Your relationship with food
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@Machka9 - you wrote this just earlier!
I'm very much this way and pretty much always have been. I enjoy some food, of course, but I've thought of food as calories/fuel since I was 16 or 17 years old.4 -
Pipsqueak1965 wrote: »@Machka9 - you wrote this just earlier!
I'm very much this way and pretty much always have been. I enjoy some food, of course, but I've thought of food as calories/fuel since I was 16 or 17 years old.
Yes I did ... "I enjoy some food, of course".4 -
My family is very food oriented. Every occasion, even just stopping for a visit, must have food involved.
My family also had really bad eating habits until I was older. We had nightly "snacks," which were plates piled high with chips, cheese, pepperoni, and olives.
By the time I was old enough to know better, I already had a really unhealthy relationship with food. Its something I fight against every day. Family events are still difficult.
I really enjoy food and trying new types of food. I just try to eat less of it and try not too eat too much fried food.6 -
I've come to learn that hormones and body chemistry can *deeply influence* how we experience food in general. I've been BOTH ends of the spectrum. When I was pregnant, the hormones going on made just the *smell* of cooking meat intolerable and gag inducing, and normally I'm a dedicated omnivore. When my pernicious anemia (B12 insufficiency) was undiagnosed, I was nauseated ALL THE TIME, and I was on MFP to make sure I was eating ENOUGH, after I lost 23 lbs because I wasn't paying attention to what I ate. Right now, I'm BACK on MFP because I'm recovering from iron anemia and early on I put ON 20 lbs because I stopped moving as much with a headache for a month straight, and now I'm losing weight way too fast because the iron correction has regifted me the ability to move around pain free, but my appetite is lagging behind and the "normal for me" amount of fat in my diet is suddenly causing some stomach upset.
We definitely don't all experience food in the same way, and even the *same people* may not experience food the *same way* over the course of their entire lives. MFP is a tool we can all use to help us quantify something (calories) in a way that we can understand cerebrally if our intuitive grasp has suddenly changed, or is skewed by past experiences - either good OR bad, or just... unexpected and weird.6 -
I don't think that I should have to treat food only as fuel. I think food is a special thing, but we don't treat it as a special thing when when overeat everyday and the "treats" become everyday foods. Doing it this way helps make the holidays seem even more special.13
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RelCanonical wrote: »I don't think that I should have to treat food only as fuel. I think food is a special thing, but we don't treat it as a special thing when when overeat everyday and the "treats" become everyday foods. Doing it this way helps make the holidays seem even more special.
I often tried to make ordinary weekends special with food. It was a mistake, at least for me. I also wouldn't be content to have treat food for Christmas or a couple of days around it. I would want to have treat food for 2 weeks surrounding it. Now holidays are more special because they are not diluted.
On the other end I would sometimes settle for a large caloric fast food meal (multiple burgers, large fry, large coke) when I didn't really care what I ate and wanted something fast. I realize now how foolish it was because I didn't usually even enjoy the food that much and it was high calorie.
Weight loss for me has meant learning to navigate both situations. Contain one to a reasonable amount of food while using the other as an advantage instead of just shoveling food into my mouth.
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I love food . I wake up thinking about food. I’m always having to decide not to eat or I’m pretty sure if snack none stop.4
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My mindset around food has changed drastically over the years. I grew up in South Louisiana where EVERYTHING is about food. Every get-together was centered around what decadent Cajun foods we would have. Every celebration was all about going out to dinner or getting a special dessert. "Normal" dinners were fried chicken, Chinese food, burgers with fries, and pizza, and nightly meals were always finished with ice cream. Vivre manger and laissez les bon temps rouler!
Almost all of us were overweight or obese. Everybody talked about it, but nobody succeeded in doing anything meaningful about it. My mom tried every fad diet there is, and I went along for the ride. My sister got called anorexic and at the same time was lauded for being thin. (She was VERY active.)
When I went to college and learned about nutrition, I started to change some of my habits. I learned to cook, started eating more vegetables, and exercised more. The problem was that though my knowledge changed, I felt deprived and couldn't shake the reliance I had on food. It was my comfort, my coping mechanism, my solace when I was sad and my celebration when I was happy. It was the ultimate social glue, an integral part of how I connected with others. It was always there when I was bored or procrastinating.
I went through restrict and binge cycles. My weight went up and down and back again many times. I stopped the cycle in a few different stages, and it has taken years. First I read a book that changed my life- Intuitive Eating. It helped me to stop seeing food as a moral dilemma, as "good" or "bad." It helped me to forgive myself for "failing" at diets and being overweight, including not being able to stick to a calorie restriction. It kicked off my journey to loving and accepting myself exactly as I am in this moment. It also helped me learn to distinguish between hunger and appetite for other reasons, that it was ok to honor my hunger or appetite, to "unpair" the food with the activity, and to fully enjoy what I'm eating. (Example: I don't need ice cream in front the TV every night. If I check in with myself and really do want ice cream, I should fully pay attention to it while I'm eating it so I enjoy it.) Basically, it helped me to unlearn the unhealthy mindset I grew up with.
I gained weight, but I felt better about myself. I became very active consistently, ate lots of nutritious foods, and enjoyed every aspect of my life. I accepted who I was and that I was not going to be some "ideal" thin version of myself. I was finally content.
Then I got my triglyceride levels back and realized that I was getting too overweight. I debated what to do because I didn't want to send myself back into a spiral, but I had been mentally healthy for so long that I ultimately decided it was time to act. This time I knew it would be permanent- not a diet, but a lifestyle. I was already exercising consistently, so I decided to work on calories. I restricted just enough to lose weight slowly without going insane again, about 1/2 lb a week.
It has been a year since I started that leg of the journey. I am 20+ pounds down, and I feel amazing. I lift weights 3-4 times a week, and I just started running again. I was at maintenance for a while, and now I'm doing a slow cut. I love logging my calories and exercise because I enjoy analyzing data. I eat when I'm hungry, enjoy special events, and listen to my body to know what it needs. I am not perfect- now and then I get a pang of guilt for going above my calories, or that nagging voice tells me I'm not good enough. The difference is now I'm strong enough to tell that voice to shove it- I am good enough. My healthy eating habits have become the norm, and I always go back to them.
Amazingly it seems my family back home have followed suit. Most of them are much more health-conscious and active than they were years ago. It gives me hope that more people are capable of positive change than some would believe.12 -
I usually view food two ways. I find it very enjoyable to cook, eat, spend time with family, socialize. New foods, tastes are very wonderful. On the other hand there are times where I view food as fuel. When I am too busy to eat. When I have a very high calorie goal to hit. When I have to get enough protein. Then it becomes just getting it down. It has to be palatable and decent tasting otherwise it will make me sick, or it will take too long to eat, or I will just give up and not continue to eat, which will lead to undereating and losing too much weight or not gaining (which is usually an issue for me).5
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My mother really formed my relationship with food. Up until 7th grade I was always the tallest heaviest kid. I was very muscular, however, not fat. At 10 I was 5 foot and 116 lbs, and everyone freaked out. The dr suggested a diet which of course my mom through out and just cut out all snacks and monitored my food. I was freaking HUNGRY. Every time I got a meal I ate everything in sight and looked for more. At 11 I was 5'4" and 125 lb and 13 5'5" and 135 lbs. All I ever heard was how heavy I was and how I had a slow metabolism. And I thought I was a failure for having no willpower or control. Fast forward to 54 and I have my resting metabolic rate tested, and find out why I was so hungry all my life. As a 54 year old woman I burn 1800 kcal laying in bed, so 1200 kcals as an active teen living on a farm led to a lot of binge eating. When I workout on the advice of my nutritionist I have a protein shake before and during. And I eat right after. I eat 5 meals a day sometimes more depending on activity. Sometimes when you are hungry, YOU ARE JUST FLIPPING HUNGRY!!6
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So the person who just views food as fuel, just eats when they have to .. is considered to have a bad outlook on food. But people using food as comfort that’s ok, you don’t see the dangerous slope in that.
Can someone make that make sense.
People who view food just as fuel are usually the ones who are able to eat in moderation and know when to stop. So....?
Extremes at either end indicate a bad relationship with food. I have never simply viewed food as fuel and I do just fine with moderation and knowing when to stop. I have never had an unhealthy relationship with food (or any relationship with food), and food has always been more than just fuel. I was never remotely overweight growing up and all through my 20s. I gained about 40 Lbs over the course of 8 years after I turned 30 namely because I went from being a very active college student working landscape construction and without a vehicle who road or walked everywhere to commuting to a job that was much more sedentary though not completely so. My issue was never food.
Food is just food. It's often yummy. It's nice to sit down with friends and family to enjoy a meal. It's nice to celebrate a special occasion. It's nice to sit out on the patio on a summer afternoon and enjoy a sandwich. It's just food.7 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »I have always had a hearty appetite and was complimented as a kid for clearing my plate. I love to eat.
My cousin has a daughter who is a toddler and she does not like it when folks say that her daughter is a really good eater (even if meant as a compliment). At first, I was taken a bit aback, but then I thought about how many food/body related compliments we give to girls when they're young, and how it impacts them developmentally. I think it usually comes from a well-meaning place of something like "thank goodness she's not picky!" or "she can eat a lot for her small frame" but I think about how often I heard that as a kid and then grew up wishing I was pickier because then I wouldn't be so stocky as an adult (and having heard mostly food-related compliments as a young kid). I feel like we should just avoid all food/body image comments to kiddos, period.
Sorry--unrelated to your post but just reminded me about how the things we hear as a kid can impact our relationship with food as an adult. Obviously, not everyone has the same experience.9 -
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I think my relationship with food comes in two distinct parts.
Firstly, I’ve loved to cook and bake since I was very young, 7 years old I was regularly baking supervised, but unaided. By the time I was 11 I was researching and cooking full meals. It’s always been my stress relief mechanism. So it’s hard to keep that passion under control sometimes! Cooking for others and for myself is my favourite way to express myself.
Secondly, whilst I’ve been overweight for periods of my life, I’ve also been underweight and a healthy weight for similar periods.
What changes it for me is who I’m cooking for, basically. Periods of my life when I’ve lived alone I’ve been at my lightest weight, but at my heaviest it’s because I’m cooking for others with healthy appetites. I’m very short and petite, build wise, so naturally need much smaller portions than other people but that’s not always what happens to my plate when I’m eating with others!
The lesson I need to learn, long term, is portion control. Not a ‘back of a packet’ size portion but one suited to my size and stature! I’m learning that I’m totally satiated with a really small portion, when compared to ‘normal’ portions. But that’s a lesson that’s been a long time coming!
I can so relate to this!
"Periods of my life when I’ve lived alone I’ve been at my lightest weight, but at my heaviest it’s because I’m cooking for others with healthy appetites."
I'm not nearly as creative (or caloric) when just cooking for myself, but I love to cook for others.3 -
Pipsqueak1965 wrote: »@Machka9 - you wrote this just earlier!
I'm very much this way and pretty much always have been. I enjoy some food, of course, but I've thought of food as calories/fuel since I was 16 or 17 years old.
Yes I did ... "I enjoy some food, of course".
Yes but then you went on to clarify that as chocolate cake once a year.
so the idea that you only view food as fuel came from your own posts - that is the impression you gave about how you view food in regular life.
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paperpudding wrote: »So your criteria for food is "Doesn't make me vomit"?
I won't lie, that makes me really sad for you.
From the time I was about 6 years old, I wanted a pill I could take rather than having to eat. Most of the time. Chocolate lava cake on my birthday is an exception.
I just don't understand the need to thoroughly enjoy everything I eat. As long as it gives me the calories and nutrients I need, has a palatable texture, and sits well ...
I enjoy other aspects of life like being active, being out in nature, further education ...
I'm not sure anyone said they need to thouroughly enjoy EVERYTHING they eat either.
I wouldn't say that about myself - my cereal before work is ok but nothing thouroughly enjoyable, just routine nice enough. Same with the midmorning muesli bar to tide me over till lunch.
But yes I enjoy eating and I like food - some foods and occasions more enjoyable and more special than others.
But even everyday dinner - yes I want to enjoy it, not just have a palatable texture of nutrition and calories.
And that's great! For you and for many others here.
For me, it's not possible.
For me and most of the human race I would say - meaning enjoyment of food is the human norm, across all times and cultures.
Of course people can be different to the norm and only you can say if that is you - but I think fair to say that doesnt apply to many people at all.
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ElizabethKalmbach wrote: »I've come to learn that hormones and body chemistry can *deeply influence* how we experience food in general. I've been BOTH ends of the spectrum. When I was pregnant, the hormones going on made just the *smell* of cooking meat intolerable and gag inducing, and normally I'm a dedicated omnivore. When my pernicious anemia (B12 insufficiency) was undiagnosed, I was nauseated ALL THE TIME, and I was on MFP to make sure I was eating ENOUGH, after I lost 23 lbs because I wasn't paying attention to what I ate. Right now, I'm BACK on MFP because I'm recovering from iron anemia and early on I put ON 20 lbs because I stopped moving as much with a headache for a month straight, and now I'm losing weight way too fast because the iron correction has regifted me the ability to move around pain free, but my appetite is lagging behind and the "normal for me" amount of fat in my diet is suddenly causing some stomach upset.
We definitely don't all experience food in the same way, and even the *same people* may not experience food the *same way* over the course of their entire lives. MFP is a tool we can all use to help us quantify something (calories) in a way that we can understand cerebrally if our intuitive grasp has suddenly changed, or is skewed by past experiences - either good OR bad, or just... unexpected and weird.
Thanks for this post. I'll also add that the senses of smell and taste can affect how a person regards food too.1 -
RelCanonical wrote: »I don't think that I should have to treat food only as fuel. I think food is a special thing, but we don't treat it as a special thing when when overeat everyday and the "treats" become everyday foods. Doing it this way helps make the holidays seem even more special.
I agree! For example, I love shortbread cookies, but only make them for Christmas. Such a treat that way.4 -
RelCanonical wrote: »I don't think that I should have to treat food only as fuel. I think food is a special thing, but we don't treat it as a special thing when when overeat everyday and the "treats" become everyday foods. Doing it this way helps make the holidays seem even more special.
I think this is a wonderful way to think of it. Completely agree.2 -
I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted for most of my life. I gained a lot of weight as I got older, but it didn't affect my social life, I had relationships, friendships etc., but it got to a point where I needed to lose all of the weight.
Now, I still enjoy for and eat what I want, but I'm very aware of how much I'm eating and my calorie intake.
There are many differences between I handle food now and how I handled food when I was overweight/obese:
- I plan my meals out in advance and track them in my journal.
- If I'm eating something I don't like I will stop eating.
- No more eating fast. I slow down and enjoy my food.
- I stop eating right before I get full. No more stuffing myself silly.
- I'm okay with not cleaning my plate and leaving it or saving the rest for later. I used to feel like I needed to eat everything on my plate.
- No restrictions. If I want something like a brownie, I will plan for it and work it into my day/week. I try to save sweet treats and goodies like pizza for weekends, but I made yummy brownies today from scratch and that's okay.
- Before going to restaurants I look at menus online and have a plan of what I'm ordering.
- I politely say no thank you if don't want to eat something that is offered to me. It has hurt some feelings but oh well.
- On a normal week cook just about all of my meals at home all week (except for Pizza Fridays! Or occasionally if I meet up with a friend) and I cook a lot from scratch.
- I don't snack...for example at office meetings where they have doughnuts or if there's a candy dish on someone's table. I used to just eat because things were offered to me or because they were there. Not anymore. I might take some for later if I wanted it, but I prefer to eat filling, satisfying meals.
Sometimes I don't know who is this woman I've became. I'm so thankful that food no longer has power over me, but it has taken many, many years to get here.
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I enjoy food. I love to cook food. I love to feed other people.
My relationship to food is very complicated. I am a decent cook and an very good baker. I had a very critical mom who rarely praised me (getting high grades was assumed) but we bonded in the kitchen. She patiently taught me how to bake and was always positive when I branched out beyond the things she liked to make. To this day I consider making good food the only way to please her. When I want to feel better about myself, I bake and either feed myself or others. Unfortunately, I then overeat the things I bake.
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