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The sugar problem
Tandyman23
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Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
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This is 100% not true. I consume sometimes over 100g of sugar a day and have lost 33 pounds (almost 15% of my starting body weight). There is no reason a healthy person needs to restrict sugar unless they find that eating too much sugar increases hunger and makes it hard to stay within their calorie goal. This is the case with some people and in their cases, controlling sugar makes sense, but only as it relates to calorie intake. Weight loss is about calories in vs calories out, period.
If you don't get even 10g of sugar a day, that means you don't eat any fruit, which means you are depriving your body of many important nutrients. So not only is your unnecessary aversion not doing anything for your weight loss, it could be having negative impact on your overall health.
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No.Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
And why is this in the debate section when you're making a proclamation?This is 100% not true. I consume sometimes over 100g of sugar a day and have lost 33 pounds (almost 15% of my starting body weight). There is no reason a healthy person needs to restrict sugar unless they find that eating too much sugar increases hunger and makes it hard to stay within their calorie goal. This is the case with some people and in their cases, controlling sugar makes sense, but only as it relates to calorie intake. Weight loss is about calories in vs calories out, period.
If you don't get even 10g of sugar a day, that means you don't eat any fruit, which means you are depriving your body of many important nutrients. So not only is your unnecessary aversion not doing anything for your weight loss, it could be having negative impact on your overall health.
This. All of it!
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Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
Tell that to the 108 lbs I lost.30 -
If you mean added sugar, then limiting it to 10 grams a day isn't a bad idea. If you mean total sugar, then it's completely ridiculous.14
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I consume around 160 to 195g of granulated sugar for coffee daily...and have for years. 1st time around, 3yrs ago, I lost 40-45lbs...just recently restarted gym after stopping, and have now lost 10-12...so.....6
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OMG another unbelievably misinformed thread has begun. It’s almost like common sense gets throw away and no one does any research anymore. Sugar is ok and for most a great thing but like everything else in life to much is probably bad. If you sit and do nothing all day you need less (less calories from all sources). If you exercise a ton you need more....11
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I consume around 160 to 195g of granulated sugar for coffee daily...and have for years. 1st time around, 3yrs ago, I lost 40-45lbs...just recently restarted gym after stopping, and have now lost 10-12...so.....
that's either a lot of coffee, a lot of sugar in your coffee, or both. Impressive! 7 -
Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
30gs? That's what, an orange and an apple maybe?
Nah.7 -
30 grams? 3 tablespoons?0
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Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
I always get more than 10 g of sugar from veg alone. To cut veg and avoid fruit to that extent is, IMO, not a healthy diet.
Also, zero to do with weight loss.10 -
Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
Why?2 -
Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
The sky is green and pigs can fly.8 -
Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
I haven't found that myself.
I dont monitor my sugar intake at all, let alone closely - and I eat quite a few sweetened foods ( cake, yogurt, chocolate, ice cream ) as well as fruit so I'm sure I am consuming more than 30g daily total.
Yet I have reached my goal weight and then maintained it for 5 years and my blood test results come back satisfactory.
Go figure.
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New account... 2nd post... does not engage commenters on a debate thread once crazy proclamation has been made. Hmmmmm.....18
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There isn't a sugar problem, there's an education problem.27
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NorthCascades wrote: »There isn't a sugar problem, there's an education problem.
That's actually an excellent way of putting it.9 -
I dont eat or drink a lot of sugar because it makes hungrier and thristier shortly after. Unless you are diabetic there is nothing wrong with sugar.4
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Ok then.2
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Lessee, hmm. Lost around 50 pounds eating 70-90g sugars most days; maintaining a healthy weight for 3 years since, eating 80-100g sugars most days.
Imma say "no" to your thesis. I don't know what laws of physics apply in your world, but sugar isn't all that special in mine.12 -
lolno2
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For those of us who have an insulin resistance problem, even in the absence of diabetes CURRENTLY, we DO have to watch our sugar, fructose, and artificial sweeteners. I try to keep mine under 12-15 g a day for ALL sweeteners and sugars that occur naturally.
I am very excited to know that there are people out there that do NOT have this problem, and am happy to hear of all of your success stories. I wish I was like you.
Unfortunately, I am not.
For either side to to blanket say, "everyone must avoid sugar" or "sugar isn't a problem, only calories count", each is a very blinded view. There are people who shouldn't eat much sugar at all, and there are others that have no issue with eating as much as they want. We are all individuals, and must tailor our way of eating to reflect our individual health requirements.12 -
VictoryGarden wrote: »For those of us who have an insulin resistance problem, even in the absence of diabetes CURRENTLY, we DO have to watch our sugar, fructose, and artificial sweeteners. I try to keep mine under 12-15 g a day for ALL sweeteners and sugars that occur naturally.
I am very excited to know that there are people out there that do NOT have this problem, and am happy to hear of all of your success stories. I wish I was like you. Unfortunately, I am not.
For either side to to blanket say, "everyone must avoid sugar" or "sugar isn't a problem, only calories count", each is a very blinded view. There are people who shouldn't eat much sugar at all, and there are others that have no issue with eating as much as they want. We are all individuals, and must tailor our way of eating to reflect our individual health requirements.
Nobody is saying that people with certain medical conditions shouldn't limit their sugar. But that is true of a lot of things. Cheese is bad for lactose intolerant people. Bread bad for people with celiacs. Nuts very bad for people with nut allergies. But none of those things make the specific food bad. Same is with sugar. If someone has a medical condition they should regulate it, but people who do not have a disease that is affected by sugar do not.21 -
MikePTY, I agree wholeheartedly. Sugar in and of itself is not bad IF you do not have high insulin resistance. But if you do, it is very bad. Consistent high levels of insulin, which is the body's response to sugar, exacerbates the problem.
Coming from a long line of diabetics, I finally convinced the doc to run a test for INSULIN, not just blood glucose. Diabetes doesn't happen overnight. He was shocked by the results. My glucose numbers were normal. My insulin was not. Hence my need to keep sugar (and carbs in general) in check.
Insulin levels are only rarely checked in the general "healthy" population. I for one, would be very interested to see how many "healthy" people do suffer from a degree of insulin resistance.
People who do have insulin resistence tend to think that everyone else around them does, too. People who are insulin sensitive tend to think that everyone else around them is insulin sensitive, too. Both opinions are wrong.
It's too bad people blast away at everyone from their own n=1 experience, instead of taking into account that other people might just be in a different situation from them.6 -
Wow is right, more like omg wowNony_Mouse wrote: »I consume around 160 to 195g of granulated sugar for coffee daily...and have for years. 1st time around, 3yrs ago, I lost 40-45lbs...just recently restarted gym after stopping, and have now lost 10-12...so..... that's either a lot of coffee, a lot of sugar in your coffee, or both. Impressive! . i've cut back some, on average I drink 5 12oz cups, using 2.5 tbsp. Gotta have it sweet (grins)
Never did a calculation on sugar intake, but what I've figured/converted...tbsp (2.5 cup) = 12.5 tbsp x 30 days = 450 tbsp, which worked out to 12.4 lbs. That seems extremely wrong..hmmm..ouch. I know I never purchase 3 4lb bags...then again I'm sorta brain dead..lol.
From what I've found, 5lbs of sugar = 181.45 tbsp. Shock me I have had to miss something with this (thinks)
Oh well...if such excess would ever show in a complete blood workup, then all reading were normal.
Thanks for making Me look at this...Fred
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Exercise improves sensitivity to insulin.5
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VictoryGarden wrote: »MikePTY, I agree wholeheartedly. Sugar in and of itself is not bad IF you do not have high insulin resistance. But if you do, it is very bad. Consistent high levels of insulin, which is the body's response to sugar, exacerbates the problem.
Coming from a long line of diabetics, I finally convinced the doc to run a test for INSULIN, not just blood glucose. Diabetes doesn't happen overnight. He was shocked by the results. My glucose numbers were normal. My insulin was not. Hence my need to keep sugar (and carbs in general) in check.
Insulin levels are only rarely checked in the general "healthy" population. I for one, would be very interested to see how many "healthy" people do suffer from a degree of insulin resistance.
People who do have insulin resistence tend to think that everyone else around them does, too. People who are insulin sensitive tend to think that everyone else around them is insulin sensitive, too. Both opinions are wrong.
It's too bad people blast away at everyone from their own n=1 experience, instead of taking into account that other people might just be in a different situation from them.
While I completely agree with this, the OP's proposition doesn't apply in any case. Being careful with sugar in this case is a good idea, but sugar does not make anyone gain weight without a calorie surplus, not even those with insulin resistance.10 -
Tandyman23 wrote: »Make sure to closely monitor sugar intake even if you are watching calorie intake. The effect sugar has on insulin level and fat isnt correlated with the amount of calories you are consuming. I personally try not to exceed 10g of sugar a day if that. Counting calories means absolutely nothing if you are still consuming 30g+ of sugar a day.
It is the bolded that most of us are rolling our verbal eyes about.12
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