Plateau for over a year

Hey everyone. Just looking for a bit of advice. No judgement. In 2017 a year after i had my 6th child i decided to change my eating habits. Not just to lose weight as I have been big my whole life but for health benefits. My health was actually always quite good but as i approached my 40s i saw all my friends my age have crazy health issues and i didn't want to tempt fate. Fast forward by 2018 i lost about 95-100 lbs. I was undereating on most days and in November of 2018 had a couple scary episodes of dehydration and probably a little undernourished. By 2019 i fixed up and started eating a bit more normal not crazy calorie counting or obsessing over it. I have maintained my weight pretty much, my lowest was 185, I'm sitting around 200 lbs now and i just can't seem to get the scale to move. We are taking almost 1 year. My clothes still fit, i feel perfectly healthy but i generally do not eat more than 1200-1500 per day and i work out 3x/week. Generally do 35 mins on treadmill on highest incline and some elliptical. Also have been doung weights to see if it helps. My loose skin is surgery level especially in my arms and thats a bit depressing. If i had the money the wings would be gone lol. Overall i am concious of what i put in my mouth and while i dont measure everything ( although i do weigh my breakfast for measuring 5x week) and i drink only green tea, tea, water or an occasional diet soda,i do let go onthe weekends but i can't eat large portions anymore so i know am not consuming thousands of sabotage calories.....what am i doing wrong. I actually don't even mind my current size,but for the fun of it..this is the mother of all plateaus. Let me know what you guys think.... thanks!
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  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    Hey, I hope you have taken time to celebrate the loss--and maintenance--of that much weight, especially as the mother of 6 kids. So many reasons to fall off the wagon--although certainly you have 6 very good reasons to be healthy.

    As the others have said, you are eating more than you think. Maybe all you really need to do is change weekend behavior--if you are more careful then, you should see the scale start to change. How much is anyone's guess because we don't know how much you might be cutting into any weekday deficit you've created. I'd start there b/c that sounds like the place you are most likely to be significantly off in your "estimates." Good luck, and good job.

    Thank you! I certain am proud of myself. Definitely more off on weekends just because I am not on my rigid routine but it is so hard for me to believe I am seriously over eating enough to sabotage even a small slow downward trend. I am ok with .5 pound loss a week at this point and overall its just not happening. I think for me I think if I went wild on weekends it would make sense and I wouldn't even question it but i mean..we are not talking 3000 + days. Wild for me is 1800-2000. Regular days are 1000-1300. So even if you account for inaccuracies, I need to figure out where that much of a drastic error. CICO was so good to me for dropping all thst weight but I have lost my mojo!
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    Lol. I do not kid myself. I am a grown up and own a food scale. I track honestly and if I am in doubt I overestimate. There is no reason for me to "lie to myself"
    I was honest before and now. Thanks
  • mburgess458
    mburgess458 Posts: 480 Member
    People always say "tighten up your logging", which is fine, but it really means you have to start eating less. The good news is the OP now knows her maintenance calories. If she wants to lose 0.5 lbs a week she knows exactly how much she has to lower calories (250 calories a day).

    Or on the other side of the equation she can increase activity by 250 calories a day. Or some combination of the two.

    Her logging might be perfect. The CO part of CI/CO is an estimate, maybe hers is just 250 calories a day less than the average persons.
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    All good points. The food logging options can be wild. HOWEVER been doing this a long time and caught on early so if i cant scan an item, i am realistic about what i log. I also do not use the mfp calories burn. Seem way too high so I low ball it using the machine with my weight input loosely (although i know that might be overestimating too) but lately am not eating back my calories. Long n short, the reason i wanted to get advice is i am very afraid to eat less than i do. When i was eating less it really affected my health and well being and it caused be to have borderline food anxiety. Don't want to go back there! Man i was soooo confident when i was heavier, this was NEVER a thought on my mind!
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    edited March 2020
    Just checked, my diary is public. I am originally from the Caribbean so if you see anything in there that you don't recognize just ask me! Thanks everyone
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    Well, not specifically but i scan as i go if possible but i am sure nothing is 100% accurate so i could be 100-300 calories off but this shouldn't cause an issue if i am logging 1100 or so. Mfp is telling me to eat 1700 plus to lose .5 a week!
  • peggy_polenta
    peggy_polenta Posts: 325 Member
    how much of your 200 pounds do you think is the lose skin you have? you say its severe?
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    how much of your 200 pounds do you think is the lose skin you have? you say its severe?

    It's pretty bad. My arms were very big when i was heavier. I have definate wings unfortunately..my stomach has a lot too, especially after 6 pregnancies at almost 300 lbs. Not sure what skin weighs. Maybe tops 10 lbs? But i honestly do not know. I have loose skin on arms, my sides of my boobs, belly and thighs.
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    I was thinking about that too, due for a physical. Thank you!
  • peggy_polenta
    peggy_polenta Posts: 325 Member
    how much of your 200 pounds do you think is the lose skin you have? you say its severe?

    It's pretty bad. My arms were very big when i was heavier. I have definate wings unfortunately..my stomach has a lot too, especially after 6 pregnancies at almost 300 lbs. Not sure what skin weighs. Maybe tops 10 lbs? But i honestly do not know. I have loose skin on arms, my sides of my boobs, belly and thighs.

    you may be a little low on the 10 pounds based on what you said. and may be closer to 20. (do so research to compare what it is for others based on pictures, etc) why don't you knock 20 pounds off you total weight and use that as your 'real weight' and make your deficit calories against that for fat loss....so 180 pounds.
  • cherrylou123
    cherrylou123 Posts: 96 Member
    You need to shock your body 😊😊😊.. Maybe you can change the exercise routine that you're doing if you've been doing it for a long time...maybe your body has adapted to that already

    Another thing is maybe you can take a break.. Maybe you can eat more carbs for 2 weeks then make it lesser again after 2 weeks.

    Congratulations for your great weight lost btw 😊😊😊.. Not all can maintain.. Usually when they lost weight they gain it back after a period of time
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    lorrpb wrote: »
    Consider opening up your diary do the wise experienced folks here can give you some concrete feedback. A 200 lb person cannot eat 1000-1300 per day for a year and lost no weight 🤔

    My diary is open. Also, consider this, i stayed 293-295 lbs for 12-14 years with no gain or loss eating anything i wanted. I mean ANYTHING. 🤷🏽‍♀️
  • fluffygoodas
    fluffygoodas Posts: 30 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    Hello!
    I grabbed your January 1 to March 8 logging.
    This ought to be a total of 68 days.

    I threw out a 410 Cal, a 360 Cal, a 650 Cal day, and a 770 Cal day. I've reluctantly kept a couple of 800 and 900 Cal days. I would usually throw out anything under 1K cal.

    The assumption is that these were incomplete days. If they're not, please start by trying to make sure, as a 200lb woman, that none of your days are under 1200 Cal. If you don't you WILL impact your well being as you're unlikely to be taking in enough nutrients.

    A quick comment on your logging? While it is quite likely that you would be able to tighten it considerably, I, also don't see WHEN YOU LOG that tighter logging of the logged days would yield much more than 2-300 Cal extra. Even if I don't believe the 50Cal for an XL double milk at Tim's :wink:

    This left us with 40 days logged out of 68. OR LESS THAN 60%. Conversely: you're not logging 40% of the time.

    On the days you've logged we have some entries where the macros and calories don't fully match.
    You are showing 1133 Cal intake. Your macros multiply out to 1109 to 1073 Cal.

    If you're truly eating that low, as a 200lb woman, you're under-fuelling and making yourself lethargic and unwilling to move around. When was the last time you found yourself tapping your foot to the music? Do you feel cold most of the time?

    Anyway. Your protein at 69g a day is low, though not below RDI. Your fat intake at 29g is well below the 0.35g to 0.45g per lb of weight in the healthy weight level range. Heck, 29g don't even go as high as a minimal for a male 0.25g level of fat per lb. Your levels of fat, as logged, could affect your hormones. Furthermore, your fibre at 18g is fairly low for a woman who should probably be aiming for close to 10g more than that a day.

    Of course... 40% of your logging doesn't exist.

    So <big shrug> if you only know what you do 60% of the time... who knows what's going on?

    If the current picture is representative of reality I would start a reverse diet that would ensure I was taking in sufficient nutrients (1g of protein per lb of goal weight in the healthy weight range, 0.45g of fat per same, 27+g fiber) and try to see if I could do this with minimal or no weight gain. After eating more normally for a number of weeks (at least 4-6), then I would evaluate again where I was and decide on how to continue with my weight loss journey.

    But, again, I don't know that the current picture is representative of any reality because at a minimum it is missing 40% of your days since January 1.

    Look. I get diet fatigue. It is real. You are already enjoying an immense health benefit from your original drop. Given how few people get to the one year mark and then to the three year mark, protecting this initial loss is way more important than pushing further. There is nothing wrong with taking a break. Honestly and truly.

    But, as with most other people responding to you, I fully believe that your self-protection circuits are in full avoidance mode and avoiding to religiously logging everything.

    It really is NOT A CRIME to be eating more than you think. It is EXTREMELY GOOD, not bad, to be maintaining the loss you've achieved. As mentioned you might even be able to even achieve this maintenance while eating a bit more without a significant weight change from your current level.

    Yes, I am waiting for my little disagree button friends; but, long term you can have weight maintenance while pushing your calories up or pushing your calories down to the bottom of a narrow range. What changes, within that narrow caloric range, is your Non Exercise Activity level. Things such as your average body temperature, things such as your unconscious movement, things such as the speed of some of your cellular activity!

    If you're truly eating as you've logged, then you need more nutrients before you get sick. But you will only know your true situation if EVERY SINGLE SPOONFUL, SAMPLE, TASTE, anything that goes in your mouth gets logged BEFORE IT MAKES IT IN THERE!

    I truly TRY to keep as accurate a log as possible. And yet I've gone back two days later to add things to the log that I had forgotten to log. Because the phone rang. Because I didn't write it down. Because when the cookie jar emptied I had logged 250g less in total than the 1kg the cookie jar came into the house with! :blush:

    How often have you gone back to your log to add things that you had forgotten to add? What about cooking oils? Condiments? Spices?

    BTW: congrats of going into Tim's and making it out without donuts, scones/tea biscuits, soups or chili... I sort of often lose that battle! :wink:

    --first log the other 40% of your days.
    --then look into logging things before you start consuming them
    --then look at your levels and realistically evaluate whether you're eating all the nutrients you should be eating
    --then decide how to move forward, or post again!

    This is great. I actually consciously stopped logging everything and skipped some days on purpose. It just seemed overkill. I had a few celebrations in January and February where we stayed in a hotel etc, so i couldn't be as strict. Good thing is i still make "better" choices, but there was treats/some alchohol involved. When i log, i log accurately as possible. I do log my oils and butter. Condiments are rare for me and i have tailored my home cooking to use less butter and oil than i liberally used to use. I think i eased up on not tasting stuff, so you are right, could be that. I indeed agree my nutritional intake is horrible. This is what I don't want to do to myself. In November of 2018 i had a couple of episodes where i had to go to the hospital and they couldn't find anything wrong except anemia and slightly low blood pressure. While my body definitely has been kind to me, i just want to ensure i stay healthy. I still have some small kids at home to take care of. Anyhow, the next couple weeks am logging religiously and hopefully i can just tweak my situation.
    You know funny enough, the tims is pretty accurate. I used to log 60 calories for a 2 milk tea but then its less on the actual site. Tea is 0 and i think its around 20 or calories per shot of 2% milk. Otherwise i drink only unsweetened almond. The other tims temptations don't bother me. I have an old donut phobia from when ppl used to smoke in the shops 🤣 an occasional timbit tho....thanks very much for looking over my stuff!!
  • cherys
    cherys Posts: 387 Member
    It sounds like a combination of things. You are carrying excess weight you can't shift in the form of loose skin. That just won't go anywhere without surgery. For the rest, it does sound like you are maintaining. I would spend two weeks checking how well you know your portions. Get the individual raw ingredients. Write down what you think they are then weigh them and see how close you are. Double check with packaging that the calorie values you are checking on MFP are correct. I can be way way off in my estimations. It can feel boring weighing everything, but I reckon it's worth the effort to get off the plateau. And very well done on losing so much and maintaining for so long. You are doing a lot of things right!