UPDATE, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED
sefajane1
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So, I've been quiet lately, hoping to come back with good news. There is none, other than the fact that today I made an appointment with the lead mental health specialist at our local hospital. I've been putting this off but I realise that it's needed.
BMI as of the last 2 days - 16.5, although it was 16.1 last week (fluctuations, not fat). That's 5.4lbs down since I last posted (August 7th).
The earliest date I can get is September 4. It's better than nothing.
Many thanks to everyone that commented and advised on my previous threads, it's very true that "sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees".
BMI as of the last 2 days - 16.5, although it was 16.1 last week (fluctuations, not fat). That's 5.4lbs down since I last posted (August 7th).
The earliest date I can get is September 4. It's better than nothing.
Many thanks to everyone that commented and advised on my previous threads, it's very true that "sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees".
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Sorry you have to wait but I'm glad you are being proactive!5
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Thanks for giving us the update. I think a lot of people really are interested and care.6
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Well done for making such a huge step forward. That takes courage. You can do this!7
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Sending you a gentle hug and wishing you the best. 💟1
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I think you're doing the right thing. I hope this will be a productive and transformational step for you, in the direction of peace and happiness. I hope you'll keep us posted on progress. :flowerforyou:4
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I’m proud of you for making the appointment. Now your next step is to *keep* the appointment. And I know you can do it.6
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Thanks for your kind words and encouragement everyone 😊 It's taken me a long time ro realise that my weight loss efforts were beyond "normal". I just didn't think I would ever let myself get like this again but, I do want to stop it before it gets out of hand so I will keep my appointment, definitely. I just hope and pray that he speaks English or I'm buggered because my Turkish isn't good enough for something like this 😕
I'll update this thread as and when 👍
Oh, today's ZBMI is 16.312 -
I've just had an email from the hospital, my doctor has had to cancel the appointment (no explanation why) and there's only 1 other psychiatrist on the online booking system. He's got no appointments until October.
Today's BMI is 15.918 -
I've been regularly checking the online appointment system and my original doctor now has appointments free for 16th September. I've booked one 👍
BMI is still 15.9 but I'm expecting a change tomorrow.7 -
I've been regularly checking the online appointment system and my original doctor now has appointments free for 16th September. I've booked one 👍
BMI is still 15.9 but I'm expecting a change tomorrow.
I think you should go to hospital and be evaluated instead of just using an online system. They may be able to bump you up in line if you do.6 -
cmriverside wrote: »I've been regularly checking the online appointment system and my original doctor now has appointments free for 16th September. I've booked one 👍
BMI is still 15.9 but I'm expecting a change tomorrow.
I think you should go to hospital and be evaluated instead of just using an online system. They may be able to bump you up in line if you do.
It's impossible to see a doctor without an appointment unfortunately. The system here is ridiculously irritating re; appointments - you can go direct to the relevant department secretary and be told you must call the appointment telephone number. When you call the number you are told you must go to the department secretary 🤯
The online system is new (first time we've tried to use it) and doesn't seem to be as straightforward as it could/should be.
I've got an appointment with the endocrinology department on 6th September as my last CT scan showed a polyp on my thyroid. I'm presuming that blood tests will be required (?), maybe all will show that I'm well 🤔4 -
cmriverside wrote: »I've been regularly checking the online appointment system and my original doctor now has appointments free for 16th September. I've booked one 👍
BMI is still 15.9 but I'm expecting a change tomorrow.
I think you should go to hospital and be evaluated instead of just using an online system. They may be able to bump you up in line if you do.
It's impossible to see a doctor without an appointment unfortunately. The system here is ridiculously irritating re; appointments - you can go direct to the relevant department secretary and be told you must call the appointment telephone number. When you call the number you are told you must go to the department secretary 🤯
The online system is new (first time we've tried to use it) and doesn't seem to be as straightforward as it could/should be.
I've got an appointment with the endocrinology department on 6th September as my last CT scan showed a polyp on my thyroid. I'm presuming that blood tests will be required (?), maybe all will show that I'm well 🤔
Please tell whatever medical profession you see on Sept. 6 that you are underweight and are still losing weight and that you need help to address this before it gets any worse.
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Sending hugs. You know we care. Please take any positive action you can while waiting!4
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I've been regularly checking the online appointment system and my original doctor now has appointments free for 16th September. I've booked one 👍
BMI is still 15.9 but I'm expecting a change tomorrow.
I think you should go to hospital and be evaluated instead of just using an online system. They may be able to bump you up in line if you do.
It's impossible to see a doctor without an appointment unfortunately. The system here is ridiculously irritating re; appointments - you can go direct to the relevant department secretary and be told you must call the appointment telephone number. When you call the number you are told you must go to the department secretary 🤯
The online system is new (first time we've tried to use it) and doesn't seem to be as straightforward as it could/should be.
I've got an appointment with the endocrinology department on 6th September as my last CT scan showed a polyp on my thyroid. I'm presuming that blood tests will be required (?), maybe all will show that I'm well 🤔
Please tell whatever medical profession you see on Sept. 6 that you are underweight and are still losing weight and that you need help to address this before it gets any worse.
Yes, I was planning to mention it because that knowledge may need to be factored into any tests they'll do 👍6 -
BMI today is still 15.9. I don't understand why ☹️2
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OP if I remember from your previous thread you are in turkey but originally from UK? Can you fly home for a few months and get NHS treatment?
Treatment for an eating disorder is going to be talking based. Is that going to be an option for you if you stay where you are? Can you speak Turkish well enough or are there English speaking psychotherapists over there?
Apologies if I have misremembered.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
No way am I eating at or anywhere near maintenance. I know the MFP rules/guidelines on these matters so I'm not going to say what my daily calorie intake is but it is NOT maintenance.
Using the past 8 weeks data my maintenance works out at 1700 calories/day. I'm consuming considerably less than that. I'm expecting a whoosh any day now.0 -
cupcakesandproteinshakes wrote: »OP if I remember from your previous thread you are in turkey but originally from UK? Can you fly home for a few months and get NHS treatment?
Treatment for an eating disorder is going to be talking based. Is that going to be an option for you if you stay where you are? Can you speak Turkish well enough or are there English speaking psychotherapists over there?
Apologies if I have misremembered.
That's correct, I'm out in the sticks in Turkey. I wouldn't be entitled to or deserve free NHS treatment now and I don't believe in adding to the already huge strain on the NHS. Also, I know what treatment is offered there and how long it takes. I just couldn't spend that long there even if it were possible.
I'm hoping that the psychiatrist I see can speak English. If not, I know that the hospital has a translator. She's not great but better than nothing.
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@sefajane1 I would rather be discussing this via PM, but last time I tried to send you one you didn't get it!
Dear lurker: Below I will discussing the death of someone from malnutrition. You may want to avoid reading if you're not in the mental frame for something like that.
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At some point during severe enough malnutrition the scales may stop accurately reflecting what is happening.
Edema can actually increase your weight while you're dying from lack of adequate intake, and edema seems to be quite common when body organs start to fail.
Based on your eating and activity history this past year you are heading there unless you start acting as opposed to just observing.
When a close relative of mine died of cancer induced malnutrition in February she looked thin but not extremely thin. Her BMI would have been considered "normal". Of course most of her "body" consisted of ascites and edema.
Worrying about being a burden to the NHS is a cop-out, and you're smart enough to know it.
Maybe you would not qualify. Maybe they would be too slow to help. If that's the case, then you can't do anything about it. But lifting your hands and saying I don't want to be a burden to them? No lady: that's neither your business, nor should it be your concern!
YOUR business and concern is fighting for your life regardless of who that burdens, and you're just not, to date, attaining the level of fight you need to!
Do you have the resources to engage privately with a therapist in another country via web/video/phone/tele-medicine? Do you have relatives and friends in Turkey or even back home? What is their take on all this?
I went to NEDA's web site https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/. They have online chat with volunteers who can connect you with resources. They have a provider page (find treatment on the left hand sidebar). 2/2 providers I randomly clicked on offer phone/video based therapy. NEDA has support forums and even a slack group...
Randomly off the internet: 7cups.com (therapy bot to hook you up: https://www.7cups.com/member/connect/conversation.php?c=Sophia)
Based on a quora answer: DoctorInsta - Android. Also I would consider YourDost where they don't mention ED's but they do *seem* to hook you up with Psychologists in India at less than 70 Turkish Lira an hour for a video call. https://yourdost.com/bookAppointment I would do some vetting, of course as to who I would be dealing with...37 -
Big hugs1
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I have nothing to add except that Pav, as usual, nailed it.5
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@sefajane1 I would rather be discussing this via PM, but last time I tried to send you one you didn't get it!
@PAV8888 my understanding is that you now have to be "friends" in order to get PMs - did you first try sending her a friend request?1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »@sefajane1 I would rather be discussing this via PM, but last time I tried to send you one you didn't get it!
@PAV8888 my understanding is that you now have to be "friends" in order to get PMs - did you first try sending her a friend request?
Very recent? I got a message from PAV on 8/4, and we're not friends . . . I mean, technically, on MFP not friends, because obviously I think he's swell.
IME, PM is not super reliable, friends or no.6 -
I've sent out PM's before and some people responded while others did not--but I didn't consider that they might not have received the message! I stopped adding friends a few years back, so it would make me sad if this is a new requirement!0
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I've sent out PM's before and some people responded while others did not--but I didn't consider that they might not have received the message! I stopped adding friends a few years back, so it would make me sad if this is a new requirement!
If only @CyberTone were still providing tech support...3 -
@sefajane1 I would rather be discussing this via PM, but last time I tried to send you one you didn't get it!
Dear lurker: Below I will discussing the death of someone from malnutrition. You may want to avoid reading if you're not in the mental frame for something like that.
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.
.
.
.
.
.
.
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.
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.
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.
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.
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.
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At some point during severe enough malnutrition the scales may stop accurately reflecting what is happening.
Edema can actually increase your weight while you're dying from lack of adequate intake, and edema seems to be quite common when body organs start to fail.
Based on your eating and activity history this past year you are heading there unless you start acting as opposed to just observing.
When a close relative of mine died of cancer induced malnutrition in February she looked thin but not extremely thin. Her BMI would have been considered "normal". Of course most of her "body" consisted of ascites and edema.
Worrying about being a burden to the NHS is a cop-out, and you're smart enough to know it.
Maybe you would not qualify. Maybe they would be too slow to help. If that's the case, then you can't do anything about it. But lifting your hands and saying I don't want to be a burden to them? No lady: that's neither your business, nor should it be your concern!
YOUR business and concern is fighting for your life regardless of who that burdens, and you're just not, to date, attaining the level of fight you need to!
Do you have the resources to engage privately with a therapist in another country via web/video/phone/tele-medicine? Do you have relatives and friends in Turkey or even back home? What is their take on all this?
I went to NEDA's web site https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/. They have online chat with volunteers who can connect you with resources. They have a provider page (find treatment on the left hand sidebar). 2/2 providers I randomly clicked on offer phone/video based therapy. NEDA has support forums and even a slack group...
Randomly off the internet: 7cups.com (therapy bot to hook you up: https://www.7cups.com/member/connect/conversation.php?c=Sophia)
Based on a quora answer: DoctorInsta - Android. Also I would consider YourDost where they don't mention ED's but they do *seem* to hook you up with Psychologists in India at less than 70 Turkish Lira an hour for a video call. https://yourdost.com/bookAppointment I would do some vetting, of course as to who I would be dealing with...
Thank you @PAV8888, I contacted all of those organisations that you mentioned, plus a couple of UK based ones. I had 3 webchats. I can't afford to pay for therapy or expensive calls to the US so that rules most out, straight away but beatuk did point me to their live weekly forum support group. The next one is tomorrow. If I'm back from my endocrinology appointment early enough then I will join in on that group 👍18 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
No way am I eating at or anywhere near maintenance. I know the MFP rules/guidelines on these matters so I'm not going to say what my daily calorie intake is but it is NOT maintenance.
Using the past 8 weeks data my maintenance works out at 1700 calories/day. I'm consuming considerably less than that. I'm expecting a whoosh any day now.
I'm sorry. I really misunderstood your initial post in this thread. I thought when you said you realized that you needed to see a mental health professional that you had accepted that you needed to gain weight, and that when you said you didn't understand why your BMI was the same it was because you thought it should be going up. But this sounds like you're still trying/hoping to lose more weight??
If that's the case, please, please let any medical professional you see know this, including the endocrinologist.
And please, please take to heart PAV8888's message about fighting for your life.13 -
I don't know what I can or can't say on here that'll not get my account deleted (it happened before, about 5 years ago) because I'm really NOT advocating/encouraging/whatever VLCD/eating disorders.
My head is in an absolute spin at tbe moment.
I've got the endocrinology appointment tomorrow morning to investigate my thyroid nodule. I should tell them about my eating problem.
I've got my dad coming to stay for almost 4 weeks in 6 days time.
I've got my psych' appointment on tbe 16th.
Since I made tge psych' appointment I've been trying to get a lower BMI - Just be ause I can.
I know tomorrow I'll have to mention ny eating/weight.
This scares me, so much.
I'm convincing myself that if I don't mention it tomorrow and make sure I eat more when my dad's here (for 26 fooking days!) when I'll consume more calories) I can see where my weight is at after tgat and tgen decide whetger to see tge psychiatrist.
I know that if I have tge psych' appointment on the 16th that I'll continue my quest for downward until then and during my dad's stay because, whats the point if going and then showing a weight gainm? They wont take me seriously and i may lose my chance of getting help.
I think its best to wait, see wgere im at after my dad goes home, see how i feel about eating and THEN see if i need any help.
Sorry, if this makes no sense, im just panicking about tomorrow and what it may lead to and also telling my husband of the change of plan. I needed to get it out, IYKWIM?11
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