How can this have happened?? Totally gutted!

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  • methetree
    methetree Posts: 381
    Either way, you need to go talk to your doctor, eat more, and when you ask a question at least have a little willingness to contemplate the answers you receive.

    So many people on here are giving you very insightful advice, people that were in the same place as you are right now and you continue to say your nutritionist knows best, correct people for being wrong and generally throw the answers you asked for back in peoples faces.

    I wish you best of luck.

    Maybe next time you will be more open minded.
  • pinkita
    pinkita Posts: 779 Member
    That's only 1.7 lbs.

    Are you sure it's fat? Nutritionists don't have to go to school or even be properly educated. I could legally set up shop tomorrow and call myself a nutritionist. DIETITIANS are actual doctors. I, personally, wouldn't trust a nutritionist or his/her tools.

    I hate to sidetrack on this thread but where did you get that information/idea? Dietitians are not medical doctors. In the U.S., a dietitian has at least a four-year Bachelor's degree in nutrition/dietetics (or graduate degree), has to have completed an internship, and has to pass a national registration exam from the American Dietetic Association.
  • emmab0902
    emmab0902 Posts: 2,338 Member
    Firstly she is actually far more knowledgeable than any dietitian I know.

    Just how many dietitians do you know? I'm just saying, dietitian is to nutritionist as dentist is to tooth theologist. It's NOT the same and she might SOUND knowledgeable but you're not losing weight and it sounds like she has you under-eating. Not signs of a competent professional, IMHO.
    Secondly nobody has managed to explain how you GAIN in a calorie deficit. Hard to lose I understand. But someone please explain how you gain?

    You don't. So, I'm thinking her tools are faulty.

    Listen, honey. This thread is FULL of good information but you're rejecting it. You need to reevaluate why you're just tossing aside really sound input from MULTIPLE sources in favor of what your nutritionist is already doing that ISN'T working.

    All I can say is, please re-read what everyone has posted, consider implementing some of this advice and maybe not take the nutritionist's words as gospel. Good luck.

    Yyeeaa... lost cause, unfortunately. She's not going to admit she's wrong no matter how many people tell her she is. Her cooky dietician told her she's fine eating less than 1,000 calories so it must be true.

    I wish you the best, emmab0902. truely.

    That is highly offensive and unhelpful. Of course I am listening and have made changes to my intake. I have not said I am right and others are wrong. And my nutritionist did not say it is ok to go below 1000. Thanks to later posters who have given useful considered advice that I have taken on board.
  • McKayMachina
    McKayMachina Posts: 2,670 Member
    Firstly she is actually far more knowledgeable than any dietitian I know.

    Just how many dietitians do you know? I'm just saying, dietitian is to nutritionist as dentist is to tooth theologist. It's NOT the same and she might SOUND knowledgeable but you're not losing weight and it sounds like she has you under-eating. Not signs of a competent professional, IMHO.
    Secondly nobody has managed to explain how you GAIN in a calorie deficit. Hard to lose I understand. But someone please explain how you gain?

    You don't. So, I'm thinking her tools are faulty.

    Listen, honey. This thread is FULL of good information but you're rejecting it. You need to reevaluate why you're just tossing aside really sound input from MULTIPLE sources in favor of what your nutritionist is already doing that ISN'T working.

    All I can say is, please re-read what everyone has posted, consider implementing some of this advice and maybe not take the nutritionist's words as gospel. Good luck.

    Yyeeaa... lost cause, unfortunately. She's not going to admit she's wrong no matter how many people tell her she is. Her cooky dietician told her she's fine eating less than 1,000 calories so it must be true.

    I wish you the best, emmab0902. truely.

    That is highly offensive and unhelpful. Of course I am listening and have made changes to my intake. I have not said I am right and others are wrong. And my nutritionist did not say it is ok to go below 1000. Thanks to later posters who have given useful considered advice that I have taken on board.

    Highly offensive? Anyone think I was highly, or even REMOTELY offensive? I just don't get it. I was trying to help. But you can be angry with me if you want to be. No skin off MY teeth. But, I will still urge you to stop being so stubborn and open your mind a bit to what everyone here has to say. EVERYONE. Good luck. I really mean that.
    That's only 1.7 lbs.

    Are you sure it's fat? Nutritionists don't have to go to school or even be properly educated. I could legally set up shop tomorrow and call myself a nutritionist. DIETITIANS are actual doctors. I, personally, wouldn't trust a nutritionist or his/her tools.

    I hate to sidetrack on this thread but where did you get that information/idea? Dietitians are not medical doctors. In the U.S., a dietitian has at least a four-year Bachelor's degree in nutrition/dietetics (or graduate degree), has to have completed an internship, and has to pass a national registration exam from the American Dietetic Association.

    Good info. You're right. I should NOT have specified "doctor" anywhere in that post. I should have said what you've just outlined. A dietitian requires a degree and registration. A nutritionist requires ƒuckall.

    Thanks for the correction! :drinker:
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    Just to correct a post - I gained fat AND muscle - I havent' lost muscle.

    You can't gain fat and muscle.. It's nearly impossible to gain muscle on a calorie deficit.
  • McKayMachina
    McKayMachina Posts: 2,670 Member
    Just to correct a post - I gained fat AND muscle - I havent' lost muscle.

    You can't gain fat and muscle.. It's nearly impossible to gain muscle on a calorie deficit.

    She won't accept that the tool her nutritionist uses is faulty, despite it being posted several times by familiar parties. :/
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    Just to correct a post - I gained fat AND muscle - I havent' lost muscle.

    You can't gain fat and muscle.. It's nearly impossible to gain muscle on a calorie deficit.

    This!

    It's counter intuative. Because you need it takes sufficient nutrition to gain muscle (need .5 -1g of protein per pound of lean body mass) and mal nutrition will lead to fat increases due to your bodies retention of fat/carbs (as noted before) to preserve energy.



    If you want to see how smart your nutritionist is, ask them how they calculated yoru caloric needs. Was it utilizing body fat to determine your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) and factor in your Total Daily Energy Expended (TDEE) or did they just use the generic 1200 calories for women crap? It's rare that person truely only requires 1200 calories, in reality, most people need more to gain muscle and lose weight.

    To put some perspective, you need .5 -1g of protein per pound of lean body mass. That means, if you weight 140 lbs and have 30% body fat, that means you have 96 lbs of lean body mass [ LBM = weight - (weight*body fat)]. That means you need 50 - 98 grams of protein. And since 1 g of protein equals 4 calories, that means 200-400 calories just in protein. Now, you also need complex carbs for energy and fats for proper brain and organ function. 1 g of carbs = 4 calories and 1 g of fat is 9 calories. So how can you obtain all those stuff from less than 1200 calories..
  • maidentl
    maidentl Posts: 3,203 Member
    And my nutritionist did not say it is ok to go below 1000.

    Now you're playing at semantics. You said she has seen and approved your food log and told you not to increase your calories. You barely get 1000 calories a day and some days you're under that, therefore, yes she approves of it.
  • emmab0902
    emmab0902 Posts: 2,338 Member
    McKay it wasn't your post I found offensive it was the person calling me a lost cause.
  • McKayMachina
    McKayMachina Posts: 2,670 Member
    McKay it wasn't your post I found offensive it was the person calling me a lost cause.

    Thank you very much for clarifying. I'm sorry if I came off as harsh before. It's that sense of, "I'm so mad at you because I want you to be happy/healthy!" kind of thing. I know it's odd to get that way over strangers but we all seem to do it here. It's like a looking-out-for-our-own pack mentality or something.

    But, yeah, I hope to see you posting some better news in the coming weeks. Best of luck.
  • emmab0902
    emmab0902 Posts: 2,338 Member
    Thanks for that. I have changed my macros and am watching sugar intake and will TRY to make sure I eat 1200 cals a day. I know it isn't ecessarily going to mean I net 1200 every day but small steps at a time and will constanty review things as I am tapering down my heart meds to see what that does.
  • shelly714
    shelly714 Posts: 8 Member
    So can everyone see my food diary also?
  • venom74799
    venom74799 Posts: 36
    Glad to see you trying something different
  • inlander
    inlander Posts: 339 Member
    emmab, i noticed you ate more closely to 1200 calories today. :) way to go! let us know how the increase goes ... i think it'll work for you. if not, you definitely ought to visit a medical doctor to run a thyroid test or something. who knows, there could be something wrong.
  • ursula0601k
    ursula0601k Posts: 169 Member
    So can everyone see my food diary also?
    no. U must have it set to private. I couldn't see it.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,988 Member
    Anything that reads "impedance" will be off because of the fluctuations of water, salt, electrolytes and any other "conductive" elements in the body like iron.
  • phlumpet
    phlumpet Posts: 106 Member
    Thanks for that. I have changed my macros and am watching sugar intake and will TRY to make sure I eat 1200 cals a day. I know it isn't ecessarily going to mean I net 1200 every day but small steps at a time and will constanty review things as I am tapering down my heart meds to see what that does.

    Really not a good idea to change the dose of your own heart medications without speaking to a doctor. As a nurse, I really cannot stress this enough. I would also encourage you to seek help for your eating disorder.
  • emmab0902
    emmab0902 Posts: 2,338 Member
    Thanks for that. I have changed my macros and am watching sugar intake and will TRY to make sure I eat 1200 cals a day. I know it isn't ecessarily going to mean I net 1200 every day but small steps at a time and will constanty review things as I am tapering down my heart meds to see what that does.

    Really not a good idea to change the dose of your own heart medications without speaking to a doctor. As a nurse, I really cannot stress this enough. I would also encourage you to seek help for your eating disorder.
    I saw my doctor yesterday who approved the decrease. I would never play with medication without doctor supervision let alone heart meds! And for the record I don't HAVE an eating disorder. What I HAD was a couple of years of being very underweight from stress etc after losing my mother and a child within 12 months. That is ancient history now.
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