Coronavirus prep
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Kansas schools closed the rest of the year
Laughing at myself here - I had to go check, that's the rest of the school year, not the calendar year (in my defence, the school year here runs from late January to mid December, so if my kids' schools closed for the rest of the year, we'd be looking at a loooooooong time at home...which may still come to pass, I guess)
We've gone from 8 cases confirmed in New Zealand about this time yesterday, up to 12 by the time I went to bed last night, and now 20. Apparently all linked to overseas travel, not community transmissions yet. DD's Cubs camp this weekend is "postponed", and now the Breakfast Club I help run at school has been cancelled too.
We're self-employed - DH is an electrician, and I am a bookkeeper. Just waiting to see what the impact will be for us - I can theoretically work from home, but I work for a firm that provides admin to tradesman businesses like DH's, so if those dry up, then so does the bookkeeping work (and I would be first to go).
I'm still managing to get my usual weekly grocery deliveries - had to book an extra day in advance of what I usually would, and they just called to check a couple of substitutions as my selected brands were out of stock, but mostly normal at this stage.
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I heard somewhere in the media that America is two weeks away from what has happened in Italy... is that true or fake news?7
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janejellyroll wrote: »My parents are in their mid 70s and I typically go over twice a week to have dinner with them. Should I stop going? I can't tell if I'm being cavalier to go over or being overly anxious to not visit them the whole time this is going on. I know they'll say to come over, that's just how they are!
My mom was going to drive to visit me this weekend. I told her yesterday to cancel, I just couldn't handle it if she got sick as a result. I felt overly anxious asking her not to come and I know she was disappointed, but I feel like this is the time for us to be overly careful about our parents.
This is where I am. Now I'm anxious that something will happen to them and I will have missed a chance to see them. The mind can do crazy things to you!
I'm really happy though that they are generally taking this seriously. My dad's been going to his local Walmart as it opens most days because there's hardly anyone there and he can catch the stuff they couldn't find on their previous visits coming off the trucks. Otherwise they are staying home and away from people.10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It doesn't appear that they have yet to update the Department of Health site as of yet, but as of end of day yesterday Indiana has tested a total of 159 people... 30 confirmed... 2 dead. I think the low number of tested is what annoys me. I know that test kits are rare. I know they can't just test everyone who shows symptoms. I know they have to be reserved for those who really REALLY need the test. But I feel the low number of tested leads to a low number of confirmed cases which leads to people not taking things seriously. I am shocked how many people still think this is just "the flu" or "a really bad cold" or whatever.
I spoke to my doctor today. He is worried about me as I have high blood pressure, asthma, and something unknown that has wrecked my immune system this year (I seem to catch a different illness every other week). Said he would write me a note to work from home (told him I already have been approved). He wants me to contact him if I start to run a fever or have any breathing troubles. Even if it's not bad, just so he is aware and can get me anything that might help.
A handful of stores around here are starting early shopping for seniors and those "at most risk". What does "at most risk" mean? How would they know if someone is telling the truth that they are high risk or have compromised immune systems? If they limit to just the elderly, then what about those who ARE at high risk due to having compromised immune systems? I'm not even talking about myself, but people who are doing chemo or taking medications that reduce the immune system. Not all of them have access to others to do their shopping.
There was a press conference today at the White House. During the press conference, they were talking about having millions of test kits available. When the press asked why more hadn't been tested, they admitted that they have been doing a poor job of getting them out to be used. Hopefully they figure out how to put those test kits on trucks and bring them to where they are needed.
My guess is that now that the elections today are over, suddenly there will be a lot more testing.
It's going to be bad. (The numbers of positive cases.) Regardless, people are going to go about their lives, albeit pretty restrictively with the social side. I think people want this to go away and are willing to make some sacrifices...in two or three weeks we will know a lot. Here in WA:
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518 confirmed cases (up 30 from yesterday)
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I have no idea how many have been tested. It's a pretty slow drawn-out process, apparently.
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I work at a local TV station owned by a national TV company. The admin, marketing, and sales teams are all authorized to work from home, but I'll be in the office a couple times a week for a few hours for stuff that requires it (especially restock the coffee!) for the reporters, engineers, anchors, etc. Our parent company got their computer security provider to offer a free security package for any employees working from home to download on their remote computer for up to 6 months. Parent company is also providing a special PTO code for anyone who isn't essential but can't do their job remote so they can be paid for a certain period of time.
I had ordered hand sanitizer for the office a couple of weeks ago, it was backordered, and now Staples canceled the order. They said they wanted to divert all sanitizers, alcohol, etc to healthcare customers which obviously I totally understand. But it means we'll run out soon. At least we have a lot of Clorox wipes!
My allergies are kicking in. The Bradford pear trees are blooming and those things kill me! My sinuses flair up which causes a cough but I don't sound stuffy, which I'm really self conscious of now! Plus I have to keep reminding myself not to let my monkey brain make me panic, it's just my allergies I'm not dying Lots of deep breathing exercises for this girl right here. 15 -
SA is now up to 11 cases. 4 are travel-related, 3 are related to close association with those infected and 4 are still being investigated.
I think it's safe to say that we're at the level of community spread now.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.
I've heard others saying it for quite a bit longer. It's one of those "tomorrow will never come" stories, right? As long as you say "2 weeks" every day for the next several months, it can never be proven wrong.1 -
There are several hundred different viruses that cause upper respiratory symptoms**, symptoms of varying type, duration and severity.
I had a persistent cough in December severe enough for chest X-ray. I've had similar things in past years, though not at all routinely. I'm not going to speculate about what I had. It's at best pointless, and at worst could be harmful.
COVID-19 may have been here longer than we think. Or maybe not.
Please know when you're speculating, vs. when you actually know something. Be clear in your communications accordingly.
Panic and anxiety are more likely when we feed beliefs about and cover-ups by speaking darkly and imprecisely about speculations.
** https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes
As usual, the voice of reason. Thanks, Ann.3 -
https://youtube.com/watch?v=R35rA34wv_A&feature=emb_share&fbclid=IwAR1kFuBTYGlr8wgtCOrWxh7uhCHjF2fuyt3rDtVBCGE93_liLHWs-QFwAFQ
This doctor is not only knowledgeable but he also speaks clearing so he is easy to hear. Since he is doing this on the fly he must be very bright. This is good info from start to finish. Yes it is technical because it is a serious disease but the things we can do to help ourselves and others are spelled out very well and is worth sharing with others.0 -
It doesn't appear that they have yet to update the Department of Health site as of yet, but as of end of day yesterday Indiana has tested a total of 159 people... 30 confirmed... 2 dead. I think the low number of tested is what annoys me. I know that test kits are rare. I know they can't just test everyone who shows symptoms. I know they have to be reserved for those who really REALLY need the test. But I feel the low number of tested leads to a low number of confirmed cases which leads to people not taking things seriously. I am shocked how many people still think this is just "the flu" or "a really bad cold" or whatever.
IL had tested 1600 as of Sunday (which I guess isn't bad given some of the figures given). I don't know how many now, but I do know they are ramping up (they loosened the guidelines to be tested). We had 93 cases on Sunday, 105 on Monday, and now 160 (22 of which are related to a nursing home case discovered in DuPage Co over the weekend, which is really sad). We just had our first death announced today. Most of the cases are in the Chicago area (where I am) -- the death has been announced to be a woman in her 60s on the South Side.
I know due to more tests and tests coming back the numbers are going to ramp up for a while, but it's playing games with my head.7 -
I heard somewhere in the media that America is two weeks away from what has happened in Italy... is that true or fake news?
It's not really a clear, concrete statement.
When you ask if it's true, what specific things would it mean to you, to decide whether it was true?
Does it mean how many of what types of activity are prohibited, limited, restricted? You can compare what's happening in your area, to what was happening in Italy 2 weeks ago. If you're in the US, this differs by state, and in some cases even by community. (It differed in Italy by region, too.)
Does it mean how many people are tested, diagnosed as positive for COVID, dead or dying? Those statistics are beginning to be available in many communities, and you can compare them to what was happening in Italy. That differed by region/community, too.
And so forth, at the level of things that can really be said to be "true" or "fake".
Personally, I think this is a generic statement, about where our heads are at, about how many people are thinking "it's just the flu, what's the big deal", vs. taking calm prudent action, and everything in between. It doesn't really have a clear truth-value, true or fake. It's just saying that this hit Italy hard before it's hitting certain other areas hard, and people in Italy who were laughing it off aren't laughing as hard now.
Metaphorically, not literally, we're a couple of weeks behind Italy, a few months behind Wuhan (and may not quite get exactly there, if we learned from their experiences), and maybe ahead of some other places either in disease incidence, or effectiveness of response (Iran, for example, is looking to be in pretty bad shape; and some parts of the world already in conflict, with insufficient health facilities or infrastructure, are likely to have major disasters if the disease takes hold - Syria, Sudan, etc.).
Just my opinion, obviously.10 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Dang it - taxes could be delayed 90 days and ours haven’t been filed yet... bummer
I read that they're extending the deadline to file, 90 days but're encouraging filing asap.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/irs-extends-tax-payment-deadline-coronavirus/index.html1 -
cmriverside wrote: »
My husband caught something back in late January and had symptoms like those you describe. He was on again off again sick for about a month or so. He may well have had it - his company does business with China and someone may have traveled there before everything got locked down.bmeadows380 wrote: »We had a few people in my church hospitalized with that stuff in January, too. It was also going around in late November/early December, and the dry cough lasted for weeks. Though that was before the 1st case was discovered in China, so I'm not sure if it was, or not. It was something that had a respiratory component to it, and when I think back to my mom's symptoms, she was extremely lethargic for several days and ran a fever as well with it, and the cough seemed to linger for a while. My church actually limited services for about 2 weeks because of it as it was going around pretty quickly - so was it COVID-19? Maybe? No way of knowing now, though. And unfortunately, it seems that you can re-catch it after you've had it before, so that isn't going to help if it starts around again, though I hope that if you catch it a second time, the case will be milder.
As far as reinfection - it's not clear if it's reinfection or if the illness didn't completely go away, or if the virus went dormant / hid from detection.
Yeah, I had the same type of illness in December. At the time I even said, "This is different to any other illness." Coughing that wouldn't stop, lasted a month. Then I got a sinus infection and was sick for another two weeks. I didn't go to the doctor, but with the sinus infection I was considering it - they can turn on you. I have a lot of close contact with children and Chinese nationals living here in the Seattle area as well as other tourists.
I believe it was here long before February. No way to know if that's what I had. In a way I hope it was...
The flu lab here was testing for it under the radar. You may have seen the news story, it's interesting.
https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/seattle-flu-study-allegedly-tested-samples-for-covid-19-against-federal-state-guidelines
I had a similar experience in mid December. I get the flu shot every year, and haven't had the flu in decades, almost never sick - so I thought it was so bizarre to have a flu like thing. I don't have a thermometer so I don't know if I actually had a fever, but it felt like I had low grade fever and chills coming off and on, a funky cough, that flu-ish feeling...and something I've never experienced before (and mentioned to multiple people because it was so weird) I had this strange shortness of breath. I'm fit and healthy generally, so I got over it in about a week. I still have little moments of shortness of breath all these months later, but it's mostly OK and I can run OK. All these stories are making me wonder...5 -
Antiopelle wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »Update from Belgium: our neighbour country France is in complete lockdown, as well as Switzerland. We now have over a 1.000 reported cases with 10 fatalities (for a pop of 12M) and we expect to go from semi lockdown to full by the end of the week. Borders are closing.
It is surreal! A few weeks ago I told hubbie how surreal it was that a complete province in China was having a lockdown, thinking about a few horror movies we've seen. And now, we are in the same situation.
People, if you are not in a lockdown yet, try to self quarantine as much as possible, even if you are young and in good health. Do not visit your (grand)parents, but call/skype them. Cancel all parties and private gatherings and do not hoard !
3 hours ago since my post and we went from 1.000 to 1.250 confirmed cases...
Sooner than expected, we will lock down as from 12h00 today and I believe it is a good intervention in our country.
The thing that worries me is our neighbouring country, The Netherlands, will not apply the same rules. They will take their chances on the concept of "group immunity", where they assume that a large part of the population will become immune after a first contact with the virus, thus protecting the people with less immunity. If I'm right, this is also the course the UK is taking.
I'm not a scientist, but it seems to be a risky business at these times.9 -
UK has radically changed its view in the last days.
Encouraging home working, decreasing socialisation even in families. Theaters are closing if not closed. Some resteraunts and may be pubs which do food are providing meals for the housebound as their clientel is reducing. People with symptoms have been advised to self isolate, for 7 days where there are multiple people in the home then its 14 days to allow for internal transmission. Things are moving fast. I expect to be advised to stay in my home and garden by virtue of my maturity, verefied by bus pass, giggle. One needs to find humour where we can. Hugs to all. There is talk of supermarket, some small shops are already permitting the "elderly" and those with compormised immume systems to shop earlier the general public. Nation wide buildng society/ bank is offereing counter services before hours for the same demographic.9 -
As of yesterday, all Florida universities are to finish the semester through online courses. Spring graduations (if not already cancelled) are most likely going to be cancelled soon. This was after 4 students at University of Florida tested positive. My best friend teaches 8th grade, and after spring break, they will be teaching from home using Microsoft Teams until April 15th for now.
Bars and nightlife are closed and restaurants are under new capacity and distancing rules. Might be just a matter of time until forced closures? The beaches here are still open though. Florida just hit 216 positive and are finally admitting to possible community spread.3 -
The John Hopkins map is showing 114 deaths in the US as of 8:33 this morning; that's 6 up from just last night. The US's death percentage has been hovering between 1.7% and 1.9% as more cases roll in (based upon my quick method of just dividing the # of reported deaths on the John Hopkins map with the total number of cases).
I hadn't heard much on Spain, but it looks like its starting to expand rapidly there.
Is anyone here from Germany or know about what Germany has been doing? I'm just curious because according to the map, Germany, in spite of having over 10,000 cases, has kept their death percentage way, way low - so I'm curious as to what measures they are using as they seem to be having success.
Meanwhile, the governor of WV mandated the closing of all bars and eat-in restaurants yesterday and all other places to go to drive through or carry out only. The school teachers are coming in and putting together daily work packets for their students and the cafeteria workers are preparing meals. Both the packets and the food are then being given to the school bus drivers who then driver their route and give the stuff out to their students. The next day, they'll take up the previous day's packets and give out the next set. I give kudos to whoever came up with this idea! Unfortunately, in WV, with it being so rural, broadband is very, very limited and home internet access itself isn't widely available, so except for schools who's student population is almost entirely in the Charleston or Morgantown metro areas, and likely in the eastern panhandle, our school system isn't going to be able to continue the semester online, hence the packets idea. The biggest problem with the packets, however, is getting the parents to make their children do them. That's going to be very spotty at best.4 -
Trying to keep a semblance of work these days though things are changing radically. I'm in better financial shape than most, but am worried about the US economy. I'm more worried about nursing homes and the homeless here as well as my elderly friends and neighbors. I've talked to all the local older neighbors and offered to shop for them or do anything I can (and offered what limited toilet paper we have).
The only way I can see any way things get back to "normal" a bit more is if we all wear masks after the first wave and provide people with disposable gloves for work like construction or factory work. Offices will continue to work remote as much as possible.
I think we're seeing vaccines really rushed without all the regulation usually used -- a bit dangerous but necessary right now. It's also hard for those healthy trying to stay healthy with stress, less sleep, not being able to find proper food, etc.
Many have asked if we will be Italy. Yes, I think so. Here's the good news -- we have more per capital ICU beds. We do not have enough ventilators. Docs are getting sick already. I heard 50 ER docs have it already. I think the first wave will and should scare anyone saying it's not serious enough that it will be taken very serious. I think Summer will slow it somewhat. There's debate if humidity kills it more than dry heat.
I think, most importantly, like the Italians, we'll stop for a minute and be more human to each other. Listen, ask if they need anything. I've got my neighbor's numbers and they have mine. It's been years since I've talked to my neighbors so much in advance and see people ready and willing to help each other out.5 -
This, while scary, is also encouraging. Seems that the deaths have leveled off in Italy and haven't continued to grow. 2500 dead now there. So many still in ICU. It seems to have finally peaked and leveled off there. Their hospitals aren't nearly caught up yet, so it's not under control. Not even close.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
BTW, heard from a UK rowing friend that his daughter (an RN) is working 12 hour shifts in a full hazmat suit at like 80 degrees (because it spreads less in heat). Comes home and collapses. And she's taking care of one patient. He said she can't imagine if that's 4 or 5 patients. That's not the flu.9 -
Our numbers today are scary--I'll spare you. You can get them online. They helicoptered 50 grave patients from North to South yesterday because there is no more space in the Northern hospitals. One died on the way. A doctor died yesterday. China is sending us doctors and supplies--hugs to them. The US is putting up a tent ER in Cremona. It's a hospital group called "Good Samaritans" I think. I know many of you are thinking "but we need them at home!" and this is true. However, they will see first hand how the Italians are coping and will then go back better prepared for you. I'm proud of my country for doing this.
The Italians are fighting this tooth and nail, and I'm proud of them too. I used to post from the front lines--you guys are almost there, so soon all of you will be taking over. Hugs to all--stay strong.30 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Our numbers today are scary--I'll spare you. You can get them online. They helicoptered 50 grave patients from North to South yesterday because there is no more space in the Northern hospitals. One died on the way. A doctor died yesterday. China is sending us doctors and supplies--hugs to them. The US is putting up a tent ER in Cremona. It's a hospital group called "Good Samaritans" I think. I know many of you are thinking "but we need them at home!" and this is true. However, they will see first hand how the Italians are coping and will then go back better prepared for you. I'm proud of my country for doing this.
The Italians are fighting this tooth and nail, and I'm proud of them too. I used to post from the front lines--you guys are almost there, so soon all of you will be taking over. Hugs to all--stay strong.
@snowflake954 Sending love from Minnesota, to my fellow Minnesotan. Thank you for the continued updates and I will keep you in my positive thoughts. I wish you safety, health and continued healing for Italy.4 -
My office has started dispensing latex gloves for the commute. We are asked not to wear them in the office. Most people are working from home already.4
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snowflake954 wrote: »Our numbers today are scary--I'll spare you. You can get them online. They helicoptered 50 grave patients from North to South yesterday because there is no more space in the Northern hospitals. One died on the way. A doctor died yesterday. China is sending us doctors and supplies--hugs to them. The US is putting up a tent ER in Cremona. It's a hospital group called "Good Samaritans" I think. I know many of you are thinking "but we need them at home!" and this is true. However, they will see first hand how the Italians are coping and will then go back better prepared for you. I'm proud of my country for doing this.
The Italians are fighting this tooth and nail, and I'm proud of them too. I used to post from the front lines--you guys are almost there, so soon all of you will be taking over. Hugs to all--stay strong.
I am so, so sorry for what all of you are going through. I noticed that your number of new cases seems to have leveled off--a week after you went into national lockdown (3/10). Does that sound correct to you? I will be praying for all of you.
Has your government announced any plans to help people who are completely out of work and will not be getting paid anytime soon? If so, what have they said and do folks in Italy expect it to work?
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I live in Canada. Schools in Alberta are officially closed until September. I am working from home. Most places are closed or have reduced hours. Cases are doubling roughly every two days. We have 97 (confirmed cases in Alberta only) as of this morning's news. 70 of those cases are in my city. Grocery stores are out of most canned goods and definately no toilet paper. So far that's the extent of the panic. It's pretty quiet out there. We are fairly well supplied so far. I have an MRI on Friday if it's not canselled. Until then it's free weights and the treadmill.4
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The Italian part of Switzerland is reaching a critical number of cases. If it continues as is, they'll be out of space in the intensive care units for critical cases by Monday at the latest. The doctors and nursing staff are exhausted and reaching breaking point. One doctor described the situation as a war zone. Between civil and military ambulances and helicopter transport, the stream of patients isn't slowing down.
They'll be transporting critical patients to other parts of the country, but there's no guarantee that those parts won't be hit hard either.
That we "only" have 27 deaths in 2700 odd cases is probably sheer luck. What's frightning is that more and more younger patients are being admitted to ICU because of how serious their condition is.
So far, we're in semi lock down. Most non-essential shops, museums, cinemas etc are closed. We'll probably soon follow France into a complete lock down.12 -
My office has started dispensing latex gloves for the commute. We are asked not to wear them in the office. Most people are working from home already.
That's surprising. I have heard that hospitals are running out of gloves, but they normally would use nitrile rather than latex because of allergies. While this is what I have heard, I haven't seen anything reliable to confirm that is true. Does anyone know anything positively about that?2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.
I've heard others saying it for quite a bit longer. It's one of those "tomorrow will never come" stories, right? As long as you say "2 weeks" every day for the next several months, it can never be proven wrong.
What they've been saying is that we are following Italy's track, which of course has changed over time. I've seen nothing that disputes that.
Re the Monday statement from the surgeon general:
US surgeon general: US cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago
by: Associated Press
Posted: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT / Updated: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT
WASHINGTON — The U.S. surgeon general said Monday that the number of coronavirus cases in the United States has reached the level that Italy recorded two weeks ago, a sign that infections are expected to rise in America as the government steps up testing and financial markets continue to fall.
“We are at a critical inflection point in this country, people. We are where Italy was two weeks ago in terms of our numbers,” U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told Fox News. “When you look at the projections, there’s every chance that we could be Italy.”
Two weeks ago, there were 1,700 cases of coronavirus in Italy and the country had reported 34 deaths. Now, Italy is reporting an estimated 25,000 cases and more than 1,800 people have died. There are about 3,800 cases reported in the United States and so far, more than 65 people have died from coronavirus.
Read more: https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/us-surgeon-general-us-cases-are-where-italy-was-2-weeks-ago/5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.
I've heard others saying it for quite a bit longer. It's one of those "tomorrow will never come" stories, right? As long as you say "2 weeks" every day for the next several months, it can never be proven wrong.
What they've been saying is that we are following Italy's track, which of course has changed over time. I've seen nothing that disputes that.
Re the Monday statement from the surgeon general:
US surgeon general: US cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago
by: Associated Press
Posted: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT / Updated: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT
WASHINGTON — The U.S. surgeon general said Monday that the number of coronavirus cases in the United States has reached the level that Italy recorded two weeks ago, a sign that infections are expected to rise in America as the government steps up testing and financial markets continue to fall.
“We are at a critical inflection point in this country, people. We are where Italy was two weeks ago in terms of our numbers,” U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told Fox News. “When you look at the projections, there’s every chance that we could be Italy.”
Two weeks ago, there were 1,700 cases of coronavirus in Italy and the country had reported 34 deaths. Now, Italy is reporting an estimated 25,000 cases and more than 1,800 people have died. There are about 3,800 cases reported in the United States and so far, more than 65 people have died from coronavirus.
Read more: https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/us-surgeon-general-us-cases-are-where-italy-was-2-weeks-ago/
And now we've got over 30,000 cases, over 3,000 dead, over 2,500 recovered. They are going to try blood transfusions from recovered to critical cases. I'm not being precise on the numbers because they're changing rapidly.11
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