Anyone watch "The Game changers" documentary ?

To that, I'd add this question: What is the probability that peak physical performance would result from eliminating all of these somewhat diverse foods that have been key, valued dietary features (though varying in proportion) among the overwhelming majority of human groups through thousands of years of natural selection?

(And I"m a freakin' vegetarian - 45 years now! - asking this, for heaven's sake.)

Angryvegan wrote: »

There wasn't a lot of new info here. They touch on why meat and dairy gets pushed and then try to show with very small sample experiments why plant based is better. They don't try to tell everyone to go vegan, they don't get into ethics. I appreciate that.

One thing I found interesting is how they talked about our ancestors and that we assume people are mostly meat because of Bones and tools left behind and then point out that plants don't need weapons and tools to consume and that ancestors diet was likely more based on plants with some meat.. they said "science confirms" but I didn't see the evidence. Still interesting and makes sense

Whether you like best it not, it's hard to not agree that more plants is better generally for health. I wish people wouldn't get so defensive about eating plant based.

I'm not seeing people getting defensive about plant based. I think the consensus here is:
1. Vegetables good
2. Bad science is bad (IOW using cherry picked/out of context science to push a plant based agenda is bad)

A lot of it is crap.

I've heard the former MMA guy on a few podcasts making outlandish claims that go so over the top, it's difficult not to dismiss just about anything else he says. I see nothing wrong with adopting a vegan lifestyle, but don't tell me it's going to result in 50-100x performance improvements or claim that meat is actually holding elite athletes back from their real potential. That just makes me think you're selling something.

Especially when world-class athletes who have been training their entire lives while eating meat, taking various PEDs, and being about as vegan as a polar bear suddenly change diets and imply that you can get results like they did with a 100% plant-based diet. It's entirely anecdotal but it's convenient that he's now retired and has never actually trained for, fought in, or recovered from MMA fighting while vegan. Cam Newton's recovery isn't going that well either.

we also can't overlook the fact that it's produced by James Cameron, Schwarzenegger and others who have tens of millions invested in a pea-protein company.