Keto made me sick as a dog!
whitpauly
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Ugh never again! I was throwing up, diarrhea,dizzy and just sick from eating this way,I'll never do it again, anybody else not have this WOE work for them?
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I can’t do keto. I had my gallbladder removed several years ago and that high level of fat makes me very sick. It also seems to really spike my anxiety and in general I just felt absolutely miserable on keto. Never tried it again, definitely doesn’t work for me.6
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to me, KETO is just a another fad and miserable for most, diet of the year. The failure rate is HIGH compared to a balanced approach that doesn't require miserable restrictions. Find me a cardiologist that would say it is a safe diet for the heart? Only a quack would say that.28
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nighthawk584 wrote: »to me, KETO is just a another fad and miserable for most, diet of the year. The failure rate is HIGH compared to a balanced approach that doesn't require miserable restrictions. Find me a cardiologist that would say it is a safe diet for the heart? Only a quack would say that.
The failure rate for all diets it high. Keto is a dietary modality that can be very effective for some and not do for others. For some, it can lower blood glucose levels and blunt hunger signalling. That being said, many studies and meta analyses have demonstrated that there is no metabolic advantage for fat loss and, after the initial water weight loss, is no more effective at weight reduction that any other dietary modality. It all comes down to energy balance no matter what dietary modality you employ.
OP, keto is not necessary and sounds like it's not for you. My question would be though, were you intentional about electrolyte intake when starting? That can be the source of many issues for those embarking on a keto way of eating.
FTR, I am not a practitioner of a keto diet. I eat a balanced, mildly low carb diet with a focus on protein and fibrous fruits and veggies. I have done just fine losing almost 40 lbs with this method.24 -
nighthawk584 wrote: »to me, KETO is just a another fad and miserable for most, diet of the year. The failure rate is HIGH compared to a balanced approach that doesn't require miserable restrictions. Find me a cardiologist that would say it is a safe diet for the heart? Only a quack would say that.
I would be too embarrassed to even bring it up with a doctor, especially a cardiologist, that I was eating 70 % fat. I already know what any of them would say. It would not be a pleasant conversation and I would feel like a fool.14 -
nighthawk584 wrote: »to me, KETO is just a another fad and miserable for most, diet of the year. The failure rate is HIGH compared to a balanced approach that doesn't require miserable restrictions. Find me a cardiologist that would say it is a safe diet for the heart? Only a quack would say that.
The failure rate for all diets it high. Keto is a dietary modality that can be very effective for some and not do for others. For some, it can lower blood glucose levels and blunt hunger signalling. That being said, many studies and meta analyses have demonstrated that there is no metabolic advantage for fat loss and, after the initial water weight loss, is no more effective at weight reduction that any other dietary modality. It all comes down to energy balance no matter what dietary modality you employ.
OP, keto is not necessary and sounds like it's not for you. My question would be though, were you intentional about electrolyte intake when starting? That can be the source of many issues for those embarking on a keto way of eating.
FTR, I am not a practitioner of a keto diet. I eat a balanced, mildly low carb diet with a focus on protein and fibrous fruits and veggies. I have done just fine losing almost 40 lbs with this method.
that is fair...that being said, my Doctor put me on 100 carb diet (I'm sure she got this basic info from her 2 nutrition classes) and said nothing about staying at a calorie deficit.. I did this and even went lower to around 50-75 carbs. and put myself on deficit. 77 lbs later and still losing, I am now eating 150-250 carbs a day and my A1C dropped from 6.1 last april to 5.2 just two weeks ago. Cholesterol went from 228 to 151! can't imagine anywhere near the success on KETO and a high fat diet, let alone being miserable as hell on such low carbs!5 -
Keto doesn't necessarily have to be 70% fat, although that is how many practice it. Protein can be increased and offset the fat intake. But it will be higher fat. As long as those fats are not a high degree of saturated fats, I don't think cardiologist would have an issue. There certainly doesn't seem to be any speaking out against it.
Also, except in the care of genetically high responders, dietary fat and cholesterol have little to do with serum cholesterol, the indicator of heart disease. The limpid hypothesis of heart disease has been largely debunked. Look up The Framingham Study, the longest running study of a large number of participants. It's been gathering data since 1947 IIRC, sponsored by the American Heart Association and there has been no ties found to dietary fat and cholesterol and increased heart disease with the exception of individuals that have a familial genetic history.
That being said, for me, I don't find fat satisfying and high fat would not be my prefered way to eat.15 -
nighthawk584 wrote: »nighthawk584 wrote: »to me, KETO is just a another fad and miserable for most, diet of the year. The failure rate is HIGH compared to a balanced approach that doesn't require miserable restrictions. Find me a cardiologist that would say it is a safe diet for the heart? Only a quack would say that.
The failure rate for all diets it high. Keto is a dietary modality that can be very effective for some and not do for others. For some, it can lower blood glucose levels and blunt hunger signalling. That being said, many studies and meta analyses have demonstrated that there is no metabolic advantage for fat loss and, after the initial water weight loss, is no more effective at weight reduction that any other dietary modality. It all comes down to energy balance no matter what dietary modality you employ.
OP, keto is not necessary and sounds like it's not for you. My question would be though, were you intentional about electrolyte intake when starting? That can be the source of many issues for those embarking on a keto way of eating.
FTR, I am not a practitioner of a keto diet. I eat a balanced, mildly low carb diet with a focus on protein and fibrous fruits and veggies. I have done just fine losing almost 40 lbs with this method.
that is fair...that being said, my Doctor put me on 100 carb diet (I'm sure she got this basic info from her 2 nutrition classes) and said nothing about staying at a calorie deficit.. I did this and even went lower to around 50-75 carbs. and put myself on deficit. 77 lbs later and still losing, I am now eating 150-250 carbs a day and my A1C dropped from 6.1 last april to 5.2 just two weeks ago. Cholesterol went from 228 to 151! can't imagine anywhere near the success on KETO and a high fat diet, let alone being miserable as hell on such low carbs!
Nice work! Many get the same BG reduction and blood lipids improvements from just lower carb without going full keto, but the most important things is the weight/body fat reduction.
I typically eat between 100 and 150 grams of carbs. Not necessarily with any intention. It's just my preferred dietary makeup that is most satisfying.3 -
Keto isn't necessary for weight loss obviously - but it sounds like you didn't do the research on electrolyte supplementing when you started. That would have lessened, if not completely alleviated, a lot of the symptoms you experienced.8
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i think we are all different, I get sick on weight watchers, never heard anyone else do this but I think I did not have enough fat in my diet and probably ate my points in not so healthy foods. I started throwing up thinking maybe it is my gallbadder, No, when I started eating regularly again I was fine. I ate too regular and put 40 lbs on but I went low carb 100 gr and it suited me fine. I dont do keto or whole30 like my friend, too restrictive for me4
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I did a short run of "Keto" as part of fasting sugar out of my diet for a month. The first week seemed ok, week two was rough and by end of the third week I was ok. By end of week four I was fine with it. I did reintroduce a more balanced carb intake but remained low sugar. I borrowed a blood glucose monitor from a diabetic family member and found there is notable change and steadiness from the keto platform. Doesn't mean it's the only solution.
If you weren't low sugar before, don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal.5 -
I put my fat basset hound on keto and it made him sick as a human.
He's now on Purina light, and doing well.
The keto fad seems to be slowly losing momentum and is being replaced with intermittent fasting.5 -
It makes me very sick too. Truthfully it's not sustainable for me anyway so I shouldn't have even tried it. I also have no gall bladder so I bought ox bile tablets and they didn't help. The only people who should use this diet are those who need it for medical reasons or those who feel they can sustain the eating style indefinately. I was romanced by the quick weight loss promises. In my heart I knew I couldn't keep it up forever even if it had not made me sick. Over the years I tried pretty much all the low carb diets and lost on most of them until my gall bladder was removed but I never sustained the loss. I have managed to lose and keep most of it off on low calorie.2
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That was exactly my experience with keto. One day of higher fat eating left me with a week of nausea, vomiting, indigestion....it was horrific!3
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I absolutely had some problems in the beginning when I started keto. I did lose those first pounds fairly easily so I decided to stick with it and work out the problems I was having. The scariest was when my heart just felt really off and I was extremely lethargic. I googled and discovered I was most likely potassium deficient. I fixed that and felt much better. I'm so glad I did too because from my symptoms I was definitely hospital bound. Another really weird thing that happened was I suddenly had lost my spatial perception. This made for a very bad weekend when I had to drive a few hundred miles for a trip and I felt like I was going to crash the whole time. Never been so stressed out. It was worse when I had to drive in the dark. After this episode I increased my carbs to 50 total and didn't worry about counting net. This seemed to fix the problem. I don't know what was going on in my brain but I think maybe I had cut my carbs too much and my body was not getting the glucose it needed because my body wasn't able to create all the ketones it needed. Just my guess though. I've now been low carb for 2 years and it really is just my preferred way of eating. I can't say I'm "Keto" because my macros are 15% (total carbs) 60% fat and 25% protein and if I claim to be keto the keto police will come for me. That being said, I AM in ketosis and fat adapted, so they can call it whatever they want. I've reached my goal weight and still losing. Even on days I don't have time to track my meals, when I go back and enter them I hit my macros almost exactly. Tortue diet? No, it feels almost effortless. I do enjoy the occasional feast day or carb reload or days. This is also a big no to strict keto people but I LOVE carbs and food and I have learned that I CAN have it all. I'm in control of my keto, keto is not in control of me.6
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I have heard from a lot of people that either get real sick on Keto or they have great success but can't sustain, end up gaining back weight. Another fad diet... let's see how they re-brand it next year once its run its course.5
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My sister does Keto quite successfully. She calls it the "Healing Diet", and she is a big promoter of Maria Emmerich and her cookbooks, etc. I have tried it and found it was just too much fat. I never thought I had a fat belly, and I do now, and yes, I'm 61 years old, and it was maybe bound to happen at some time. I really do want to lose weight (40-50 pounds), and I am just really struggling. I did WW for years and this summer I signed up for Noom because my brother dropped like 80 pounds in 6 months. I am 12 weeks in and down about 6# which is something, but they have you weigh every day, and I get discouraged because my scale will stay the say literally for 10 days-2 weeks.5
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nighthawk584 wrote: »to me, KETO is just a another fad and miserable for most, diet of the year. The failure rate is HIGH compared to a balanced approach that doesn't require miserable restrictions. Find me a cardiologist that would say it is a safe diet for the heart? Only a quack would say that.
I would be too embarrassed to even bring it up with a doctor, especially a cardiologist, that I was eating 70 % fat. I already know what any of them would say. It would not be a pleasant conversation and I would feel like a fool.
Actually I have known patients who were recommended by their physician to do keto for weight loss (most of them because their own physician was doing it as well and we all know n=1 is legitimate). The problem with most practitioners is they have no formal nutritional education and only know what they have read (either legitimate sources or the magazines in the check out) or from TV.6 -
I had the same experience with daily weighing. Some folks swear by it but it just depressed me. I weigh once a week. Good luck.AndreaH1958 wrote: »I am 12 weeks in and down about 6# which is something, but they have you weigh every day, and I get discouraged because my scale will stay the say literally for 10 days-2 weeks.
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gemiller87 wrote: »I did a short run of "Keto" as part of fasting sugar out of my diet for a month. The first week seemed ok, week two was rough and by end of the third week I was ok. By end of week four I was fine with it. I did reintroduce a more balanced carb intake but remained low sugar. I borrowed a blood glucose monitor from a diabetic family member and found there is notable change and steadiness from the keto platform. Doesn't mean it's the only solution.
If you weren't low sugar before, don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal.
While some people have difficulty moderating sugar, calling it one of the most addicting substances in the world is just specious, false hyperbole.23 -
I love fat, but too much of it and I feel nauseous.
I like moderate carbs, fat, and protein, so have no interest in trying keto.
I may do an experiment with limiting added sugar for a month just to be able to comment on statements like this from my own n=1:gemiller87 wrote: »...If you weren't low sugar before, don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal.1 -
gemiller87 wrote: »I did a short run of "Keto" as part of fasting sugar out of my diet for a month. The first week seemed ok, week two was rough and by end of the third week I was ok. By end of week four I was fine with it. I did reintroduce a more balanced carb intake but remained low sugar. I borrowed a blood glucose monitor from a diabetic family member and found there is notable change and steadiness from the keto platform. Doesn't mean it's the only solution.
If you weren't low sugar before, don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal.
While some people have difficulty moderating sugar, calling it one of the most addicting substances in the world is just specious, false hyperbole.
Unfortunately science in general disagrees with you even though health people definitely stretch the truth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug
https://www.newhallhospital.co.uk/news/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281920449_Is_sugar_more_addictive_than_cocaine
Now if you're referring to the bodies need for it to grow like a narcotic to keep the same "high" is a different argument and obviously the "damaging side" of addiction is far from comparable and grossly exaggerated to a legit drug addiction, but it's addictive tendencies are stronger than you are willing to admit.
Sugar actives the brains reward system like a drug releasing dopamine. In this regard the body does grow its "need" of sugar for the dopamine release, but its not a functional requirement for bodily systems like some other drug addictions. The chemical response to sugar is one of the reasons sugary snacks are closely tied to emotional eating, they release the drug effect making it a soothing response.
It's important to acknowledge also that a change in your blood sugar patterns affects how you feel, so a big change in sugar intake will change how you you feel straight up.
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Ugh never again! I was throwing up, diarrhea,dizzy and just sick from eating this way,I'll never do it again, anybody else not have this WOE work for them?
You might want to get your gallbladder checked out. As others have said, they can’t do keto because they had thier gallbladder removed and high fat makes them sick (I’m one of those people). When you have gallstones you can have the symptoms when you heat something high in fat, symptoms which are exactly what you described (you might also have pain in your abdomen or mid back back around where your liver is). Having gallstones doesn’t necessarily mean the gallbladder needs to be removed but it’s good to know if you have them so you can avoid the goods that cause issues or can make the gallstones worse. Unfortunately two of the lesser known causes of gallstones is rapid weight loss (my boyfriend and I both had our gallbladders removed for this reason) and use of birthcontrol pills. Just something to keep in mind.3 -
I absolutely had some problems in the beginning when I started keto. I did lose those first pounds fairly easily so I decided to stick with it and work out the problems I was having. The scariest was when my heart just felt really off and I was extremely lethargic. I googled and discovered I was most likely potassium deficient. I fixed that and felt much better. I'm so glad I did too because from my symptoms I was definitely hospital bound. Another really weird thing that happened was I suddenly had lost my spatial perception. This made for a very bad weekend when I had to drive a few hundred miles for a trip and I felt like I was going to crash the whole time. Never been so stressed out. It was worse when I had to drive in the dark. After this episode I increased my carbs to 50 total and didn't worry about counting net. This seemed to fix the problem. I don't know what was going on in my brain but I think maybe I had cut my carbs too much and my body was not getting the glucose it needed because my body wasn't able to create all the ketones it needed. Just my guess though. I've now been low carb for 2 years and it really is just my preferred way of eating. I can't say I'm "Keto" because my macros are 15% (total carbs) 60% fat and 25% protein and if I claim to be keto the keto police will come for me. That being said, I AM in ketosis and fat adapted, so they can call it whatever they want. I've reached my goal weight and still losing. Even on days I don't have time to track my meals, when I go back and enter them I hit my macros almost exactly. Tortue diet? No, it feels almost effortless. I do enjoy the occasional feast day or carb reload or days. This is also a big no to strict keto people but I LOVE carbs and food and I have learned that I CAN have it all. I'm in control of my keto, keto is not in control of me.
Those are likely perfectly good keto macros, especially when you were at a deficit, even though some will claim that lower is necessary (and not like being in ketosis really matters, it's likely just the low carb that makes it more sustainable/reduces hunger for some).
When I tried it out I looked at a lot of sources and saw that 50 g net was probably ketosis for a reasonably active person of my size. I tried for 50 g total, found it impossible (I eat a lot of vegetables), so went with no more than 35 g net, 60 g total, which worked out to about 15% at 1600. Protein at 100 g (or 25%), and then fat at 60%, so same as you.
I didn't find it difficult, although I missed some of the carbs I'd been eating (like fruit, potatoes, beans and lentils) and consider them healthy, so didn't stick with it (I'd been happy with my diet pre keto, and was just doing it as an experiment). With healthy sources of fat (limiting sat fat) and keeping the carbs mostly non starchy veg plus nuts and seeds and occasional greek yogurt, I found it to be a reasonably healthful way of eating, although more restrictive than my prior way. I added some salt to my diet when first transitioning, and didn't ever feel sick.
For whatever it's worth, macro percentages don't seem to matter much for me -- I felt find on that diet and have on lower fat diets too.3 -
Personally for me, I’m not a fan of a “diet” that demonizes certain fruits and vegetables. I’m never giving up my potatoes and bananas 🤷♀️18
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gemiller87 wrote: »gemiller87 wrote: »I did a short run of "Keto" as part of fasting sugar out of my diet for a month. The first week seemed ok, week two was rough and by end of the third week I was ok. By end of week four I was fine with it. I did reintroduce a more balanced carb intake but remained low sugar. I borrowed a blood glucose monitor from a diabetic family member and found there is notable change and steadiness from the keto platform. Doesn't mean it's the only solution.
If you weren't low sugar before, don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal.
While some people have difficulty moderating sugar, calling it one of the most addicting substances in the world is just specious, false hyperbole.
Unfortunately science in general disagrees with you even though health people definitely stretch the truth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug
https://www.newhallhospital.co.uk/news/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281920449_Is_sugar_more_addictive_than_cocaine
Now if you're referring to the bodies need for it to grow like a narcotic to keep the same "high" is a different argument and obviously the "damaging side" of addiction is far from comparable and grossly exaggerated to a legit drug addiction, but it's addictive tendencies are stronger than you are willing to admit.
Sugar actives the brains reward system like a drug releasing dopamine. In this regard the body does grow its "need" of sugar for the dopamine release, but its not a functional requirement for bodily systems like some other drug addictions. The chemical response to sugar is one of the reasons sugary snacks are closely tied to emotional eating, they release the drug effect making it a soothing response.
It's important to acknowledge also that a change in your blood sugar patterns affects how you feel, so a big change in sugar intake will change how you you feel straight up.
Rat study. The problem is the effect that pure sugar might have on a rat may not translate to having sugar as part of meal in humans.19 -
Rat study. The problem is the effect that pure sugar might have on a rat may not translate to having sugar as part of meal in humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6234835/ if you'd like to read more about its relation to human biology direct from the US Library of Medicine rather than just say "rats mean its invalid"... Either way i'm done with this discussion. Some of you are so set on "fake news" because of some exaggerated statements you are unwilling to look for the grains of truth in it.
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What you are describing is what is commonly referred to as the "Keto Flu". It comes from an electrolyte imbalance that comes from the drastic cut in carbs. This can sometimes be lessened by increasing electrolyte intake. The symptoms last a couple of days to a couple of weeks, and then it balances itself out.
However there is no reason to put yourself through that for weight loss, as weight loss comes from a calorie deficit, and you can still eat plenty of carbs and lose weight. I've lost 40 pounds, at times eating 300+ grams of carbs per day.6 -
gemiller87 wrote: »Rat study. The problem is the effect that pure sugar might have on a rat may not translate to having sugar as part of meal in humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6234835/ if you'd like to read more about its relation to human biology direct from the US Library of Medicine rather than just say "rats mean its invalid"... Either way i'm done with this discussion. Some of you are so set on "fake news" because of some exaggerated statements you are unwilling to look for the grains of truth in it.
A couple of studies suggesting it might be a thing in no way translates to "don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal". If you're going to post hyperbole in a thread here, you're going to get push-back. If you drastically change the amount of sugar in your diet, there will be physical side effects. I'm gonna guess meth addiction and withdrawal is a little worse. There are currently researchers doing studies to see if sugar is physically or behaviorally addictive. That doesn't mean it's proven scientific fact... that takes years and dozens of peer reviewed and replicated studies showing a clear link with little or no conflicting data.Ugh never again! I was throwing up, diarrhea,dizzy and just sick from eating this way,I'll never do it again, anybody else not have this WOE work for them?
I tend to overeat higher fat foods (like nuts and cheese) and always feel tired and bloated after a higher fat meal, so honestly I wouldn't even put myself through trying it. I also don't like eating much more protein than I already do.
That does kind of sound like keto flu though, so I wonder if you were monitoring your salt and potassium intake? Anyway, keto is an extreme way of eating, so of course there are people who don't succeed on it. If you have reason to think limiting carbs will help you, maybe just do a less extreme low carb. Some people do better in the 50-100g area.9 -
gemiller87 wrote: »gemiller87 wrote: »I did a short run of "Keto" as part of fasting sugar out of my diet for a month. The first week seemed ok, week two was rough and by end of the third week I was ok. By end of week four I was fine with it. I did reintroduce a more balanced carb intake but remained low sugar. I borrowed a blood glucose monitor from a diabetic family member and found there is notable change and steadiness from the keto platform. Doesn't mean it's the only solution.
If you weren't low sugar before, don't forget that sugar is one of the most addicting substances in the world and removal of it truly can feel like withdrawal.
While some people have difficulty moderating sugar, calling it one of the most addicting substances in the world is just specious, false hyperbole.
Unfortunately science in general disagrees with you even though health people definitely stretch the truth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug
https://www.newhallhospital.co.uk/news/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281920449_Is_sugar_more_addictive_than_cocaine
Now if you're referring to the bodies need for it to grow like a narcotic to keep the same "high" is a different argument and obviously the "damaging side" of addiction is far from comparable and grossly exaggerated to a legit drug addiction, but it's addictive tendencies are stronger than you are willing to admit.
Sugar actives the brains reward system like a drug releasing dopamine. In this regard the body does grow its "need" of sugar for the dopamine release, but its not a functional requirement for bodily systems like some other drug addictions. The chemical response to sugar is one of the reasons sugary snacks are closely tied to emotional eating, they release the drug effect making it a soothing response.
It's important to acknowledge also that a change in your blood sugar patterns affects how you feel, so a big change in sugar intake will change how you you feel straight up.
Re the bolded, so does petting puppies. Would you call that addictive. And the very next sentence " but its not a functional requirement for bodily systems like some other drug addictions." So, by your own words, it is not addicting.
3 articles referencing the same rat study and a study abstract without the details of the study, eg. number of participants, length, methodology, is what you call proof? Sorry, not buying it.14 -
gemiller87 wrote: »Rat study. The problem is the effect that pure sugar might have on a rat may not translate to having sugar as part of meal in humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6234835/ if you'd like to read more about its relation to human biology direct from the US Library of Medicine rather than just say "rats mean its invalid"... Either way i'm done with this discussion. Some of you are so set on "actual proof sources" because you prefer facts and truth in it.
Fixed it for you.6
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