It’s lose weight not loose weight.
jenniferanderson3888
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I see this word misspelled a lot.
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I'm pretty sure the rules of the board prohibit correcting other's grammar.I won't attack, mock, or otherwise insult others. I can respectfully disagree with the message or topic, but I cannot attack the messenger. This includes attacks against the member’s spelling or command of written English, belittling a member for posting a duplicate discussion, or attacking a member for posting in an older discussion. (ie. It’s lose not loose, strong first post, didn’t you already post this today, etc.) Not every member has the same level of education, so I’ll refrain from criticizing a member for not framing their content in a manner befitting a university-level science paper.
I won’t pick apart how something is said; I will focus on the meaning/message.32 -
I don’t see any attacking or insulting taking place. I believe the OP said what she did respectfully. She also did not address it towards any one person, but put it out there in general.39
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We all make mistakes on the internet. I certainly make my share, especially when typing from a phone and being subjected to the joys of autocorrect. I am sure you have probably likely made some as well. While I understand frustration over lose/loose, criticizing others over for spelling or grammar issues is against the rules.20
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It also says not to police nor call out other members. The OP really didn't call any one particular person out nor did she correct any one persons spelling...she just stated she sees the wrong spelling for "lose" used.20
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I did not criticize26
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jenniferanderson3888 wrote: »I did not criticize
I know, but I've seen these threads get moderated in the past.1 -
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There a lot of words that are easily misspelled this is only one of many. We know what it means on here though and that is the important thing.
Also not everybody on here has English as their first language so it can be difficult for them. Some people on here are Dyslexic and of course we don't all have the same levels of education.
I love the English language but even I, a self confessed grammar nazi have been caught out many a time. <Damn you autocorrect>11 -
Since I'm sure my posts here aren't perfect, and typos and oversights happen when you are typing on your phone, I personally choose not to point out other peoples' errors. Not to mention auto correct and ESL users.18
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I could point out that the initial title does not have correct punctuation therefore making it a fragment of a sentence which goes against current grammatical rules (I say “current” - note the speech marks - as grammar evolves. My degree is in mostly old English i.e. Chaucer, and language evolves fast so my English is probably currently incorrect. Or at least out of fashion.)
But I’m not here to be a pedant.
And an internet forum will be full of errors and inconsistencies as people seek support from others, frequently typing fast on their phones in languages other than their first.
One of my pet hates? When I personally start sentences with “but” or “and”... 🤣13 -
One of my pet hates? When I personally start sentences with “but” or “and”...
I do that, but I get over it pretty quickly.
I make so many grammar errors on forums. Dun curr.*
I am not the best or fastest typist either, so I make a lot of technical errors. I'm really glad people don't point them out to me, I'd be forced to defend myself and my general forum style is to post on the first page of a thread and then not go back to defend myself.
*that's "Don't care" for you smarter peeps.
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I work with many ESL speakers and let them know (privately and gently) when they make mistakes. They express appreciation. Also, I'm learning Spanish and appreciate when native speakers correct me. The OP didn't call anyone in particular out publicly, so I see nothing wrong with her post.
My pet peeve - when "peaked" is misused in "piqued my interest".17 -
My pet peeve is the non-use of the turn signals. Come on, people, how hard is this?26
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My pet peeve - when "peaked" is misused in "piqued my interest".[/quote]
We could have a great thread about punctuation / language which winds people up (I freely admit to greengrocers’ comma / apostrophe rage), but - and this is a BIG but for me - not everyone has studied English. I’ve worked with teenage carers who had to miss school to look after their mum or dad. They haven’t all had the luxury of time or funds to go to school but they’re still great at communicating and deserve as much support and respect as a graduate.
I’m guess I’m trying to say that language is used differently by different people. So I really hope that nobody is put off reaching out by reading this thread!
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It’s not important whether you type “loose weight” or “lose weight”... all that really matters is a calorie deficit!30
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diannethegeek wrote: »
Thanks Dianne, excellent, thoughtful read.3 -
Ive seen some people where its definately "loose" weight. That stuff be jigglin' and movin all over the place....lol13
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Quite a few common errors hit a minor raw nerve for me. ("Per say", a new exercise "regiment", "Wallah"/voila, phased/fazed, flare/flair, . . . . I could go on a long time, but won't.)
But I'm mostly a retired language peever: I don't really see the point of bringing it up, outside of forums (or threads ) focused on writing, editing, or grammar, except as necessary to clarify meaning (which is rarely - almost never - necessary). In my semi-dotage, I've come to think of language peevery as largely a class marker . . . not "upper" class so much as aspirational. Certainly, that's where the impulse comes from in me, as a first-gen college graduate from a book-smart but under-credentialed blue collar family.
I loved the Marcus Aurelius quote in the comments to the linked blog article:“From Alexander the Grammarian, [I learned] not to be captious; nor in a carping spirit find fault with those who import into their conversation any expression which is barbarous or ungrammatical or mispronounced, but tactfully to bring in the very expression, that ought to have been used, by way of answer, or as it were in joint support of the assertion, or as a joint consideration of the thing itself and not of the language, or by some such graceful reminder.” – Meditations I. 10, trans. C. R. Haines6 -
Quite a few common errors hit a minor raw nerve for me. ("Per say", a new exercise "regiment", "Wallah"/voila, phased/fazed, flare/flair, . . . . I could go on a long time, but won't.)
But I'm mostly a retired language peever: I don't really see the point of bringing it up, outside of forums (or threads ) focused on writing, editing, or grammar, except as necessary to clarify meaning (which is rarely - almost never - necessary). In my semi-dotage, I've come to think of language peevery as largely a class marker . . . not "upper" class so much as aspirational. Certainly, that's where the impulse comes from in me, as a first-gen college graduate from a book-smart but under-credentialed blue collar family.
I loved the Marcus Aurelius quote in the comments to the linked blog article:“From Alexander the Grammarian, [I learned] not to be captious; nor in a carping spirit find fault with those who import into their conversation any expression which is barbarous or ungrammatical or mispronounced, but tactfully to bring in the very expression, that ought to have been used, by way of answer, or as it were in joint support of the assertion, or as a joint consideration of the thing itself and not of the language, or by some such graceful reminder.” – Meditations I. 10, trans. C. R. Haines
I can see ole' Alexander saying, "Why yes, I have often been nervous around Canada geese, as they are quite large birds."
...or is that just me?2 -
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diannethegeek wrote: »
Thank you for that.2 -
Quite a few common errors hit a minor raw nerve for me. ("Per say", a new exercise "regiment", "Wallah"/voila, phased/fazed, flare/flair, . . . . I could go on a long time, but won't.)
But I'm mostly a retired language peever: I don't really see the point of bringing it up, outside of forums (or threads ) focused on writing, editing, or grammar, except as necessary to clarify meaning (which is rarely - almost never - necessary). In my semi-dotage, I've come to think of language peevery as largely a class marker . . . not "upper" class so much as aspirational. Certainly, that's where the impulse comes from in me, as a first-gen college graduate from a book-smart but under-credentialed blue collar family.
I loved the Marcus Aurelius quote in the comments to the linked blog article:“From Alexander the Grammarian, [I learned] not to be captious; nor in a carping spirit find fault with those who import into their conversation any expression which is barbarous or ungrammatical or mispronounced, but tactfully to bring in the very expression, that ought to have been used, by way of answer, or as it were in joint support of the assertion, or as a joint consideration of the thing itself and not of the language, or by some such graceful reminder.” – Meditations I. 10, trans. C. R. Haines
"Loose" bugs me as it seems like such a simple word, and I didn't have any idea it was a common error pre internet, and I associate it with annoying and seemingly dumb sports fans ("your team is going to loose!"). I get it for non English natives (English has plenty of oddities), but it seems more common among native English speakers, so puzzling.
I find jargon much more annoying than misspellings, however, and I'd argue that grammar in a casual setting like a forum is flexible and things like starting a sentence with And or But can be stylistically fine. The jargon that drives me nuts (in part because I pick it up) at work is usually business speak. The stuff that bugs me at MFP is weight-loss jargon -- everything is "packed with" whatever it is (sugar, fiber, protein, nutrients), people call losing 10 lbs a "journey", eating fewer cals can be a "lifestyle change". Similar is what I'd call therapy speak -- we don't have opinions or ideas, but we have "shares", etc. Ugh, seems so fake and pretentious and to suggest people are just echoing crap they read in bad magazines.
But mostly I try to look past it and chill, and of course I recognize I have annoying ticks and make mistakes too. (I know loads of people like me who read a lot but didn't actually hear all the words they read and made embarrassing mispronunciations as a result.)
That aside, I am someone who would want to know I was making an error so I could correct it. I feel that way about foreign languages I've learned and also about English (I had a boss early on who taught me "which vs. that" which I'd somehow not picked up in school, and while I still remind myself of the rule when writing formally I'm glad I know it was a mistake I am prone to make, and similarly I had someone correct me for using "a sidenote" when I meant "an aside" and I've always been grateful.) And I'm a terrible speller so don't get being so mortified by realizing I was misspelling something, let alone in a foreign language, when I think the difficulties in communication being fronted can be helpful.
Re Canada geese, I know that's correct, but Canadian doesn't bug me at all. Mostly it's been birders I know who get annoyed at the latter, and I admit to being about the opposite of a birder.
One discussion: http://languagehat.com/canadian-geese/6 -
I will criticise the spelling and grammar of others when I know mine is perfect. Until then my lips are sealed unless a post makes no sense and needs further clarification.10
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When people use abbreviations.
It takes .5 seconds to write the full word, don’t assume everyone knows what the abbreviations mean.
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claireychn074 wrote: »My pet peeve - when "peaked" is misused in "piqued my interest".We could have a great thread about punctuation / language which winds people up (I freely admit to greengrocers’ comma / apostrophe rage), but - and this is a BIG but for me - not everyone has studied English. I’ve worked with teenage carers who had to miss school to look after their mum or dad. They haven’t all had the luxury of time or funds to go to school but they’re still great at communicating and deserve as much support and respect as a graduate.
I’m guess I’m trying to say that language is used differently by different people. So I really hope that nobody is put off reaching out by reading this thread!
I had to look up what a greengrocers’ apostrophe was. That drives me nuts too!
I’m well aware that some people are dyslexic, some people don’t speak English as a first language, and some people just had a lack of educational opportunities. However, I can’t agree that a polite post, not made in response to anyone in particular, informing the world at large of a common error, is calling these people out in an offensive way. Plenty of well-educated privileged people who should know better make this mistake, whether out of carelessness or because autocorrect is a naughty little devil. Bad grammar is distracting and it does invite judgment calls about the writer. Anyone who has read this thread can no longer claim not to know better, so why not try to do better?12 -
I’ve been teaching first year college writing for five years now. Spelling and grammatical errors absolutely bother me, and yet I don’t emphasize them in my classes. If a student is making an error consistently, I will point it out, and I will start deducting points if it’s not corrected. I also penalize a paper heavily if it does not make sense due to numerous errors. However, I put far more emphasis on “higher order” writing concerns: clearly stated arguments, use of evidence, paragraph structure, etc.
The MFP boards are not my classes (for better or worse), but I have a similar philosophy here. If a post makes sense, then it’s accomplishing the author’s goal, and writing in this genre isn’t expected to be error-free. I might be a little annoyed by errors, but my annoyance is off topic here unless someone asks for writing help or is not making any sense.10 -
https://paintingthegreyarea.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/literacy-privilege/
I know it has been posted upthread but am posting it again.
Such a good article and something all of us who are tempted to correct should read and consider.
I understand difference between lose and loose and I am quite good at spelling and have no difficulty in using written communication.
But I'm not good at other things and have made plenty of stupid and 'should know better' typos, not to mention other forum gaffes like responding in wrong thread, posting in wrong section, forgetting to add link etc etc
Not to mention other skills that are easy to others and I should know better by now - but I don't.
Like reverse parking.
I know OP didn't correct anyone in particular - but I am still uncomfortable with these types of general ' this is a common mistake ' threads.
People who are not good at spelling and/or confident at posting can still feel intimidated and wary of posting, knowing they are one of the people who make such mistakes which others think makes them look lazy, dumb, careless etc.
Or at least it increases their perception that it makes others think that.
This is a discussion forum, not a university thesis, not a job application, not professional journalism.
Context matters - in our forum context, perfect spelling /grammar/ punctuation do not matter.15 -
I used to be this way about spelling errors when I was in my twenties but then I grew up. There are plenty of mistakes I probably make with regard to punctuation and sentence structure that would make someone else cringe. That being said, as long as the message is clear I think that's what is more important. People come to these boards for support and many are in a vulnerable position when they post; the last thing they need is to feel inadequate about something else in their life.
I'm not trying to preach as I'm not innocent either; I'm very direct in my writing and sometimes I lack sensitivity when I post. I have been trying to improve with regard to that and realize that tough love is not always the best approach. Again, the overall message is more important. If someone's post is illegible we can always request that they clarify their intent. I also recommend reading the article that was linked; it's eye-opening. I'm not even a sensitive person and the checklist almost made me cry. It's easy to take the capabilities we're fortunate enough to have for granted.5 -
I want a time machine just to check if "loose" will become an acceptable alternate spelling 100 years down the road. It would be amusing and fascinating. I'm more fascinated than peeved by the "misuse" of language because it's like watching evolution as it happens. Some terms get naturally selected against due to lack of popularity, some are popular in short bursts, some mistakes become so prevalent that they are considered correct, and some correct terms fall out of favor and become archaic.
Outside of my weird obsession with the evolution of language, communication is much more important to me. As long as I understand what someone is trying to say, it doesn't matter how they spell certain words. English is my third language so I'm pretty sure I've made a boatload of mistakes, but because I value communication, I try to pick my words. I don't pay as much attention to my grammar or spelling as I do to getting my ideas across.11
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