Stop trying to kill other MFPers - the salt issue
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cmriverside wrote: »
In technical parlance known as GIGO or garbage in garbage out.cmriverside wrote:Using foods from the database means you'll get items entered by members from all over the world, labeling isn't the same everywhere AND some people won't enter many of the nutrients.
The solution is a curated database but at this stage, there is zero chance of that being adopted here. There are other similar online programs that do limit access or in other ways manage the accuracy of the data. Some MFP members participate in the social aspect of the program but maintain their food diary elsewhere. I am among them.
Absolutely.
And MFP would lose a lot less of its members if it would differentiate between the Admin-entered items and all the other user-entered ones. Either a separate list, or bolding the text or making it a different color in the list...something.
It's not rocket surgery, but we've been saying this for years.
I thought that was the meaning of the green Verified badge next to certain foods?
A lot of those are wrong, and no, they aren't necessarily the entries that were imported from the USDA by the site creator. As a side FYI, the ones that say "USDA" are user-entered too, so really and truly, VET EVERY FOOD before you use it against either the label or the product website or the USDA site.
and this...TheMrWobbly wrote: »Fair play - the title was meant to cause a reaction as so many people don't engage, it then explained it was a bit strong.
I will keep on updating the products I see every day for everyones benefit and hope the discussion continues.
When you "update" an item, it doesn't change it for me, only you. It then becomes a part of your MY FOODS list and when you then use it on your food diary it will go into your "Recents" and "Favorites" list and will show for you with the new info. For everyone else, it stays the way it was.
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TheMrWobbly wrote: »Fair play - the title was meant to cause a reaction as so many people don't engage, it then explained it was a bit strong.
Well, you definitely got a reaction, just not the one you wanted. Life’s crazy that way. 😏9 -
"When you "update" an item, it doesn't change it for me, only you." I thought that updating entries change it for all subsequent users who select that item. I agree it won't change it if it's an entry in your Recent list and you always / only ever select entries from there but if you have to re-select for any reason, surely you'd get the updated entry?
"I thought that was the meaning of the green Verified badge next to certain foods?" The green ticks just mean an entry has been verified by sufficient people. When you look at the nutritional value of an entry it asks if it's correct. If enough people say 'Yes', it gets a green tick.The downside is that if/when the manufacturer changes the product, even if you say it's not correct, you can't change it. This is one reason why you have multiple entries for the same food product.
To the OP, I'm in the UK and regularly change the sodium values because it's obvious people have entered the salt figure that's shown on our labels. Clearly they don't register that their food label says g for grams and the MFP entry asks for mg. It is mildly irritating but, as I personally don't track sodium, I only change the entry if there's another value that I want to update. I wouldn't edit something just for the sodium value.1 -
TheMrWobbly wrote: »Fair play - the title was meant to cause a reaction as so many people don't engage, it then explained it was a bit strong.
I will keep on updating the products I see every day for everyones benefit and hope the discussion continues.
This clickbait tastes...self righteous...and salty.16 -
cmriverside wrote: »
In technical parlance known as GIGO or garbage in garbage out.cmriverside wrote:Using foods from the database means you'll get items entered by members from all over the world, labeling isn't the same everywhere AND some people won't enter many of the nutrients.
The solution is a curated database but at this stage, there is zero chance of that being adopted here. There are other similar online programs that do limit access or in other ways manage the accuracy of the data. Some MFP members participate in the social aspect of the program but maintain their food diary elsewhere. I am among them.
Absolutely.
And MFP would lose a lot less of its members if it would differentiate between the Admin-entered items and all the other user-entered ones. Either a separate list, or bolding the text or making it a different color in the list...something.
It's not rocket surgery, but we've been saying this for years.
I thought that was the meaning of the green Verified badge next to certain foods?
Unfortunately, the "verified" green check marks in the MFP database are used for both user-created entries with sufficient upvotes and admin-created entries that MFP pulled from the USDA database (no upvotes needed). To find admin entries for whole foods, I get the syntax from the USDA database and paste that into MFP.
The USDA just changed the platform for their database and it is unfortunately a little more difficult to use. For example, in order to find the entry I wanted for chicken I had to include a bunch of keywords. "chicken, breast, cooked, roasted" gave me https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/?query=chicken, breast, cooked and from that you can see the syntax for the MFP entry to use is "Chicken, broilers or fryers, breast, meat only, cooked, roasted"
Note: any MFP entry that includes "USDA" was user entered.
For packaged foods, I verify the label against what I find in MFP. (Alas, you cannot just scan with your phone and assume what you get is correct.)1 -
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TheMrWobbly wrote: »
Im sorry somebody 💩 in your Cheerios this morning. That would probably make me grumpy, too. 😒7 -
So that wasn't chocolate milk? Damn!0
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TheMrWobbly wrote: »
There's a difference between headlines and trolling on forums.
I'm not offended, but you really need to get out more.8 -
The danger with salt is too little, not too much.1
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I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M4 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
Delicious!
I save it to sprinkle on finishing favorite dishes, and my homemade caramels for Christmas.4 -
missysippy930 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
Delicious!
I save it to sprinkle on finishing favorite dishes, and my homemade caramels for Christmas.
Try flakes on watermelon, tomato slices, salmon sauteed in butter and finished with the Maldon Flakes. Or just flakes on the tip of the finger. Ignorant alarmism about sodium notwithstanding.4 -
"This one food is killing you, says experts."
Yeah, people hate these "headlines" too.
Btw, trainers don't actually hate that buff guy and dentists don't hate that single mom from your hometown who found the trick to teeth whitening.9 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
I do! Heard about them from someone from America's Test Kitchen I believe. I also have pink salt, grey salt, black salt, and red salt. Oh, and white salt.3 -
Spilling the salt is very bad luck!
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wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
No, that isn't true for everyone. People with cardiac conditions do have to avoid the danger of too much salt.
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paperpudding wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »The danger with salt is too little, not too much.
No, that isn't true for everyone. People with cardiac conditions do have to avoid the danger of too much salt.
As a cardiac patient, I have been through this with my doctors at the Cleveland Clinic. A person who is retaining water puts an extra load on the heart. If not retaining water, salt does not matter. However, recent surgical recovery patients and recent heart attacks are recommended to have reduced sodium. There is a very weak clinical predicate for this but I would agree that if it is doctors order it should be followed. Everyone else? Not so much.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I love salt
Do you have Maldon Flakes? They are the best.
https://www.amazon.com/Maldon-Sea-Salt-Flakes-ounce/dp/B00017028M
I do! Heard about them from someone from America's Test Kitchen I believe. I also have pink salt, grey salt, black salt, and red salt. Oh, and white salt.
Be sure to get some powdered salt aka popcorn salt. Great for dusting baked potatoes and sticking to popcorn that has been popped without oil.3
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