Are you Keto and vegan?
banshee925
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I’m considering trying to go vegan on keto , is there any others out there on it or tried it? how has it worked out for you?
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I've seen a lot of posts about people inquiring about this, but none from people who have been doing this for a while, as these are two fundamentally incompatible ways of eating.
What's your motivation for wanting to do both at once? You can lose weight while vegan, and you can lose weight while keto - all you need is to create a calorie deficit.
If you are an ethical vegan - I applaud you - no need to complicate your life by limiting yourself to the few plant-based proteins that are also keto friendly. Carbs are inherent in most plant-based proteins.19 -
Hi! I'm vegan and I'm not doing a keto diet, nevertheless I searched for information long ago and I found this wonderful web page: https://www.ruled.me/comprehensive-guide-vegan-ketogenic-diet/
I hope i have helped you
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banshee925 wrote: »I use keto for medical reasons and the food plan options are vegan too so they must be compatible.
I was watch a documentary on the health benefits of going vegan. The scientific evidence of how much better it is for strengthening, energy and the digestive system.
If you mean that you have a diagnosed medical condition for which your doctor has prescribed a vegan, keto diet, then I would strongly advise asking for a referral to an RD, since you have been prescribed a very restrictive diet.
If you're just going off what you saw in a documentary, then I would caution against that. There is a lot of misinformation and exaggeration out there about both diets. You need to talk to your doctor/RD about nutrition for your specific medical needs.16 -
banshee925 wrote: »I use keto for medical reasons and the food plan options are vegan too so they must be compatible.
I was watch a documentary on the health benefits of going vegan. The scientific evidence of how much better it is for strengthening, energy and the digestive system.
Which documentary?0 -
If weight loss is important for your medical condition then consider that success is far more important than method. Would success be more likely or less likely with a diet that is so restrictive that navigating a normal life becomes a headache? Or would success be more likely if your meal plan felt normal to you and was easy to follow?
If you need to restrict certain foods for a medical condition I echo the other suggestion to see a registered dietitian.2 -
banshee925 wrote: »Hi! I'm vegan and I'm not doing a keto diet, nevertheless I searched for information long ago and I found this wonderful web page: https://www.ruled.me/comprehensive-guide-vegan-ketogenic-diet/
I hope i have helped you
I will look into it thanks 😊banshee925 wrote: »I use keto for medical reasons and the food plan options are vegan too so they must be compatible.
I was watch a documentary on the health benefits of going vegan. The scientific evidence of how much better it is for strengthening, energy and the digestive system.
If you mean that you have a diagnosed medical condition for which your doctor has prescribed a vegan, keto diet, then I would strongly advise asking for a referral to an RD, since you have been prescribed a very restrictive diet.
If you're just going off what you saw in a documentary, then I would caution against that. There is a lot of misinformation and exaggeration out there about both diets. You need to talk to your doctor/RD about nutrition for your specific medical needs.
No I haven’t been prescribed keto by my doctor, it was recommended to try for my medical condition.
For medical conditions, you need to be getting dietary advice from a qualified medical professional, not from documentaries or people with no training. An RD who is trained in your specific condition(s) is your best bet if you can see one. There are a lot of people who claim that both keto and vegan diets will cure whatever ails you. Whether or not there's any truth to that depends on exactly what ails you.10 -
banshee925 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »banshee925 wrote: »I use keto for medical reasons and the food plan options are vegan too so they must be compatible.
I was watch a documentary on the health benefits of going vegan. The scientific evidence of how much better it is for strengthening, energy and the digestive system.
Which documentary?
The game changers
Go listen to the Joe Rogan Podcast, the recent show with Chris Kresser. Go in with an open mind and try to limit any self serving bias you may have. A vegan-keto diet is going to be very restrictive and difficult to follow, and may ultimately be harmful to your long term health if you're not very, very careful.
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Choose one or the other. While it is not impossible, they are very difficult to do in conjunction with each other, and foods that fit naturally well in a ketogenic tend to be meat and cheeses. Vegan foods on the other hands tend to be higher in carbs. Are there certain vegan foods that are Keto-friendly? Sure. But can you get enough calories, proper macro and micro-nutrients, and enough variety to want to eat it long term if you combine both? Unlikely.
And just because there is a documentary on Netflix, doesn't mean you should accept it as the truth. Plant-based diets do have some benefits with them, but the movie was a movie was also fairly biased and inaccurate: https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a29067926/the-game-changers-movie-fact-check/.
If you truly believe Keto will help you with your medical condition, I would focus on that. It is hard enough to stick to without making things 10x harder for yourself by trying to go vegan as well.11 -
capnrus789 wrote: »banshee925 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »banshee925 wrote: »I use keto for medical reasons and the food plan options are vegan too so they must be compatible.
I was watch a documentary on the health benefits of going vegan. The scientific evidence of how much better it is for strengthening, energy and the digestive system.
Which documentary?
The game changers
Go listen to the Joe Rogan Podcast, the recent show with Chris Kresser. Go in with an open mind and try to limit any self serving bias you may have. A vegan-keto diet is going to be very restrictive and difficult to follow, and may ultimately be harmful to your long term health if you're not very, very careful.
Would like to second this, the Game Changers is a movie not really a documentary there are lots of articles out now that debunk everything they go on about. The information they choose to show is all cherry picked data.
Nate lost allot before he won so to say he won cause he was vegan what about his 9 previous losses?
Spartans where prisoners of war forced to fight, fed vegetables cause it was cheap (throw a prisoner a yam is easier then making them a steak, and then why make a prisoner a steak) Their previous diet would be unknown but most likely contain meat.
Strongman guy is no one in the industry of importance outside of his local shows.
Blood tests done at optimal timing to support their agenda, the reverse can be done on vegans, feed them grapes do some blood work show the insulin spike and then go on about how being vegan will lead to diabetes.12 -
banshee925 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »banshee925 wrote: »I use keto for medical reasons and the food plan options are vegan too so they must be compatible.
I was watch a documentary on the health benefits of going vegan. The scientific evidence of how much better it is for strengthening, energy and the digestive system.
Which documentary?
The game changers
That's not a documentary, in the sense of providing balanced, scientifically accurate information. It's an advocacy film whose famous producers have financial interests in companies that sell vegan products. Think it over.
And I say that as someone who's been a vegetarian for 45 years, and an athlete for 15+ years, not as a shill for Big Meat.
Vegan eating can be very healthful. Keto eating can be healthful. They're very challenging, but not impossible, to combine.
A good evidence-based source for special nutritional considerations for veganism, since that's the part that appears to be new for you, is this one:
https://veganhealth.org/
Best wishes!13 -
banshee925 wrote: »Wait now stop...
1. I am not asking for advice regarding my medical condition or it vs keto. Keto works perfectly for my medical health and medical professionals have monitored this but thank you.
2. The question is what is your experience with being vegan while in a keto diet ?
If that is all you want then good luck. I am not sure you will find many that have gone for 6 months or more but you may find a few.3 -
Vegans eat vegetables which are rich with carbs.10
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I’m sorry but I wouldn’t risk my health for a documentary. If Keto is working then continue eating meat. Also being plant based is seriously flawed because I’m South Asian, and you should see how burnt the Indian labourers hands get just to get out cashews! It’s sooooo unethical! Also don’t get me started on cocoa farmers from African countries who have never tasted the chocolate that they grow? There’s flaws in the meat industry, the dairy and other food industries. Just to grown one almond in California uses up so much water where there is already a shortage. It’s about being ethical vs non ethical. The rest is up to you.9
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Another good piece on The Game Changers: https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-review-a-scientific-analysis/
The vegan nutrition site linked by Ann above is an excellent one, and here's another: https://www.theveganrd.com/
Worth noting that although the Game Changers movie didn't focus on fat content, most of the so-called medical experts it apparently cited and relied on promote relatively low fat diets -- this includes Dean Ornish, and Caldwell Esselstyn (http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/plant-based-nutrition/),6 -
Another good piece on The Game Changers: https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-review-a-scientific-analysis/
The vegan nutrition site linked by Ann above is an excellent one, and here's another: https://www.theveganrd.com/
Worth noting that although the Game Changers movie didn't focus on fat content, most of the so-called medical experts it apparently cited and relied on promote relatively low fat diets -- this includes Dean Ornish, and Caldwell Esselstyn (http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/plant-based-nutrition/),
Hmm, so if one wanted to do Game Changers + Keto, what would a low fat + vegan + keto diet look like?2
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