Best Protein Powder/ loosing weight gaining muscle
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jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »In the words of Rich Piana "protein powders....GARBAGE!" I wouldn't waste your money on protein powders, I took them for years and found getting what I need from food is the best thing you can do.
Yes, let's take advice from a guy who was on steroids and died from a drug overdose. Much better than protein powders. /sarcasm.
OP, if you find yourself falling short on protein, than supplementation is a good way to help with that. I prefer PEScience or Quest. I have found no better brands.
But gaining muscle is not only about good nutrition, but it's also about following a solid lifting program. Depending what your goals are, you can look at the below list to figure out where is a good place to start. StrongCurves is by far the most popular, but Thinner, Leaner, Stronger and Stephanie Buttermore's programs are also solid.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Because Rich abused his body with PEDs doesn't mean he wasn't knowledgable about nutrition....he was a champion body builder FFS, go watch his videos on nutrition or you could waste your money I dont care
I would assume that someone who was truly a good source on nutritional information would manage to reach champion bodybuilder status without using steroids.
😂 ok. You need to educate yourself on the sport and the capabilities of the human body, to be a champion bodybuilder you have to take PEDs that's an accepted fact across the sport.
If PEDs are required to participate, it's not a "sport," as you're not testing the capabilities of the human body but the capabilities of human pharmaceuticals.
In either case, you should refrain from giving information to people who aren't interested in PEDs, you're in a whole different realm than those of us using food and exercise to meet our goals.
Ok if you say so 😂, also I never brought the subject of PEDs up..read above, I also never said I use them and nor do I, so behave yourself.
You recommended a known PED user as an expert on nutrition and then defended his use as essential to the sport. My comments to you are based on that. In either case, it isn't applicable to people who are using food and exercise to meet their goals, so let's focus on advice relevant to that group, okay?
So he used PEDs and? His knowledge of nutrition and training become null and void as a result? Don't be ridiculous.
His statement about protein supplements is ridiculous just on the face of it. The fact that he was a user of PEDs just further erodes his credibility. So, maybe we can get back on track now and answer the OP instead of wandering off into more discussion of Rich Pianna?1 -
jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »In the words of Rich Piana "protein powders....GARBAGE!" I wouldn't waste your money on protein powders, I took them for years and found getting what I need from food is the best thing you can do.
Yes, let's take advice from a guy who was on steroids and died from a drug overdose. Much better than protein powders. /sarcasm.
OP, if you find yourself falling short on protein, than supplementation is a good way to help with that. I prefer PEScience or Quest. I have found no better brands.
But gaining muscle is not only about good nutrition, but it's also about following a solid lifting program. Depending what your goals are, you can look at the below list to figure out where is a good place to start. StrongCurves is by far the most popular, but Thinner, Leaner, Stronger and Stephanie Buttermore's programs are also solid.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Because Rich abused his body with PEDs doesn't mean he wasn't knowledgable about nutrition....he was a champion body builder FFS, go watch his videos on nutrition or you could waste your money I dont care
I would assume that someone who was truly a good source on nutritional information would manage to reach champion bodybuilder status without using steroids.
😂 ok. You need to educate yourself on the sport and the capabilities of the human body, to be a champion bodybuilder you have to take PEDs that's an accepted fact across the sport.
If PEDs are required to participate, it's not a "sport," as you're not testing the capabilities of the human body but the capabilities of human pharmaceuticals.
In either case, you should refrain from giving information to people who aren't interested in PEDs, you're in a whole different realm than those of us using food and exercise to meet our goals.
Ok if you say so 😂, also I never brought the subject of PEDs up..read above, I also never said I use them and nor do I, so behave yourself.
You recommended a known PED user as an expert on nutrition and then defended his use as essential to the sport. My comments to you are based on that. In either case, it isn't applicable to people who are using food and exercise to meet their goals, so let's focus on advice relevant to that group, okay?
So he used PEDs and? His knowledge of nutrition and training become null and void as a result? Don't be ridiculous.
What knowledge of nutrition and training does he really have? You've already said his success was dependent on other methods and would have been impossible without them.
His disdain for protein powder, a perfectly valid food, isn't really "knowledge." It's just a bias, based on his preference to use non-food sources to achieve his goals. If that's the light you want to follow, go for it.7 -
jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »In the words of Rich Piana "protein powders....GARBAGE!" I wouldn't waste your money on protein powders, I took them for years and found getting what I need from food is the best thing you can do.
Yes, let's take advice from a guy who was on steroids and died from a drug overdose. Much better than protein powders. /sarcasm.
OP, if you find yourself falling short on protein, than supplementation is a good way to help with that. I prefer PEScience or Quest. I have found no better brands.
But gaining muscle is not only about good nutrition, but it's also about following a solid lifting program. Depending what your goals are, you can look at the below list to figure out where is a good place to start. StrongCurves is by far the most popular, but Thinner, Leaner, Stronger and Stephanie Buttermore's programs are also solid.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Because Rich abused his body with PEDs doesn't mean he wasn't knowledgable about nutrition....he was a champion body builder FFS, go watch his videos on nutrition or you could waste your money I dont care
I would assume that someone who was truly a good source on nutritional information would manage to reach champion bodybuilder status without using steroids.
😂 ok. You need to educate yourself on the sport and the capabilities of the human body, to be a champion bodybuilder you have to take PEDs that's an accepted fact across the sport.
If PEDs are required to participate, it's not a "sport," as you're not testing the capabilities of the human body but the capabilities of human pharmaceuticals.
In either case, you should refrain from giving information to people who aren't interested in PEDs, you're in a whole different realm than those of us using food and exercise to meet our goals.
Ok if you say so 😂, also I never brought the subject of PEDs up..read above, I also never said I use them and nor do I, so behave yourself.
You recommended a known PED user as an expert on nutrition and then defended his use as essential to the sport. My comments to you are based on that. In either case, it isn't applicable to people who are using food and exercise to meet their goals, so let's focus on advice relevant to that group, okay?
So he used PEDs and? His knowledge of nutrition and training become null and void as a result? Don't be ridiculous.
So he won a bodybuilding competition and his statements about nutrition are valuable as a result?
Being a successful bodybuilder doesn't make someone knowledgeable about nutrition any more than using PEDs makes them ignorant.8 -
Also, even if his knowledge was accurate is it accurate for everyone or just for people with similar aspirations? It is a mistake for a beginner to eat and train like a professional. That should be done by either actual professionals, people aspiring to be professionals, or people so grounded they can handle it.
I want to gain muscle mass but I have no intention of even attending a body building competition much less compete in one. My goal is to improve aesthetics slightly, increase tone, and strength. I am prepared for it to be a slow process because I do not have the time or resources of a professional and this won't even be a serious hobby.8 -
jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »In the words of Rich Piana "protein powders....GARBAGE!" I wouldn't waste your money on protein powders, I took them for years and found getting what I need from food is the best thing you can do.
Yes, let's take advice from a guy who was on steroids and died from a drug overdose. Much better than protein powders. /sarcasm.
OP, if you find yourself falling short on protein, than supplementation is a good way to help with that. I prefer PEScience or Quest. I have found no better brands.
But gaining muscle is not only about good nutrition, but it's also about following a solid lifting program. Depending what your goals are, you can look at the below list to figure out where is a good place to start. StrongCurves is by far the most popular, but Thinner, Leaner, Stronger and Stephanie Buttermore's programs are also solid.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Because Rich abused his body with PEDs doesn't mean he wasn't knowledgable about nutrition....he was a champion body builder FFS, go watch his videos on nutrition or you could waste your money I dont care
I would assume that someone who was truly a good source on nutritional information would manage to reach champion bodybuilder status without using steroids.
😂 ok. You need to educate yourself on the sport and the capabilities of the human body, to be a champion bodybuilder you have to take PEDs that's an accepted fact across the sport.
If PEDs are required to participate, it's not a "sport," as you're not testing the capabilities of the human body but the capabilities of human pharmaceuticals.
In either case, you should refrain from giving information to people who aren't interested in PEDs, you're in a whole different realm than those of us using food and exercise to meet our goals.
Ok if you say so 😂, also I never brought the subject of PEDs up..read above, I also never said I use them and nor do I, so behave yourself.
You recommended a known PED user as an expert on nutrition and then defended his use as essential to the sport. My comments to you are based on that. In either case, it isn't applicable to people who are using food and exercise to meet their goals, so let's focus on advice relevant to that group, okay?
So he used PEDs and? His knowledge of nutrition and training become null and void as a result? Don't be ridiculous.
Its certainly possible that he knowledge. But there is studies that support the uses of whey protein. Evidence > expert opinion. Expert opinion comes with more inherent biases. Second, the whey protein in his day isn't the exact same as it is today. And third, just because you or I don't have issues getting protein, doesn't mean others don't. So it might be a waste for you, but not another person. You don't understand everyone's circumstances. I have known a lot of people, especially women, who struggle to hit protein goals.
So what would you advise? Have someone supplement to help achieve their goals or keep struggling?5 -
If you are just starting out I would avoid adding new beverage calories until you have a good routine of staying inside your calorie goal. I would also avoid protein bars because they are calorie dense. Once you get your routine down then start tweaking your nutrition to improve protein if you need it. Do not assume you do. My protein is often much higher than I need without supplementation.
I agree with you in general about beverage calories. I don't particularly find them satisfying. I use whey in a few different ways and rarely as a beverage. I mix it with an egg, some yogurt, flour and baking powder for protein pancakes. I make Dutch Apple Baby with it cutting the flour in half and substituting unflavored whey. I make a mixture of greek yogurt and chocolate whey that tastes very much like chocolate mousse. I find using it in combo with other foods more satiating.2 -
If you are just starting out I would avoid adding new beverage calories until you have a good routine of staying inside your calorie goal. I would also avoid protein bars because they are calorie dense. Once you get your routine down then start tweaking your nutrition to improve protein if you need it. Do not assume you do. My protein is often much higher than I need without supplementation.
I agree with you in general about beverage calories. I don't particularly find them satisfying. I use whey in a few different ways and rarely as a beverage. I mix it with an egg, some yogurt, flour and baking powder for protein pancakes. I make Dutch Apple Baby with it cutting the flour in half and substituting unflavored whey. I make a mixture of greek yogurt and chocolate whey that tastes very much like chocolate mousse. I find using it in combo with other foods more satiating.
On days I need or have to eat outside of my routine I will often mix unflavored whey into my egg white fritatta/scramble. I can get ~70 grams of protein in one dish. I don't really want to go lower than .6g per est gw even on the occasional really screwy eating days and that 70 pretty much guarantees I can slide into the minimum if not more.
I was going to experiment with some protein biscuits yesterday but my wife changed her mind at the last minute and decided she wanted a biscuit and did not want to try anything new so I made regular.2 -
There are o.c. also the BCAA and EAA to consider.1
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I take Orgain collagen peptides protein everyday.0
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I agree that they are not necessary, but can be a quick and easy source of protein. I like to add a half serving to my iced coffee, or a full serving in my oatmeal.
I LOVE Bowmar Nutrition- they have some rather unique flavors and they mix very well in just a shaker cup. I think they're more on the expensive side though. I usually buy the 1lb tubs from them, because I don't really use it a lot, but they sell larger tubs that are probably a better deal for the volume. I also like Optimum Nutrition or Quest.0 -
jjironaddict wrote: »In the words of Rich Piana "protein powders....GARBAGE!" I wouldn't waste your money on protein powders, I took them for years and found getting what I need from food is the best thing you can do.
What? The same guy who needs to shaker cups of protein and intra-workout carbs for his 8 hour arm workout says protein powder is garbage? What was he putting in the shaker cups, liquefied chicken?4 -
jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »jjironaddict wrote: »In the words of Rich Piana "protein powders....GARBAGE!" I wouldn't waste your money on protein powders, I took them for years and found getting what I need from food is the best thing you can do.
Yes, let's take advice from a guy who was on steroids and died from a drug overdose. Much better than protein powders. /sarcasm.
OP, if you find yourself falling short on protein, than supplementation is a good way to help with that. I prefer PEScience or Quest. I have found no better brands.
But gaining muscle is not only about good nutrition, but it's also about following a solid lifting program. Depending what your goals are, you can look at the below list to figure out where is a good place to start. StrongCurves is by far the most popular, but Thinner, Leaner, Stronger and Stephanie Buttermore's programs are also solid.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Because Rich abused his body with PEDs doesn't mean he wasn't knowledgable about nutrition....he was a champion body builder FFS, go watch his videos on nutrition or you could waste your money I dont care
I would assume that someone who was truly a good source on nutritional information would manage to reach champion bodybuilder status without using steroids.
😂 ok. You need to educate yourself on the sport and the capabilities of the human body, to be a champion bodybuilder you have to take PEDs that's an accepted fact across the sport.
If PEDs are required to participate, it's not a "sport," as you're not testing the capabilities of the human body but the capabilities of human pharmaceuticals.
In either case, you should refrain from giving information to people who aren't interested in PEDs, you're in a whole different realm than those of us using food and exercise to meet our goals.
Ok if you say so 😂, also I never brought the subject of PEDs up..read above, I also never said I use them and nor do I, so behave yourself.
You recommended a known PED user as an expert on nutrition and then defended his use as essential to the sport. My comments to you are based on that. In either case, it isn't applicable to people who are using food and exercise to meet their goals, so let's focus on advice relevant to that group, okay?
So he used PEDs and? His knowledge of nutrition and training become null and void as a result? Don't be ridiculous.
His knowledge becomes severely lacking in applicability to anyone doing natural body building. There are people in foreign countries where PEDs are legal (or decriminalized for personal use at least) with a high cost of protein who use them because of the changes in protein breakdown and nitrogen balance - thus reducing their need for protein intake. Doesn't their knowledge and success show you that there is something different how the body uses protein when one is a PED user?2 -
My favorite is VMI Protolyte powder. Easily digestible.0
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