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  • fitnessguy266fitnessguy266 Member Posts: 135 Member Member Posts: 135 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Weight loss = CI<CO, that's it. There is nothing magical about coffee or any other food for that matter...

    Fixed that for you.

  • fitnessguy266fitnessguy266 Member Posts: 135 Member Member Posts: 135 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Weight loss = CI<CO, that's it. There is nothing magical about coffee or any other food for that matter...

    Fixed that for you.

    Actually, you made it incorrect.
    Weight loss can be water weight fluctuations or digestive contents and have nothing to do with CICO. Fat loss specifically is what ties to CI<CO, in other words energy maintenance.

    Certainly, because there are absolutely no other drivers at work for fat loss.....just CI<CO. Got it...
    edited February 21
  • fitnessguy266fitnessguy266 Member Posts: 135 Member Member Posts: 135 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Weight loss = CI<CO, that's it. There is nothing magical about coffee or any other food for that matter...

    Fixed that for you.

    Actually, you made it incorrect.
    Weight loss can be water weight fluctuations or digestive contents and have nothing to do with CICO. Fat loss specifically is what ties to CI<CO, in other words energy maintenance.

    Certainly, because there are absolutely no other drivers at work for fat loss.....just CI<CO. Got it...

    That's not what you said though. Regardless of what you might think about the process of fat loss, your "correction" didn't say that and was factually incorrect.

    My apologies there, weight loss, holistically speaking is a combination of all the above. In the context of "optimized" fat loss, CI<CO is not the ulitmate factor, but that's a different convo. My bad :)

  • kimny72kimny72 Member Posts: 15,487 Member Member Posts: 15,487 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Weight loss = CI<CO, that's it. There is nothing magical about coffee or any other food for that matter...

    Fixed that for you.

    Actually, you made it incorrect.
    Weight loss can be water weight fluctuations or digestive contents and have nothing to do with CICO. Fat loss specifically is what ties to CI<CO, in other words energy maintenance.

    Certainly, because there are absolutely no other drivers at work for fat loss.....just CI<CO. Got it...

    That's not what you said though. Regardless of what you might think about the process of fat loss, your "correction" didn't say that and was factually incorrect.

    My apologies there, weight loss, holistically speaking is a combination of all the above. In the context of "optimized" fat loss, CI<CO is not the ulitmate factor, but that's a different convo. My bad :)

    I will happily avoid that derail and go back to drinking my coffee. :lol::drinker:
    edited February 21
  • J72FITJ72FIT Member Posts: 5,603 Member Member Posts: 5,603 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Weight loss = CI<CO, that's it. There is nothing magical about coffee or any other food for that matter...

    Fixed that for you.

    Actually, you made it incorrect.
    Weight loss can be water weight fluctuations or digestive contents and have nothing to do with CICO. Fat loss specifically is what ties to CI<CO, in other words energy maintenance.

    Certainly, because there are absolutely no other drivers at work for fat loss.....just CI<CO. Got it...

    Maybe not but it certainly covers the lion's share. If you want to deal with minutia feel free...
  • fitnessguy266fitnessguy266 Member Posts: 135 Member Member Posts: 135 Member
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Weight loss = CI<CO, that's it. There is nothing magical about coffee or any other food for that matter...

    Fixed that for you.

    Actually, you made it incorrect.
    Weight loss can be water weight fluctuations or digestive contents and have nothing to do with CICO. Fat loss specifically is what ties to CI<CO, in other words energy maintenance.

    Certainly, because there are absolutely no other drivers at work for fat loss.....just CI<CO. Got it...

    That's not what you said though. Regardless of what you might think about the process of fat loss, your "correction" didn't say that and was factually incorrect.

    My apologies there, weight loss, holistically speaking is a combination of all the above. In the context of "optimized" fat loss, CI<CO is not the ulitmate factor, but that's a different convo. My bad :)

    OMG, seriously, there always has to be that one person...As much as I am sure the OP appreciates you hijacking their thread to talk about "optimizing" fat loss, can we please try to stick to the topic at hand and not make it about your own personal beliefs? If you don't believe that CICO is the ultimate factor in fat loss, then please feel free to start your own thread in the debate section instead of trying to "fix" other peoples comments which didn't need any fixing or clarification.

    Ouchie :)

  • fitnessguy266fitnessguy266 Member Posts: 135 Member Member Posts: 135 Member
    Shirtless guy argument. Let me in on the action.

    Behave sir :D
  • bmeadows380bmeadows380 Member Posts: 2,868 Member Member Posts: 2,868 Member
    Shirtless guy argument. Let me in on the action.

    Behave sir :D

    does he have to?
  • magnusthenerdmagnusthenerd Member Posts: 1,198 Member Member Posts: 1,198 Member
    Shirtless guy argument. Let me in on the action.

    Behave sir :D

    does he have to?

    I hope not. It might mean putting on a shirt.
  • bmeadows380bmeadows380 Member Posts: 2,868 Member Member Posts: 2,868 Member
    Shirtless guy argument. Let me in on the action.

    Behave sir :D

    does he have to?

    I hope not. It might mean putting on a shirt.

    well, if its a nice, stretchy, form fitting T-shirt......
  • psychod787psychod787 Member, Premium Posts: 3,761 Member Member, Premium Posts: 3,761 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    psychod787 wrote: »
    Lyle McDonald speaks about caffeine being a stimulant and raising calorie burns by 100 calories a day or so. It also can have an appetite reducing effect in some people.

    OP was drinking soda prior, I'd guess at least some of it was caffeinated. And we don't knowthey weren't drinking any coffee at all before, just that they drink more now.

    I could see if someone went from no caffeine to a lot of caffeine the metabolic change could be a little noticable. But a 100 cal metabolic increase didn't make OP lose 20 lbs since Nov. It might have given a little boost. But there was without a doubt much more to it.

    Yes, plenty of caffeinated beverages and coffee. 3-4 sodas a day, monster java, starbucks in a can, red bull, you name it and an occasional (maybe 2-3 per week) homemade coffee.

    Well, when you cut 1500 calories a day out of your intake, yeah, you might just lose some weight. That's a lot of sugar.

    *wavng at psychod787*

    Waves back!
  • wwwtheselion11wwwtheselion11 Member Posts: 422 Member Member Posts: 422 Member
    Coffee is just as bad as your soda. Best way to have your coffee is black. If you wanting to se faster results. Drinking more water will help. Cut back on your coffee. Have a 8 to 16,oz cup a day. One or two cups is all you really need. I know people who are drinking it all day. Thats not good. Water is so much better
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Member Posts: 24,034 Member Member Posts: 24,034 Member
    Coffee is just as bad as your soda. Best way to have your coffee is black. If you wanting to se faster results. Drinking more water will help. Cut back on your coffee. Have a 8 to 16,oz cup a day. One or two cups is all you really need. I know people who are drinking it all day. Thats not good. Water is so much better

    Sometimes I put oat milk in my coffee. If I log the calories properly, how is this going to stop me from seeing the results that I want in a timely way?
  • BuiltLikeAPeepBuiltLikeAPeep Member Posts: 126 Member Member Posts: 126 Member
    Coffee is just as bad as your soda. Best way to have your coffee is black. If you wanting to se faster results. Drinking more water will help. Cut back on your coffee. Have a 8 to 16,oz cup a day. One or two cups is all you really need. I know people who are drinking it all day. Thats not good. Water is so much better

    Sometimes I put oat milk in my coffee. If I log the calories properly, how is this going to stop me from seeing the results that I want in a timely way?

    I agree. I have been slowly cutting back on the amount of sugar I put in (down to about a tablespoon) and I only use about an ounce of skim milk (130 calories per 8 oz) or unsweetened almond milk (70 calories per 8 oz) so I don't see how that is as bad as soda.
  • bmeadows380bmeadows380 Member Posts: 2,868 Member Member Posts: 2,868 Member
    Coffee is just as bad as your soda. Best way to have your coffee is black. If you wanting to se faster results. Drinking more water will help. Cut back on your coffee. Have a 8 to 16,oz cup a day. One or two cups is all you really need. I know people who are drinking it all day. Thats not good. Water is so much better

    Sometimes I put oat milk in my coffee. If I log the calories properly, how is this going to stop me from seeing the results that I want in a timely way?

    I use unsweetened cashew milk and have two 16 oz cups a day, sweetened with splenda or a splash of torino sugar free vanilla syrup. If I'm running low on protein for the day, I'll use 1% milk instead.

    And coffee, unless you are loading it up with sugar and cream, is really flavored water, just like tea - the diuretics effect of both have been proven to not offset the hydration of the drink. And I know tea, even black tea, has what is it - flavanoids? - that are healthy; I think I've heard that coffee does as well? And I think both also have antioxidants, don't they? I know there's something healthy in tea, anyway!
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