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Went out for what has become almost weekly parking lot concert last night with one of our favorite cover bands. You park in a designated spot, with every other parking spot left open, then just get out in your lawn chairs and watch the band. The company that sets this up also sells Pizza and now they just started serving alcohol again out of a window. If you have to go to the restroom, they have one - so they can disinfect it in between uses -- and it's inside where you have to wear your mask at all times.
The band we like was a little rusty, you could tell, but still great fun. For the first half, an older couple (in their 80s) was dancing in front of us, her with a mask and a hand fan and him smiling the entire time. Was lovely to see people have fun and have a sense of normalcy. One creative couple (because it was still 92 as the sun dropped) brought a garden sprayer and filled it with ice water and was misting folks on the dance area. Most were all great about social distancing and many, even though it was outside, wore masks.
The only downer was kids were parked next to us and were a little close for comfort at times running around. And that saddened me, a bit, because they were actually well behaved kids overall for their ages. Just kids will have a hard time understanding social distancing. Next to impossible to get littler ones to understand that. And the parents were even very good at trying to explain to them not to get too close to others. We weren't that worried about it but it did make you think how times have changed, even as we had a very nice and mostly normal night. I love kids. Well, I love well behaved kids I should say. Makes you too aware of your surroundings. It's the first time I've been near kids since the lockdown. Shame that the perception has changed and it's influenced by "just don't get too close...".
We're both a bit sore after dancing on asphalt, but my wife still has the moves! We want to be that couple in their 80s, still dancing and enjoying life in their later years.16 -
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I wish we had that type of graphic news available here. Today reports of 48 new cases in a week and up to two weeks ago we had none most days for over a month. Its coming back!4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »Today, a local buffet joint had to close down. The owner is in the hospital and spouse has it, too. They didn't believe in masks for the staff or anyone. Experience had to be their teacher. Now, they're out there telling everyone this is real y'all. We should've listened and this is 10x worse than the flu. Can't see the forest for the trees. It gives me a really big pinch.
I'm all out of sympathy for the "I thought it was fake but now it is happening to ME" folks. And I feel like there are going to be many, many more in the near future.
Agreed. I can feel bad for people who were responsible and still got sick. For anyone who refused to do the simple responsible things, for those who claim it is all a big hoax while refusing to wear a mask, and especially for those who hold stupid Covid parties; I feel like they deserved it. There has been enough information available for enough months that one has to intentionally ignore facts to think they shouldn't wear a mask.
And this is coming from someone, if you all recall from early Mar., that thought this wasn't going to be very bad. I was one of those who figured it would be another flu until new information changed my perspective. Some of that information was available to our nation's and world's leaders in Dec. and Jan., to be fair, and they should have made some early decisions to mitigate damage. Wish the rest of us had known those same things at that time.12 -
Our Mayor in Chicago said if the young people don't start wearing masks and practice social distancing, we are going back to Phase 3 which means closing businesses, restaurants, salons and THE GYM!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!
The gyms in CA closed - again - this past Monday. They were open for a little over a month but I never went back because I don't think that they are safe, not matter the precautions, modifications or changes done to the facility. I am too old to take chances.
I am doing some home-workouts; something that I dislike tremendously, but it is better than nothing. It is too hot in my neck of the woods to do anything outside.5 -
Just received our school reopening plan this morning for my to be 3rd and 5th graders. Distance learning starting August 12 and then back to the classroom after labor day on an every other week schedule. Last name A-L one week Tuesday through Friday and M-Z the next week Tuesday through Friday. Masks required. Mondays will be distance learning for all while the school gets a deep clean.7
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Upsetting, sad, hard to accept and believe. At this point I think that people really want to get sick, make other people sick, or kill themselves and the rest of the world. The lack of empathy and respect for human life and well being, and the tremendous amount of selfishness and stupidity are pathetic and insulting, and reaching catastrophic levels.
'Epicenter of the epicenter': Young people partying in Miami Beach despite COVID-19 threat
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/07/16/vacationers-party-florida-even-covid-19-cases-surge/5449754002/8 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Just received our school reopening plan this morning for my to be 3rd and 5th graders. Distance learning starting August 12 and then back to the classroom after labor day on an every other week schedule. Last name A-L one week Tuesday through Friday and M-Z the next week Tuesday through Friday. Masks required. Mondays will be distance learning for all while the school gets a deep clean.
Kansas gave their announcement as well. We are delaying the first day of school until after Labor Day (set to start August 13). Further information on how the in-person learning is yet to be announced, but I do know there will be a virtual option. Hoping our numbers will start to decrease soon, and if not that those who can keep their kids home do so as to not over populate the schools/classrooms any more than necessary.1 -
Upsetting, sad, hard to accept and believe. At this point I think that people really want to get sick, make other people sick, or kill themselves and the rest of the world. The lack of empathy and respect for human life and well being, and the tremendous amount of selfishness and stupidity are pathetic and insulting, and reaching catastrophic levels.
'Epicenter of the epicenter': Young people partying in Miami Beach despite COVID-19 threat
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/07/16/vacationers-party-florida-even-covid-19-cases-surge/5449754002/
It breaks my heart as well. So many people think it is some kind of conspiracy. I woke up this morning to hear my classmate just died of COVID. It is a real thing people!!
My son lives in CA and want my husband and I to come visit. I just dont want to risk it this year.
At my gym I am diligent with cleaning equipment b4 and after use. They have many cleaning stations and hand sanitizer. I go in the mornings where there are less people. I feel more safe there than I do at a restaurant.5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Our Mayor in Chicago said if the young people don't start wearing masks and practice social distancing, we are going back to Phase 3 which means closing businesses, restaurants, salons and THE GYM!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!
I am in NY and we still don't have gyms open even though we are doing way better than most other states!
I work in healthcare and have to wear N95 for 12-15h a day. It does suck, but it is better than spreading the virus. I even developed a really bad face rash because of it the past few weeks. I do find it really hard to breath as I have asthma, but I am allowed to take it off during my breaks when I can go outside which helps.
I've seen a lot of people on bike paths running and biking with masks and don't know how they can do it but if they can while working out, I should be able to with light activity.
We, Illinois, followed NY example. We shutdown fast and started making progress. The cases are rising but not as fast as the Southern states. If everyone can get on the same page we might be able to fight it better3 -
In some ways we actually shut down before NY, but since it hasn't been as dire here (although it's been bad enough), I think some people still aren't taking it seriously enough -- particularly the young.
Here's a somewhat frustrating story about that, that echoes what I've seen: https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-life-young-adults-chicago-covid-uptick-reaction-tt-0715-20200716-vslgp4i2t5eudgt3hchthv6ute-story.html
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Did everybody see the bus driver who was assaulted by a couple people, all over mask requirements; he died due to extensive brain injuries.
WTF is wrong with people???? They need extensive jail time, hopefully in a Covid ward of some kind. I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Covid on my enemies but really, to me that'd be justice working at its best.
Is that the one in France? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/french-bus-driver-beaten-death-after-asking-passengers-wear-face-n1233603
I recall being surprised that stuff like that was apparently happening there too.
A friend of mine took the bus recently, and she said most were wearing them, but not all. I wish the drivers were enforcing them here, or refusing to let people on. Possibly some are, some aren't.
Unfortunately the driver would rather take a chance with the possible virus vs possible physical altercation.
I don't think a physical altercation would be very likely here (you can't get on until you pay, you can't get on without a mask), at least not in the places I've taken buses. My friend said most people were wearing them, and the bus crowd tends to be older on average. Maybe in some parts of the South and West sides it would be different.
I went to the post office downtown last week and had to ask for help finding a package at the desk. There are big signs that masks are required, and everyone was wearing them and standing on the dots that social distance those in line, but then some young woman with a bike (I also doubt bikes are allowed in the building) came up and stood right next to me without a mask. I moved sideways to get away from her (I was at the counter being helped, not in line), but didn't say anything because I am conflict avoidant in public and wasn't really in the mood for the "okay, Karen" or whatever thing she was likely to say, but I was slightly annoyed their security didn't tell her to put a mask on. But since I didn't say anything, I can't really complain, I suppose. I always find it surprising when people are just so blatant in disregarding the rules, though, since I can't imagine doing that.
How does that work? Is the farebox attached to the outside of the bus? The places I've used buses, the fareboxes are inside the bus, next to the driver so s/he can see if you pay or not. And if you can't get on if you're not wearing a mask, does that mean that all the mask-wearers at a stop with one non-mask-wearer gets left behind? All the scenarios I'm imagining where this works involves a level of compliance that I wouldn't expect from someone who has already decided not to mask (e.g., the door opens for the mask-wearers, and the non-mask-wearer just doesn't get on because they're not supposed to).
Even before COVID19, a bus driver here would simply drive to the nearest police station if they were contentious persons on board. Don't know if that would work in your area, but worth a try.
The incidents I see on the local news since they installed security cams on all the buses typically don't look like they allow for that kind of time. E.g., someone boards and doesn't pay. As soon as the driver says something, the person takes out a weapon or just starts pummeling the driver. Then they generally depart pretty quickly.
I suppose it might work in situations where the passenger gets involved in an altercation with another passenger. The driver could just let it go down while driving to the police station. But I would think in most cases the offending passenger would eventually notice the driver has gone off track. If they suspected what was happening (and after the first couple of times a driver managed to get the bus to the police station, everybody would know it was happening), the result would be the same: turn the weapon or fists on the driver and then leave.
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One of the the larger school districts in our area announced their plan. Parents will make a binding choice for the fall semester
- Child will go to school in person with distancing measures, masks required, etc. Classes will be taught by the district's teachers. If there is an outbreak these kids will be taught remotely by their regular teachers
- Child will remote school. Instruction will be through a 3rd party provider.
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I live in Hampton Roads VA, the biggest problem center in Virginia.
I've walked by several house parties in the afternoons. One of them was a volleyball party, with teenagers coming over and hugging each other and whatnot. It's disheartening that people are acting this way.
In grocery stores, most people I see wear masks, but there are always a couple that don't. And some of those that do, don't wear them properly- not covering their nose.
On my walks, my neighbors will get super close to me and want to talk, while neither of us are wearing masks. I do a lot of crossing the street/turning around/avoiding. I need to just bite the bullet and wear a mask walking around my neighborhood- in the past I've not come across a lot of people, so I didn't prioritize wearing a mask for exercise, but I guess that's done now. I walk early in the morning, around 4, when no one's out, and then in the afternoon, that's when everyone's out.
I'm in a text group where the moms say that they're "beaching it," doing normal summer things. I don't know whether they take precautions or not, or whether they go at off-hours, or whatever. I hope they are.
People are just tired of confining themselves, I guess. And so am I. But I'm not tired enough to stop trying to keep my family and my neighbors safe. I do feel that the people around me believe I'm overreacting. My extended family is having a *kitten* reunion in a week, flying in from all over the country. We are of course not going. I hope nothing bad happens.20 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »One of the the larger school districts in our area announced their plan. Parents will make a binding choice for the fall semester
- Child will go to school in person with distancing measures, masks required, etc. Classes will be taught by the district's teachers. If there is an outbreak these kids will be taught remotely by their regular teachers
- Child will remote school. Instruction will be through a 3rd party provider.
This is interesting because I was just asking elsewhere about the plan. If a teacher or student is infected, then everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that person quarantines for 2 weeks? And if one of them ends up sick, does everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that teacher or student quarantine for 2 weeks?4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »One of the the larger school districts in our area announced their plan. Parents will make a binding choice for the fall semester
- Child will go to school in person with distancing measures, masks required, etc. Classes will be taught by the district's teachers. If there is an outbreak these kids will be taught remotely by their regular teachers
- Child will remote school. Instruction will be through a 3rd party provider.
This is interesting because I was just asking elsewhere about the plan. If a teacher or student is infected, then everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that person quarantines for 2 weeks? And if one of them ends up sick, does everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that teacher or student quarantine for 2 weeks?
Not to mention that multiple families have more than one child in school. Compound this by what the plan is if someone in class A gets sick and someone in that classroom has a sibling in Class B. Is all of Class B now expected to quarantine? The logistics of this seem almost overwhelming.8 -
Agreed. In Wuhan, cohabitants of infected people, by and large, became infected. Officials moved infected people who weren't very sick to a quarantine center (often against their will) to prevent spreading to others in the domicile who might get very sick. Here in the US, I can see how in a crowded home, it would spread as in Wuhan. Some homes are spacious, though, spacious enough to distance and to prevent spread to cohabitants. It highlights yet another contrast between real life consequences to rich vs. poor.
So in janejellyroll's example, in a rich school district, policies could assume siblings can isolate, but it's a bad assumption in less affluent areas. And most districts aren't uniformly affluent. So what do you do... have different rules depending on how big a family's home is? Less affluent families have more pressure to work (and therefore to send kids to school). How can policies account for that? Hard to see how this could be implemented practically.
The NYT just had an interesting article delineating measures private schools can afford to open safely vs. under-resourced public schools. My county health dept just issued an order prohibiting all schools, public and private, from opening in person before Labor Day. I'm sure things will get murky beyond that. The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.6 -
Agreed. In Wuhan, cohabitants of infected people, by and large, became infected. They moved infected people who weren't very sick to a quarantine center (often against their will) to prevent spreading to others in the domicile who might get very sick. Here in the US, I can see how in a crowded home, it would spread as in Wuhan. Some homes are spacious, though, spacious enough to distance and to prevent spread to cohabitants. It highlights yet another contrast between real life consequences to rich vs. poor.
So in janejellyroll's example, in a rich school district, policies could assume siblings can isolate, but it's a bad assumption in less affluent areas. And most districts aren't uniformly affluent. So what do you do... have different rules depending on how big a family's home is? Less affluent families have more pressure to work (and therefore to send kids to school). How can policies account for that? Hard to see how this could be implemented practically.
The NYT just had an interesting article delineating measures private schools can afford to open safely vs. under-resourced public schools. My county health dept just issued an order prohibiting all schools, public and private, from opening in person before Labor Day. I'm sure things will get murky beyond that. The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Not to mention that the families who have less room to isolate are more likely to have adults in the home who are working public facing jobs and may not have the available sick leave in order to self-isolate if they find out someone in the household is exposed. The risk is going to go both ways - school children will bring COVID home and adults will take it to their workplaces.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »One of the the larger school districts in our area announced their plan. Parents will make a binding choice for the fall semester
- Child will go to school in person with distancing measures, masks required, etc. Classes will be taught by the district's teachers. If there is an outbreak these kids will be taught remotely by their regular teachers
- Child will remote school. Instruction will be through a 3rd party provider.
This is interesting because I was just asking elsewhere about the plan. If a teacher or student is infected, then everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that person quarantines for 2 weeks? And if one of them ends up sick, does everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that teacher or student quarantine for 2 weeks?
I was told parents were being surveyed to see if the home had the ability to take the kid's temperature before leaving the house. In theory a sick kid won't be getting on the bus.0 -
The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.10 -
cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
I've often wondered as I'm reading this thread how those who are isolated are doing. I see so many people saying we need to keep parents/grandparents safe and essentially totally isolated to keep them from getting Covid. In no way do I think we should deliberately spread it to those who are most vulnerable, but is it worth grandpa getting a longer life if that life is spent in isolation and him being unhappy due to not being able to spend time, hug or even see his family? There needs to be balance for all...I'm not sure what the answer is but the mental health effects on our most vulnerable are not being taken into consideration it seems like.
Plus e-learning just won't work for so many kids - whether it's because they do not have the resources at home to be able to utilize it, don't have the necessary supervision/involved parents to be successful or a multitude of other factors - we aren't doing most kids any favors by keeping them at home.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
If the argument is that those of us with resources should be LESS concerned about the deaths of those with fewer resources, I'm going to have to disagree.
I'm lucky to be able to work from home. I realize that, which is why I am a strong advocate for other people to be more protected. Since we're supposed to keep politics out of this conversation, I can't share details of exactly what I have in mind. But I'll just say that I don't think you're really truly "making your own choice" if you're choosing between being evicted because you can't pay your rent and sending your kids to school in uncertain circumstances so that you can work.
If I wasn't privileged, I would hope that someone would give some thought to me and think that I mattered, that I wasn't just an acceptable loss we'll have in order to get back to "normal."
We still aren't sure what recovery looks like, how many people will have lifelong impacts. "More people won't [die]" isn't the whole scope of how people can potentially be harmed.12 -
cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
If I were not privileged (and I've been in that situation before), I would hope and pray that everyone who could stay home, did. That everyone that could be distant, was.
What I'm seeing is not people who are desperate, or people that are in bad financial straits, that are the ones having parties and taking risks. These are comfortable, privileged people, who have no business being out. I do not judge people who need money doing their best in a crap situation. I only judge people who I know can safely and comfortably stay home and are choosing not to do so.
If everyone that can stay home, does, that is so many more people off the street. I won't get political about people who have to live hand-to-mouth even before all this. That is a problem, I agree.18 -
CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »I live in Hampton Roads VA, the biggest problem center in Virginia.
I've walked by several house parties in the afternoons. One of them was a volleyball party, with teenagers coming over and hugging each other and whatnot. It's disheartening that people are acting this way.
In grocery stores, most people I see wear masks, but there are always a couple that don't. And some of those that do, don't wear them properly- not covering their nose.
On my walks, my neighbors will get super close to me and want to talk, while neither of us are wearing masks. I do a lot of crossing the street/turning around/avoiding. I need to just bite the bullet and wear a mask walking around my neighborhood- in the past I've not come across a lot of people, so I didn't prioritize wearing a mask for exercise, but I guess that's done now. I walk early in the morning, around 4, when no one's out, and then in the afternoon, that's when everyone's out.
I'm in a text group where the moms say that they're "beaching it," doing normal summer things. I don't know whether they take precautions or not, or whether they go at off-hours, or whatever. I hope they are.
People are just tired of confining themselves, I guess. And so am I. But I'm not tired enough to stop trying to keep my family and my neighbors safe. I do feel that the people around me believe I'm overreacting. My extended family is having a *kitten* reunion in a week, flying in from all over the country. We are of course not going. I hope nothing bad happens.
i try to do my best to keep my mask in my pocket, or i run/walk in the rain lol. People stay inside usually so i get the whole road to myself when i do this!4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
If the argument is that those of us with resources should be LESS concerned about the deaths of those with fewer resources, I'm going to have to disagree.
I'm lucky to be able to work from home. I realize that, which is why I am a strong advocate for other people to be more protected. Since we're supposed to keep politics out of this conversation, I can't share details of exactly what I have in mind. But I'll just say that I don't think you're really truly "making your own choice" if you're choosing between being evicted because you can't pay your rent and sending your kids to school in uncertain circumstances so that you can work.
If I wasn't privileged, I would hope that someone would give some thought to me and think that I mattered, that I wasn't just an acceptable loss we'll have in order to get back to "normal."
We still aren't sure what recovery looks like, how many people will have lifelong impacts. "More people won't [die]" isn't the whole scope of how people can potentially be harmed.
Sure, Utopia. How we would love thee.
Said everyone in the history of Ever.
Jane, we have the system we have.
You know I didn't mean this:If the argument is that those of us with resources should be LESS concerned about the deaths of those with fewer resources, I'm going to have to disagree.
So since you're so concerned, what are you actually doing about it other than hand-wringing? Are you donating all your extra money? Are you paying tuition for under-privileged kids? How about taking in a single mom with two kids and supporting them and letting them live in your third bedroom? It's very easy to type these oh-so-noble Truths out on a fitness forum, where they don't cost you anything.
How about getting all your comfortable friends to go in on a house for homeless people? Buying groceries for a family out of work? I'm not saying I do all that stuff, either. People are mostly a bunch of hot air though. When pressed to DO something, it's someone else's problem. The Government should do it. Yadda yadda.
So let's look at the UK. They have socialized medicine. They decided to do the herd immunity thing. It was ugly. But they can't afford to shut down the economy and still care for the people. Same with Sweden. Socialization is not the answer. Self-determination and self-accountability can be the answer - but not if people are locked out of working.6 -
cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
I think other countries managed to keep most people financially solvent and safe at home, and I'm angry we didn't even really seem to try to do that.
And I think if all of the people who are privileged enough to be able to work from home actually stayed at home and self quarantined as completely as possible, we would be making conditions for essential workers much safer.
Unfortunately, back when we were supposed to be staying at home, people were running to the grocery or big box stores multiple times a week, browsing, going to family and friends houses, arguing about wearing masks. And now people are packing bars and throwing covid parties.
Our country's epically bad handling of this crisis is forcing people who were already struggling to make awful choices between two evils and it sucks. It's historically tragic. And it didn't have to be that way.13 -
cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
I think other countries managed to keep most people financially solvent and safe at home, and I'm angry we didn't even really seem to try to do that.
And I think if all of the people who are privileged enough to be able to work from home actually stayed at home and self quarantined as completely as possible, we would be making conditions for essential workers much safer.
Unfortunately, back when we were supposed to be staying at home, people were running to the grocery or big box stores multiple times a week, browsing, going to family and friends houses, arguing about wearing masks. And now people are packing bars and throwing covid parties.
Our country's epically bad handling if this crisis is forcing people who were already struggling to make awful choices between two evils and it sucks. It's historically tragic. And it didn't have to be this way.
I think it DID have to be this way.
Those countries that kept people home? China. We won't go there.
Name another country that isn't an island and that has 300 million people who successfully contained this particular virus.
There isn't one because this virus is not containable. Never has been. It's not like ebola where people show symptoms and then die. You can't trace contacts of a virus that acts like the common cold until three weeks in when people die.
The financial solvency...who did that? Kiwis? Well bully for them in a island nation with what - 5 million people? It's not over yet for them, by the way. They just delayed it. Hopefully there will be a vaccine, but even that isn't a sure thing. You can't shut down an economy for a year...well, I guess you CAN, but the consequences are huge.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »One of the the larger school districts in our area announced their plan. Parents will make a binding choice for the fall semester
- Child will go to school in person with distancing measures, masks required, etc. Classes will be taught by the district's teachers. If there is an outbreak these kids will be taught remotely by their regular teachers
- Child will remote school. Instruction will be through a 3rd party provider.
This is interesting because I was just asking elsewhere about the plan. If a teacher or student is infected, then everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that person quarantines for 2 weeks? And if one of them ends up sick, does everyone who rode the bus or had a class with that teacher or student quarantine for 2 weeks?
Not to mention that multiple families have more than one child in school. Compound this by what the plan is if someone in class A gets sick and someone in that classroom has a sibling in Class B. Is all of Class B now expected to quarantine? The logistics of this seem almost overwhelming.
Exactly! Just have everyone do virtual. Students without a computer/internet can maybe be sent packets of materials to read and complete.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
I think other countries managed to keep most people financially solvent and safe at home, and I'm angry we didn't even really seem to try to do that.
And I think if all of the people who are privileged enough to be able to work from home actually stayed at home and self quarantined as completely as possible, we would be making conditions for essential workers much safer.
Unfortunately, back when we were supposed to be staying at home, people were running to the grocery or big box stores multiple times a week, browsing, going to family and friends houses, arguing about wearing masks. And now people are packing bars and throwing covid parties.
Our country's epically bad handling if this crisis is forcing people who were already struggling to make awful choices between two evils and it sucks. It's historically tragic. And it didn't have to be this way.
I think it DID have to be this way.
Those countries that kept people home? China. We won't go there.
Name another country that isn't an island and that has 300 million people who successfully contained this particular virus.
There isn't one because this virus is not containable. Never has been. It's not like ebola where people show symptoms and then die. You can't trace contacts of a virus that acts like the common cold until three weeks in when people die.
I agree it was destined to be more of a challenge here. But if you look at the numbers, our cases per capita and deaths per capita contradict your post. Most of the EU has it under control. Canada is doing light years better than we are. But the only reason it HAD to be like this in the US is because of where we put our priorities. IMHO it was a choice, and we soothe ourselves by ignoring the other options we had. I can't really say more without getting political.
I'm privileged enough to be able to work from home, but I am now and have always been barely keeping my head above water, so it's hard for me to financially help others. I try my best though. It's frustrating that there's plenty of money out there, it's just not being used to get the people struggling through this. I don't think I'm required to be paying other people's rent to express dissatisfaction with the way our government and corporate America has handled the last 6 months14 -
cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
I think other countries managed to keep most people financially solvent and safe at home, and I'm angry we didn't even really seem to try to do that.
And I think if all of the people who are privileged enough to be able to work from home actually stayed at home and self quarantined as completely as possible, we would be making conditions for essential workers much safer.
Unfortunately, back when we were supposed to be staying at home, people were running to the grocery or big box stores multiple times a week, browsing, going to family and friends houses, arguing about wearing masks. And now people are packing bars and throwing covid parties.
Our country's epically bad handling of this crisis is forcing people who were already struggling to make awful choices between two evils and it sucks. It's historically tragic. And it didn't have to be that way.
Exactly this. Back in late Mar. and April, some if us were staying home and only going for groceries and laundromat once every week or 2, otherwise staying home. Most others (most where I live at least) were acting like nothing was different and were traveling around as much as always. Until recently, I was the only person wearing a mask anywhere. Even now, I see very few outside of work (which requires it).
But FINALLY, my county (Dyer County, TN) will have a mask mandate starting on Mon. I will be interested to see how well that is enforced. Back when Memphis started requiring masks, someone at work made the comment "I guess I'm not going to Memphis anytime soon." She never did anyway, but now what is she going to do? Not come to this county to work? They are required at work anyway, so never understood the conplaint.8 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »The harsh reality is that those with the fewest resources to keep safe have the most pressure to get back to pre-covid practices.
Honestly this restriction has gone on long enough that this group is probably approaching critical mass right now.
Those of you in this thread who are the loudest proponents of social distancing and masks and quarantines...how would you feel about all this were you not privileged? It's easy for those with stay-home capability to pontificate from their keyboards but the reality is that tens of millions of people are living basically hand-to-mouth even in the best of economic times.
Unless you know a way to fabricate money out of thin air, I think allowing everyone to make their own choice is going to be the only way forward. Yes, people are going to die. More people won't. The choice should not be up to rich people living in comfortable isolation with plenty of money.
I think other countries managed to keep most people financially solvent and safe at home, and I'm angry we didn't even really seem to try to do that.
And I think if all of the people who are privileged enough to be able to work from home actually stayed at home and self quarantined as completely as possible, we would be making conditions for essential workers much safer.
Unfortunately, back when we were supposed to be staying at home, people were running to the grocery or big box stores multiple times a week, browsing, going to family and friends houses, arguing about wearing masks. And now people are packing bars and throwing covid parties.
Our country's epically bad handling if this crisis is forcing people who were already struggling to make awful choices between two evils and it sucks. It's historically tragic. And it didn't have to be this way.
I think it DID have to be this way.
Those countries that kept people home? China. We won't go there.
Name another country that isn't an island and that has 300 million people who successfully contained this particular virus.
There isn't one because this virus is not containable. Never has been. It's not like ebola where people show symptoms and then die. You can't trace contacts of a virus that acts like the common cold until three weeks in when people die.
I agree it was destined to be more of a challenge here. But if you look at the numbers, our cases per capita and deaths per capita contradict your post. Most of the EU has it under control. Canada is doing light years better than we are. But the only reason it HAD to be like this in the US is because of where we put our priorities. IMHO it was a choice, and we soothe ourselves by ignoring the other options we had. I can't really say more without getting political.
I'm privileged enough to be able to work from home, but I am now and have always been barely keeping my head above water, so it's hard for me to financially help others. I try my best though. It's frustrating that there's plenty of money out there, it's just not being used to get the people struggling through this. I don't think I'm required to be paying other people's rent to express dissatisfaction with the way our government and corporate America has handled the last 6 months
Most of the EU has it under control.
No.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. EU didn't do any better job.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
I would venture a guess that we have better reporting than a lot of the countries that fall below us rate-wise. I would also venture a guess that many of those countries are operating behind a veil of partial secrecy/denial/trying to keep the masses calm and their economies as open as possible.
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