieve these results for 20+ miles).
I don't know if anyone is "threatened," just more skeptical that keto will achieve good results for more than a handful of endurance athletes.
"How it really works" does seem to be the topic at hand.
Keep teaching then; someone might find it helpful, just like someone may find the woo'ed posts helpful.
For more info on keto and athletics, it can also be helpful to go to keto forums and sources. The main boards is not where most ketoers post.18 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »Why do people woo? such negative people. I havent started running again but with keto it might be handy to have some bone broth to fuel electrolytes depletion and give you salt
I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
But even a keto diet requires one to maintain a calorie deficit, which is what the "eat less, move more" describes, even if in somewhat simplistic terms. And the "move more" part isn't actually a requirement - a person can lose weight through calorie restriction alone. The "move more" part just lets you eat more and still remain in the deficit required for weight loss.
Keto does not defy CICO - the success or failure of *all* ways of eating depends on compliance with its principles. So keto-ites (or anyone following any other way of eating) who claim they're losing weight *without* actually having to be in a deficit to do so will usually get woo'd. Because it's scientifically impossible for a healthy person to lose weight while in a consistent caloric surplus.
Different ways of eating can make it easier for individuals to achieve a calorie deficit. I've never seen anyone dispute that. Different people find different foods satiating, making it easier for them to stay in a consistent deficit, and, as a result, lose weight.
But when I see people ascribing benefits to their way of eating that aren't scientifically possible, I'll either post to counter it, or if someone else has already done so, I'll 'woo' the originating post and 'like' the countering response.
And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with feeling 'threatened' or 'judged.' It has everything to do with science.
Edited to add: This is how it all really works:
I realize that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss. No one said it wasn't.
The posts that were woo'ed were:
1. The OP which asked for keto food tips for marathon training, which they planned to resume because of improved energy.
2. My recommendation if an A rated publushed scientist who has put 40 years into researching endurance runners, and is a marathoner too. But that's me and i have some very reliable woo stalkers to amuse me.
3. Someone who pointed out the woo and then recommended taking care of electrolytes with the increased activity.
Nothing in this thread had to do with weight loss except your response to teach ketoers (or at least those interested in running while keto) that weight loss comes down to CICO. The thread is just about marathon running while keto, with a comment on the reactions to the OP.
In the end "how it really work" is a bit off topic.
I believe the response was due to bolded below.I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
Which would be why the poster would have responded as to how it it really works. So maybe, your post may have started the "bit off topic".... I guess...... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
True. I'll back out of the thread now.
I guess I sometimes get frustrated by the woo. Look into paleo of IF posts. Unfortunately, the woo count is high even when there us no woo/wrong science being discussed.11 -
Just as a lot of us are equally frustrated when the woo continually gets posted as fact.snickerscharlie wrote: »azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »Why do people woo? such negative people. I havent started running again but with keto it might be handy to have some bone broth to fuel electrolytes depletion and give you salt
I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
But even a keto diet requires one to maintain a calorie deficit, which is what the "eat less, move more" describes, even if in somewhat simplistic terms. And the "move more" part isn't actually a requirement - a person can lose weight through calorie restriction alone. The "move more" part just lets you eat more and still remain in the deficit required for weight loss.
Keto does not defy CICO - the success or failure of *all* ways of eating depends on compliance with its principles. So keto-ites (or anyone following any other way of eating) who claim they're losing weight *without* actually having to be in a deficit to do so will usually get woo'd. Because it's scientifically impossible for a healthy person to lose weight while in a consistent caloric surplus.
Different ways of eating can make it easier for individuals to achieve a calorie deficit. I've never seen anyone dispute that. Different people find different foods satiating, making it easier for them to stay in a consistent deficit, and, as a result, lose weight.
But when I see people ascribing benefits to their way of eating that aren't scientifically possible, I'll either post to counter it, or if someone else has already done so, I'll 'woo' the originating post and 'like' the countering response.
And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with feeling 'threatened' or 'judged.' It has everything to do with science.
Edited to add: This is how it all really works:
I realize that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss. No one said it wasn't.
The posts that were woo'ed were:
1. The OP which asked for keto food tips for marathon training, which they planned to resume because of improved energy.
2. My recommendation if an A rated publushed scientist who has put 40 years into researching endurance runners, and is a marathoner too. But that's me and i have some very reliable woo stalkers to amuse me.
3. Someone who pointed out the woo and then recommended taking care of electrolytes with the increased activity.
Nothing in this thread had to do with weight loss except your response to teach ketoers (or at least those interested in running while keto) that weight loss comes down to CICO. The thread is just about marathon running while keto, with a comment on the reactions to the OP.
In the end "how it really work" is a bit off topic.
I believe the response was due to bolded below.I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
Which would be why the poster would have responded as to how it it really works. So maybe, your post may have started the "bit off topic".... I guess...... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
True. I'll back out of the thread now.
I guess I sometimes get frustrated by the woo. Look into paleo of IF posts. Unfortunately, the woo count is high even when there us no woo/wrong science being discussed.janejellyroll wrote: »I would be so skeptical if a doctor recommended keto to me specifically because I was doing endurance running. Given that the most successful endurance athletes tend to eat carbohydrate-rich diets (especially during training), what was his justification? Also, does his practice focus on endurance athletes and their nutritional needs?
These would be my questions as well.10 -
collectingblues wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I am keto and training for a marathon. I was put in the direction of keto by my doctor after he discovered I was doing endurance sports. During the initial stages it was difficult training and I had to cut back a bit as my energy levels dropped, but they have since recovered. I usually train fasted as that is what is better for me, but I have noted when I have something about 2 to 3 hours before a long exercise a session it appears to help.
I would be so skeptical if a doctor recommended keto to me specifically because I was doing endurance running. Given that the most successful endurance athletes tend to eat carbohydrate-rich diets (especially during training), what was his justification? Also, does his practice focus on endurance athletes and their nutritional needs?
Especially considering that my dietitian -- who focuses on sports medicine/sports nutrition, and lectures at a national level -- told me that of all the poor choices I could make, she would rather have me *restrict* to <1000 than she would have me do keto. And she has OPINIONS about <1000. That's how strongly she feels about the negative effects of keto.
Regarding judging: Generally, I don't care what people do, and how they eat. You do you. But if "you" tell me that I'm doing it all wrong, and that low carb and keto are the only way to go, I will come down on you like a hammer on a fruit fly. Because that *kitten* doesn't fly -- don't food shame me, and don't food shame other people.
Yeah, I can get having other reasons to want to eat ketogenically and then working to do that in a way that supports your endurance training. It's harder for me to imagine reasons why one would choose to eat ketogenically specifically because one was doing endurance training.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I am keto and training for a marathon. I was put in the direction of keto by my doctor after he discovered I was doing endurance sports. During the initial stages it was difficult training and I had to cut back a bit as my energy levels dropped, but they have since recovered. I usually train fasted as that is what is better for me, but I have noted when I have something about 2 to 3 hours before a long exercise a session it appears to help.
I would be so skeptical if a doctor recommended keto to me specifically because I was doing endurance running. Given that the most successful endurance athletes tend to eat carbohydrate-rich diets (especially during training), what was his justification? Also, does his practice focus on endurance athletes and their nutritional needs?
Especially considering that my dietitian -- who focuses on sports medicine/sports nutrition, and lectures at a national level -- told me that of all the poor choices I could make, she would rather have me *restrict* to <1000 than she would have me do keto. And she has OPINIONS about <1000. That's how strongly she feels about the negative effects of keto.
Regarding judging: Generally, I don't care what people do, and how they eat. You do you. But if "you" tell me that I'm doing it all wrong, and that low carb and keto are the only way to go, I will come down on you like a hammer on a fruit fly. Because that *kitten* doesn't fly -- don't food shame me, and don't food shame other people.
Yeah, I can get having other reasons to want to eat ketogenically and then working to do that in a way that supports your endurance training. It's harder for me to imagine reasons why one would choose to eat ketogenically specifically because one was doing endurance training.
Agreed. It's counter-intuitive at best.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »Why do people woo? such negative people. I havent started running again but with keto it might be handy to have some bone broth to fuel electrolytes depletion and give you salt
I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
But even a keto diet requires one to maintain a calorie deficit, which is what the "eat less, move more" describes, even if in somewhat simplistic terms. And the "move more" part isn't actually a requirement - a person can lose weight through calorie restriction alone. The "move more" part just lets you eat more and still remain in the deficit required for weight loss.
Keto does not defy CICO - the success or failure of *all* ways of eating depends on compliance with its principles. So keto-ites (or anyone following any other way of eating) who claim they're losing weight *without* actually having to be in a deficit to do so will usually get woo'd. Because it's scientifically impossible for a healthy person to lose weight while in a consistent caloric surplus.
Different ways of eating can make it easier for individuals to achieve a calorie deficit. I've never seen anyone dispute that. Different people find different foods satiating, making it easier for them to stay in a consistent deficit, and, as a result, lose weight.
But when I see people ascribing benefits to their way of eating that aren't scientifically possible, I'll either post to counter it, or if someone else has already done so, I'll 'woo' the originating post and 'like' the countering response.
And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with feeling 'threatened' or 'judged.' It has everything to do with science.
Edited to add: This is how it all really works:
I realize that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss. No one said it wasn't.
The posts that were woo'ed were:
1. The OP which asked for keto food tips for marathon training, which they planned to resume because of improved energy.
2. My recommendation if an A rated publushed scientist who has put 40 years into researching endurance runners, and is a marathoner too. But that's me and i have some very reliable woo stalkers to amuse me.
3. Someone who pointed out the woo and then recommended taking care of electrolytes with the increased activity.
Nothing in this thread had to do with weight loss except your response to teach ketoers (or at least those interested in running while keto) that weight loss comes down to CICO. The thread is just about marathon running while keto, with a comment on the reactions to the OP.
In the end "how it really work" is a bit off topic.
If someone's energy is really "through the roof," then why the question about fueling up for activity? The party line about keto endurance is that being fat-adapted makes refueling unnecessary (although I don't personally know of any keto athletes who have been able to actually achieve these results for 20+ miles).
I don't know if anyone is "threatened," just more skeptical that keto will achieve good results for more than a handful of endurance athletes.
"How it really works" does seem to be the topic at hand.
Keep teaching then; someone might find it helpful, just like someone may find the woo'ed posts helpful.
For more info on keto and athletics, it can also be helpful to go to keto forums and sources. The main boards is not where most ketoers post.
I'm sorry, what am I teaching here?
Someone may find the "woo'ed" posts helpful, just as others may find them worthy of a "woo." The entire thing seems manifestly petty to focus on (to me, obviously others will focus on what seems important to them).
To find out about keto and endurance running, it may be helpful to go to keto forums. It may also be helpful to gather feedback from those engaging in endurance sports. It's not like asking here means that OP also can't ask at your preferred forums.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I am keto and training for a marathon. I was put in the direction of keto by my doctor after he discovered I was doing endurance sports. During the initial stages it was difficult training and I had to cut back a bit as my energy levels dropped, but they have since recovered. I usually train fasted as that is what is better for me, but I have noted when I have something about 2 to 3 hours before a long exercise a session it appears to help.
I would be so skeptical if a doctor recommended keto to me specifically because I was doing endurance running. Given that the most successful endurance athletes tend to eat carbohydrate-rich diets (especially during training), what was his justification? Also, does his practice focus on endurance athletes and their nutritional needs?
Especially considering that my dietitian -- who focuses on sports medicine/sports nutrition, and lectures at a national level -- told me that of all the poor choices I could make, she would rather have me *restrict* to <1000 than she would have me do keto. And she has OPINIONS about <1000. That's how strongly she feels about the negative effects of keto.
Regarding judging: Generally, I don't care what people do, and how they eat. You do you. But if "you" tell me that I'm doing it all wrong, and that low carb and keto are the only way to go, I will come down on you like a hammer on a fruit fly. Because that *kitten* doesn't fly -- don't food shame me, and don't food shame other people.
Yeah, I can get having other reasons to want to eat ketogenically and then working to do that in a way that supports your endurance training. It's harder for me to imagine reasons why one would choose to eat ketogenically specifically because one was doing endurance training.
There is an allure in being able to theoretically run off my existing fat stores for fuel vs messing with gels and things. So I can understand why many have tried (myself included).
But everyone that I know who has tried (myself included) found that we didn’t care how much fat we were burning if we’re running slower (and with less overall energy). Since that is literally no one’s goal.
So as seems to be the message in the studies and things on the prior page (and vast amounts of anecdotal evidence), higher carbs is better for performance in endurance running.6 -
azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »Why do people woo? such negative people. I havent started running again but with keto it might be handy to have some bone broth to fuel electrolytes depletion and give you salt
Because why would you run if you don’t like carbs? Carbs fuel runs. I really couldn’t imagine chugging bone broth at mile 25....9 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I am keto and training for a marathon. I was put in the direction of keto by my doctor after he discovered I was doing endurance sports. During the initial stages it was difficult training and I had to cut back a bit as my energy levels dropped, but they have since recovered. I usually train fasted as that is what is better for me, but I have noted when I have something about 2 to 3 hours before a long exercise a session it appears to help.
I would be so skeptical if a doctor recommended keto to me specifically because I was doing endurance running. Given that the most successful endurance athletes tend to eat carbohydrate-rich diets (especially during training), what was his justification? Also, does his practice focus on endurance athletes and their nutritional needs?
Especially considering that my dietitian -- who focuses on sports medicine/sports nutrition, and lectures at a national level -- told me that of all the poor choices I could make, she would rather have me *restrict* to <1000 than she would have me do keto. And she has OPINIONS about <1000. That's how strongly she feels about the negative effects of keto.
Regarding judging: Generally, I don't care what people do, and how they eat. You do you. But if "you" tell me that I'm doing it all wrong, and that low carb and keto are the only way to go, I will come down on you like a hammer on a fruit fly. Because that *kitten* doesn't fly -- don't food shame me, and don't food shame other people.
Yeah, I can get having other reasons to want to eat ketogenically and then working to do that in a way that supports your endurance training. It's harder for me to imagine reasons why one would choose to eat ketogenically specifically because one was doing endurance training.
There is an allure in being able to theoretically run off my existing fat stores for fuel vs messing with gels and things. So I can understand why many have tried (myself included).
But everyone that I know who has tried (myself included) found that we didn’t care how much fat we were burning if we’re running slower (and with less overall energy). Since that is literally no one’s goal.
So as seems to be the message in the studies and things on the prior page (and vast amounts of anecdotal evidence), higher carbs is better for performance in endurance running.
Yeah, it *sounds* amazing. When I first read about it, I was intrigued. And while I've never tried it, what I've read from the experiences of others is that it is kind of like "fool's gold."4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »Why do people woo? such negative people. I havent started running again but with keto it might be handy to have some bone broth to fuel electrolytes depletion and give you salt
I think some people feel threatened by others who find success through other diets. Perhaps they feel judged. Who knows. But almost every post that does not just focus on moderation in terms of "eat less, move more" gets woo'ed around here.
But even a keto diet requires one to maintain a calorie deficit, which is what the "eat less, move more" describes, even if in somewhat simplistic terms. And the "move more" part isn't actually a requirement - a person can lose weight through calorie restriction alone. The "move more" part just lets you eat more and still remain in the deficit required for weight loss.
Keto does not defy CICO - the success or failure of *all* ways of eating depends on compliance with its principles. So keto-ites (or anyone following any other way of eating) who claim they're losing weight *without* actually having to be in a deficit to do so will usually get woo'd. Because it's scientifically impossible for a healthy person to lose weight while in a consistent caloric surplus.
Different ways of eating can make it easier for individuals to achieve a calorie deficit. I've never seen anyone dispute that. Different people find different foods satiating, making it easier for them to stay in a consistent deficit, and, as a result, lose weight.
But when I see people ascribing benefits to their way of eating that aren't scientifically possible, I'll either post to counter it, or if someone else has already done so, I'll 'woo' the originating post and 'like' the countering response.
And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with feeling 'threatened' or 'judged.' It has everything to do with science.
Edited to add: This is how it all really works:
I realize that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss. No one said it wasn't.
The posts that were woo'ed were:
1. The OP which asked for keto food tips for marathon training, which they planned to resume because of improved energy.
2. My recommendation if an A rated publushed scientist who has put 40 years into researching endurance runners, and is a marathoner too. But that's me and i have some very reliable woo stalkers to amuse me.
3. Someone who pointed out the woo and then recommended taking care of electrolytes with the increased activity.
Nothing in this thread had to do with weight loss except your response to teach ketoers (or at least those interested in running while keto) that weight loss comes down to CICO. The thread is just about marathon running while keto, with a comment on the reactions to the OP.
In the end "how it really work" is a bit off topic.
If someone's energy is really "through the roof," then why the question about fueling up for activity? The party line about keto endurance is that being fat-adapted makes refueling unnecessary (although I don't personally know of any keto athletes who have been able to actually achieve these results for 20+ miles).
I don't know if anyone is "threatened," just more skeptical that keto will achieve good results for more than a handful of endurance athletes.
"How it really works" does seem to be the topic at hand.
Keep teaching then; someone might find it helpful, just like someone may find the woo'ed posts helpful.
]b]For more info on keto and athletics, it can also be helpful to go to keto forums and sources. The main boards is not where most ketoers post[/b].
One can certainly do that if all they are interested in is the pro keto point of view. Possible the OP posted here looking for a less biased and more objective point of view and evidence based information. Is there something wrong with that?15 -
RunnerGrl1982 wrote: »I've been following this thread with interest. I'm an endurance runner myself, and will be running a marathon next month. My curiosity is piqued to hear from others how they have faired running long distances on a lower carb lifestyle.
I, myself, don't have anything worth contributing because I do eat a very high carbohydrate filled diet in order to fuel my runs - but I am interested in hearing from others who have a different way of eating and are able to sustain their energy levels through long runs. Also, performance levels in general from pre to post run.
I do tend to agree that the lack of responses are most typically due to the lack of endurance runners who fuel themselves on a lower carbohydrate lifestyle, but that's certainly not to say there aren't people who do.
Ive also kept an interested eye on this thread as a runner.
I often get under 150g of carbs so could be classed in some circles as 'low carb'1 -
TavistockToad wrote: »RunnerGrl1982 wrote: »I've been following this thread with interest. I'm an endurance runner myself, and will be running a marathon next month. My curiosity is piqued to hear from others how they have faired running long distances on a lower carb lifestyle.
I, myself, don't have anything worth contributing because I do eat a very high carbohydrate filled diet in order to fuel my runs - but I am interested in hearing from others who have a different way of eating and are able to sustain their energy levels through long runs. Also, performance levels in general from pre to post run.
I do tend to agree that the lack of responses are most typically due to the lack of endurance runners who fuel themselves on a lower carbohydrate lifestyle, but that's certainly not to say there aren't people who do.
Ive also kept an interested eye on this thread as a runner.
I often get under 150g of carbs so could be classed in some circles as 'low carb'
Do you feel it has an impact on your running?
I imagine the answer is "no," since you're continuing to eat that way, but I'm curious. My brother is trying to do low carbohydrate (not keto) running right now and he's struggling (mainly on runs longer than 15 miles or so).2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »RunnerGrl1982 wrote: »I've been following this thread with interest. I'm an endurance runner myself, and will be running a marathon next month. My curiosity is piqued to hear from others how they have faired running long distances on a lower carb lifestyle.
I, myself, don't have anything worth contributing because I do eat a very high carbohydrate filled diet in order to fuel my runs - but I am interested in hearing from others who have a different way of eating and are able to sustain their energy levels through long runs. Also, performance levels in general from pre to post run.
I do tend to agree that the lack of responses are most typically due to the lack of endurance runners who fuel themselves on a lower carbohydrate lifestyle, but that's certainly not to say there aren't people who do.
Ive also kept an interested eye on this thread as a runner.
I often get under 150g of carbs so could be classed in some circles as 'low carb'
Do you feel it has an impact on your running?
I imagine the answer is "no," since you're continuing to eat that way, but I'm curious. My brother is trying to do low carbohydrate (not keto) running right now and he's struggling (mainly on runs longer than 15 miles or so).
Well that's the question... I'm ok with training for a half, from experience, though the runger after 10mile + suggests more carbs might make life easier.
I'm going to do my first marathon later this year so I'll see what happens when my mileage increases further.
I haven't chosen to become lower carb deliberately, but my husband does it for medical reasons and it's just easier to cook one evening meal. it's usually my meal after running that is lowish carb.5 -
TavistockToad wrote: »RunnerGrl1982 wrote: »I've been following this thread with interest. I'm an endurance runner myself, and will be running a marathon next month. My curiosity is piqued to hear from others how they have faired running long distances on a lower carb lifestyle.
I, myself, don't have anything worth contributing because I do eat a very high carbohydrate filled diet in order to fuel my runs - but I am interested in hearing from others who have a different way of eating and are able to sustain their energy levels through long runs. Also, performance levels in general from pre to post run.
I do tend to agree that the lack of responses are most typically due to the lack of endurance runners who fuel themselves on a lower carbohydrate lifestyle, but that's certainly not to say there aren't people who do.
Ive also kept an interested eye on this thread as a runner.
I often get under 150g of carbs so could be classed in some circles as 'low carb'
Yeah. I mean, I do ~40 percent of carbs, which is lower than the SAD, and the MFP default breakdown, but I certainly don't see myself as low carb. And, if I could get my insulin sensitivity more improved -- I'm already pretty sensitive, and did have to just tweak my bolus ratios -- I'd consider more. But I don't beat myself up if I don't hit that 40 or under.1 -
foxlikestoplay wrote: »Hello
I recently became Keto adpted ( and do 16/8 fasts). My energy levels have been thru the roof and I wanted to get back to doing marathons again. Any Keto marathon runners here? Do you have a ‘snack’ or drink to fuel up for long distance runs? Any tips welcomed
One thing to consider is that your energy expenditure during a marathon is likely to be higher than what you're doing currently. So it is possible that you could eat more carbs yet still be in ketosis.3 -
TavistockToad wrote: »RunnerGrl1982 wrote: »I've been following this thread with interest. I'm an endurance runner myself, and will be running a marathon next month. My curiosity is piqued to hear from others how they have faired running long distances on a lower carb lifestyle.
I, myself, don't have anything worth contributing because I do eat a very high carbohydrate filled diet in order to fuel my runs - but I am interested in hearing from others who have a different way of eating and are able to sustain their energy levels through long runs. Also, performance levels in general from pre to post run.
I do tend to agree that the lack of responses are most typically due to the lack of endurance runners who fuel themselves on a lower carbohydrate lifestyle, but that's certainly not to say there aren't people who do.
Ive also kept an interested eye on this thread as a runner.
I often get under 150g of carbs so could be classed in some circles as 'low carb'
Oh interesting, I wasn't aware roughly at 150g - that was considered somewhat low carb. I'd be curious to hear how you fair as you train for your marathon later on in the year.
I currently average roughly anywhere from 200 - 250g during the week for my training schedule and over 300g on the weekend when I'm doing my long runs.
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foxlikestoplay wrote: »Hello
I recently became Keto adpted ( and do 16/8 fasts). My energy levels have been thru the roof and I wanted to get back to doing marathons again. Any Keto marathon runners here? Do you have a ‘snack’ or drink to fuel up for long distance runs? Any tips welcomed
One thing to consider is that your energy expenditure during a marathon is likely to be higher than what you're doing currently. So it is possible that you could eat more carbs yet still be in ketosis.
Do you mean during marathon training or during the marathon itself? Because a marathon is just one day, the real challenge is more likely to be fueling training while on a ketogenic diet.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »foxlikestoplay wrote: »Hello
I recently became Keto adpted ( and do 16/8 fasts). My energy levels have been thru the roof and I wanted to get back to doing marathons again. Any Keto marathon runners here? Do you have a ‘snack’ or drink to fuel up for long distance runs? Any tips welcomed
One thing to consider is that your energy expenditure during a marathon is likely to be higher than what you're doing currently. So it is possible that you could eat more carbs yet still be in ketosis.
Do you mean during marathon training or during the marathon itself? Because a marathon is just one day, the real challenge is more likely to be fueling training while on a ketogenic diet.
In either case, the added expenditure (if it is indeed additional) would allow for more carbs. If the individual normally trains for marathons (the OP kind of alluded that she didn't), then it probably wouldn't be any added expenditure.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »foxlikestoplay wrote: »Hello
I recently became Keto adpted ( and do 16/8 fasts). My energy levels have been thru the roof and I wanted to get back to doing marathons again. Any Keto marathon runners here? Do you have a ‘snack’ or drink to fuel up for long distance runs? Any tips welcomed
One thing to consider is that your energy expenditure during a marathon is likely to be higher than what you're doing currently. So it is possible that you could eat more carbs yet still be in ketosis.
Do you mean during marathon training or during the marathon itself? Because a marathon is just one day, the real challenge is more likely to be fueling training while on a ketogenic diet.
In either case, the added expenditure (if it is indeed additional) would allow for more carbs. If the individual normally trains for marathons (the OP kind of alluded that she didn't), then it probably wouldn't be any added expenditure.
A typical marathon training plan has varying mileage each week, so I think this could complicate the effort to figure out how many carbohydrates to eat to stay in ketosis (my perspective is that of a marathon runner, not that of someone doing keto so it may be simpler than I'm imagining).0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »foxlikestoplay wrote: »Hello
I recently became Keto adpted ( and do 16/8 fasts). My energy levels have been thru the roof and I wanted to get back to doing marathons again. Any Keto marathon runners here? Do you have a ‘snack’ or drink to fuel up for long distance runs? Any tips welcomed
One thing to consider is that your energy expenditure during a marathon is likely to be higher than what you're doing currently. So it is possible that you could eat more carbs yet still be in ketosis.
Do you mean during marathon training or during the marathon itself? Because a marathon is just one day, the real challenge is more likely to be fueling training while on a ketogenic diet.
In either case, the added expenditure (if it is indeed additional) would allow for more carbs. If the individual normally trains for marathons (the OP kind of alluded that she didn't), then it probably wouldn't be any added expenditure.
Ok. But the “added expenditure” is an increase in expenditure over a period of several months where you’ll be running anywhere from 3 to 20 (or more) miles a day and 40-60 (or more) miles per week.
Trying to manage the precise additional carb intake every day around that kind of variability (and still have enough energy to do all that running) and precisely timing that carb intake around your runs while also eating at the right times so you don’t feel ill while running? Oh-and finding the time to do 40-60+ miles of runs while still working and living?
All JUST to stay in ketosis?
Marathon training is hard enough alteady.5
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