Stop trying to kill other MFPers - the salt issue
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I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M4 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
Delicious!
I save it to sprinkle on finishing favorite dishes, and my homemade caramels for Christmas.4 -
missysippy930 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
Delicious!
I save it to sprinkle on finishing favorite dishes, and my homemade caramels for Christmas.
Try flakes on watermelon, tomato slices, salmon sauteed in butter and finished with the Maldon Flakes. Or just flakes on the tip of the finger. Ignorant alarmism about sodium notwithstanding.4 -
"This one food is killing you, says experts."
Yeah, people hate these "headlines" too.
Btw, trainers don't actually hate that buff guy and dentists don't hate that single mom from your hometown who found the trick to teeth whitening.9 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
I do! Heard about them from someone from America's Test Kitchen I believe. I also have pink salt, grey salt, black salt, and red salt. Oh, and white salt.3 -
Spilling the salt is very bad luck!
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wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
No, that isn't true for everyone. People with cardiac conditions do have to avoid the danger of too much salt.
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paperpudding wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
No, that isn't true for everyone. People with cardiac conditions do have to avoid the danger of too much salt.
As a cardiac patient, I have been through this with my doctors at the Cleveland Clinic. A person who is retaining water puts an extra load on the heart. If not retaining water, salt does not matter. However, recent surgical recovery patients and recent heart attacks are recommended to have reduced sodium. There is a very weak clinical predicate for this but I would agree that if it is doctors order it should be followed. Everyone else? Not so much.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
I do! Heard about them from someone from America's Test Kitchen I believe. I also have pink salt, grey salt, black salt, and red salt. Oh, and white salt.
Be sure to get some powdered salt aka popcorn salt. Great for dusting baked potatoes and sticking to popcorn that has been popped without oil.3 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
Just placed an order. 😉1 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
No, that isn't true for everyone. People with cardiac conditions do have to avoid the danger of too much salt.
As a cardiac patient, I have been through this with my doctors at the Cleveland Clinic. A person who is retaining water puts an extra load on the heart. If not retaining water, salt does not matter. However, recent surgical recovery patients and recent heart attacks are recommended to have reduced sodium. There is a very weak clinical predicate for this but I would agree that if it is doctors order it should be followed. Everyone else? Not so much.
Of course not everyone else.
But those with cardiac conditions should follow medical advice and for many of those, that is reduced sodium.
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wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
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As a cardiac patient, I have been through this with my doctors at the Cleveland Clinic. A person who is retaining water puts an extra load on the heart. If not retaining water, salt does not matter. However, recent surgical recovery patients and recent heart attacks are recommended to have reduced sodium. There is a very weak clinical predicate for this but I would agree that if it is doctors order it should be followed. Everyone else? Not so much.
...https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16881-sodium--heart-health
Question: What is the difference between table salt, sea salt, and kosher salt? Is one type of salt better than the others for my heart and blood pressure?
Answer: The differences among salts are related to how they are processed, resulting in different tastes and textures. But, regardless of the type of salt, it contains 40% sodium. Any differences in sodium content are because of the volume and shape of the crystals.
Kosher and sea salt have larger crystals, which means they take up more space and, in theory, are lower in sodium by volume standards. For example:
One teaspoon of table salt weighs 6 grams and contains 2,325 mg sodium.
One teaspoon of sea salt weighs 5 grams and contains 1,872 mg sodium.
One teaspoon of kosher salt weighs 3 grams and contains 1,120 mg sodium.
Sodium is a mineral that balances the fluids in your body and regulates a number of critical body functions. If you have too much sodium in your diet, your blood pressure can increase, leading to a condition called hypertension. Sodium is also found naturally in foods.
If you are on a sodium-restricted diet it is advised that you limit or eliminate all forms of added salt from your diet. You can get plenty of sodium from the foods that you eat. If you do not have high blood pressure or heart failure and are not on a sodium restricted diet, your best choice of salt is likely kosher salt, as long as you limit the portion to less than a half teaspoon per day.
Link to this article
@wilson10102018, I can't know your intent, but the effect of false or misleading posts on this topic is real harm to real people.6 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
I did once achieve too little salt. It was high summer, and I was home-cooking literally everything I ate and never bothered to add salt. The main symptom was, oddly, that I was so thirsty. So very thirsty. No amount of fluids could sate me.
This was before Dr Google and my GP was inconvenient, so I just put up with it for a couple of weeks until my boyfriend visited, poured some salt into my palm, and asked me to taste it. It was delicious. So delicious. So very delicious. And after I added salt back to my diet, the ceaseless thirst stopped
Like most things in life, either extreme is to be avoided.11 -
Low sodium is very dangerous. Sodium is your electrolyte. Without it your kidneys die. That is about the worst thing one can do from misinformed dieting. Compulsive over eaters demonstrate the principle over and over - "if a little is good, more is better." "If less is good, even lesser is better."
That sodium "limit" can go to zero at the hand of any person who can starve themselves for two days then eat a 3 pound tub of Hummus and a whole Angelfood cake.
So the repetition of "less sodium! less sodium!" in the face of decreasing support for it is a really bad idea here.
Read about it yourself: There is very little reason for a low sodium diet. Your doctor will tell you if you should be on one. Not some shlub on a food forum.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/heart-failure-and-salt-the-great-debate-2018121815563
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@wilson10102018, I continue to assume you are not being deliberately deceitful although you use the tactics of one who is.
The central point of the article to which you link is, "Moderate sodium intake is not harmful for people with heart failure." How do I know that is the central point? Because it is in big bold blue type right in the center of the article! The author admits that the point is debated among professionals but there just is no great salt debate about whether excessive salt consumption is harmful. And 90% of Americans consume excessive amounts of sodium. The straw man argument you employ is a well-known method of disinformation.
From the Centers for Disease Control:What Do the 2015–2020 Guidelines
Say About Sodium?
The problem of eating too much sodium is covered in
the report:
n The 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans
recommend that Americans consume less than
2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium per day as part
of a healthy eating pattern.
n Based on these guidelines, the vast majority of
adults eat more sodium than they should—an
average of more than 3,400 mg each day.
Eating too much sodium puts Americans at risk for
developing serious medical conditions, like high blood
pressure, heart disease, and stroke.
From the American Heart Association9 out of 10 Americans consume too much sodium.
On average, American adults eat more than double the amount of sodium they should:
3,400 milligrams is the amount of sodium that the average American consumes.
1,500 milligrams or less is the American Heart Association's recommended daily allowance of sodium.
Where does the sodium we eat come from?
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:
65 percent comes from food bought in stores
25 percent comes from restaurants
10 percent comes from home cooking and at the table
Excess sodium increases a person's risk for high blood pressure, which can lead to heart disease and stroke.
How can I control how much sodium I eat?
Choose lower-sodium foods and cook at home more often.
Look for the Heart Check mark to find products that can help you make smarter choices about the foods you eat.
Check the nutrition facts label for the amount of sodium per serving AND the number of servings per container.
Read food labels. Assorted brands of the same food often have different sodium amounts.
From the Food and Drug Administration
So @wilson10102018, quit being a shlub.The goal is to help consumers gradually reduce their daily sodium intake to 2,300 milligrams (mg) per day. That’s about roughly one teaspoon of salt, the daily consumption amount recommended in federal dietary guidelines. Today, Americans consume an average 3,400 mg per day—almost 50 percent more than is generally recommended. That’s putting their health at risk.2 -
@wilson10102018, I continue to assume you are not being deliberately deceitful although you use the tactics of one who is.
The central point of the article to which you link is, "Moderate sodium intake is not harmful for people with heart failure." How do I know that is the central point? Because it is in big bold blue type right in the center of the article! The author admits that the point is debated among professionals but there just is no great salt debate about whether excessive salt consumption is harmful. And 90% of Americans consume excessive amounts of sodium. The straw man argument you employ is a well-known method of disinformation.
From the Centers for Disease Control:What Do the 2015–2020 Guidelines
Say About Sodium?
The problem of eating too much sodium is covered in
the report:
n The 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans
recommend that Americans consume less than
2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium per day as part
of a healthy eating pattern.
n Based on these guidelines, the vast majority of
adults eat more sodium than they should—an
average of more than 3,400 mg each day.
Eating too much sodium puts Americans at risk for
developing serious medical conditions, like high blood
pressure, heart disease, and stroke.
From the American Heart Association9 out of 10 Americans consume too much sodium.
On average, American adults eat more than double the amount of sodium they should:
3,400 milligrams is the amount of sodium that the average American consumes.
1,500 milligrams or less is the American Heart Association's recommended daily allowance of sodium.
Where does the sodium we eat come from?
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:
65 percent comes from food bought in stores
25 percent comes from restaurants
10 percent comes from home cooking and at the table
Excess sodium increases a person's risk for high blood pressure, which can lead to heart disease and stroke.
How can I control how much sodium I eat?
Choose lower-sodium foods and cook at home more often.
Look for the Heart Check mark to find products that can help you make smarter choices about the foods you eat.
Check the nutrition facts label for the amount of sodium per serving AND the number of servings per container.
Read food labels. Assorted brands of the same food often have different sodium amounts.
From the Food and Drug Administration
So @wilson10102018, quit being a shlub.The goal is to help consumers gradually reduce their daily sodium intake to 2,300 milligrams (mg) per day. That’s about roughly one teaspoon of salt, the daily consumption amount recommended in federal dietary guidelines. Today, Americans consume an average 3,400 mg per day—almost 50 percent more than is generally recommended. That’s putting their health at risk.
If you assume he's not being intentionally deceitful, why are you resorting to personal attacks, calling him a shlub?4 -
Maybe I am in the minority, but it has never even occurred to me to track my sodium intake. Calories and protein, yes, but definitely not sodium. The beauty of eating a balanced diet that doesn't overly promote or restrict certain foods is you don't need to stress about every micronutrient. That's why I would always stress everything in moderation over any specific eating style.4
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wilson10102018 wrote: »Low sodium is very dangerous.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/heart-failure-and-salt-the-great-debate-2018121815563
Nor should we listen to someone quoting an internet blog...I read the article, it was inconclusive. Yes, listen to your doctor, but today's foods are so over saturated with some form of sodium or salt derivative preservative, its pretty dang hard to not get enough. And I haven't heard of any epidemic of people keeling over from lack of it either in the news. Yes, I know, we need at least min. of 500mg daily to be healthy, but even those who fast a few days aren't likely to fall over dead from lack of it, always consult a physician, not Dr. google
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Referenced his own words. See the end of his last post. Maybe I should have put a winky emoji behind it.Carlos_421 wrote: »If you assume he's not being intentionally deceitful, why are you resorting to personal attacks, calling him a shlub?
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@wilson10102018, I continue to assume you are not being deliberately deceitful although you use the tactics of one who is.
The central point of the article to which you link is, "Moderate sodium intake is not harmful for people with heart failure." How do I know that is the central point? Because it is in big bold blue type right in the center of the article! The author admits that the point is debated among professionals but there just is no great salt debate about whether excessive salt consumption is harmful. And 90% of Americans consume excessive amounts of sodium. The straw man argument you employ is a well-known method of disinformation.
From the Centers for Disease Control:What Do the 2015–2020 Guidelines
Say About Sodium?
The problem of eating too much sodium is covered in
the report:
n The 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans
recommend that Americans consume less than
2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium per day as part
of a healthy eating pattern.
n Based on these guidelines, the vast majority of
adults eat more sodium than they should—an
average of more than 3,400 mg each day.
Eating too much sodium puts Americans at risk for
developing serious medical conditions, like high blood
pressure, heart disease, and stroke.
From the American Heart Association9 out of 10 Americans consume too much sodium.
On average, American adults eat more than double the amount of sodium they should:
3,400 milligrams is the amount of sodium that the average American consumes.
1,500 milligrams or less is the American Heart Association's recommended daily allowance of sodium.
Where does the sodium we eat come from?
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:
65 percent comes from food bought in stores
25 percent comes from restaurants
10 percent comes from home cooking and at the table
Excess sodium increases a person's risk for high blood pressure, which can lead to heart disease and stroke.
How can I control how much sodium I eat?
Choose lower-sodium foods and cook at home more often.
Look for the Heart Check mark to find products that can help you make smarter choices about the foods you eat.
Check the nutrition facts label for the amount of sodium per serving AND the number of servings per container.
Read food labels. Assorted brands of the same food often have different sodium amounts.
From the Food and Drug Administration
So @wilson10102018, quit being a shlub.The goal is to help consumers gradually reduce their daily sodium intake to 2,300 milligrams (mg) per day. That’s about roughly one teaspoon of salt, the daily consumption amount recommended in federal dietary guidelines. Today, Americans consume an average 3,400 mg per day—almost 50 percent more than is generally recommended. That’s putting their health at risk.
Wouldn’t be the first time. 🙄1 -
The last refuge of a failed argument is the personal, ad hominem attack. A little out of the ordinary here, but at least we know what you are. Now if you want to disagree that something pretty horrible can happen when sodium is way low, then cite some study that says so.0
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wilson10102018 wrote: »Low sodium is very dangerous.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/heart-failure-and-salt-the-great-debate-2018121815563
Nor should we listen to someone quoting an internet blog...I read the article, it was inconclusive. Yes, listen to your doctor, but today's foods are so over saturated with some form of sodium or salt derivative preservative, its pretty dang hard to not get enough. And I haven't heard of any epidemic of people keeling over from lack of it either in the news. Yes, I know, we need at least min. of 500mg daily to be healthy, but even those who fast a few days aren't likely to fall over dead from lack of it, always consult a physician, not Dr. google
I guess you are a low sodium advocate.
Here is the take away from an actual study if you prefer:
Previous studies have shown that low-sodium, compared to average sodium intake, is related to increased cardiovascular risk and mortality, even though low sodium intake is associated with lower blood pressure.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)30467-6/fulltext
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more so for my health issues than an actual advocate, and there are always both sides arguing one way or the opposite no matter the topic on the internet, best to let our own Dr's advise I guess
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