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Face mask or no face mask?
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Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.10 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
It may have been this photo: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/anthony-fauci-face-mask-down-photo-coronavirus/507-e33379cb-d79e-479b-9960-13293c96572f
He pulled down his mask to drink some water around a close friend (who was masked at the time). We're not exactly talking about going to a crowded bar or refusing to wear a mask at the local grocery store.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.
So what do you consider to be an accurate source of information on COVID-19, the current impact on the US, and how to reduce risk?
Or are we in a "reality is unknowable" situation?
Absolutely unknown.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.
So what do you consider to be an accurate source of information on COVID-19, the current impact on the US, and how to reduce risk?
Or are we in a "reality is unknowable" situation?
Absolutely unknown.
I really don't know how to reach common ground with someone who insists that basic facts about the world and our current situation are unknown and unknowable, so . . . good luck.11 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gullible?7 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gaulable?
6 friends that work in 3 different hospitals around here, ER, staff nurses, office paperwork.
All have confirmed that not all deaths are tagged as Covid. Already came up because of exaggerated claims.
So all test data is screwed and all news is lies? Apparently not as gullible as you.
And while I do believe groups will play something up to get more fed money (bigger the scare bigger the help needed) - we are well beyond that.12 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gaulable?
Wait, I thought you said above that we can't know anything about the situation. Now you're maintaining that THESE things are happening? How are you determining that these stories are plausible but the thousands of stories from individuals sharing how they have been impacted by illness and death are fabrications?11 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gaulable?
6 friends that work in 3 different hospitals around here, ER, staff nurses, office paperwork.
All have confirmed that not all deaths are tagged as Covid. Already came up because of exaggerated claims.
So all test data is screwed and all news is lies? Apparently not as gullible as you.
And while I do believe groups will play something up to get more fed money (bigger the scare bigger the help needed) - we are well beyond that.
Some hospitals have done so. Hospitals in Florida were busted scewing numbers. So how can you believe numbers with so much false data? You can't.4 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gaulable?
6 friends that work in 3 different hospitals around here, ER, staff nurses, office paperwork.
All have confirmed that not all deaths are tagged as Covid. Already came up because of exaggerated claims.
So all test data is screwed and all news is lies? Apparently not as gullible as you.
And while I do believe groups will play something up to get more fed money (bigger the scare bigger the help needed) - we are well beyond that.
Some hospitals have done so. Hospitals in Florida were busted scewing numbers. So how can you believe numbers with so much false data? You can't.
Can you please cite a source that proves hospitals in Florida were busted skewing numbers? (ETA: I found these articles, but they are relatively old, so I don't know about anything recent)
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/20/trust-index-are-hospitals-inflating-covid-19-death-count/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/4 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gaulable?
6 friends that work in 3 different hospitals around here, ER, staff nurses, office paperwork.
All have confirmed that not all deaths are tagged as Covid. Already came up because of exaggerated claims.
So all test data is screwed and all news is lies? Apparently not as gullible as you.
And while I do believe groups will play something up to get more fed money (bigger the scare bigger the help needed) - we are well beyond that.
Some hospitals have done so. Hospitals in Florida were busted scewing numbers. So how can you believe numbers with so much false data? You can't.
Can you please cite a source that proves hospitals in Florida were busted skewing numbers? (ETA: I found these articles, but they are relatively old, so I don't know about anything recent)
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/20/trust-index-are-hospitals-inflating-covid-19-death-count/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/
Regarding Florida, this is a popular claim on social media but I haven't seen any evidence that it is true: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/covid-19-data-reporting-changed-but-not-floridas-case-count/
But given that this person says that no media report can be trusted and we can't trust any source of information on COVID-19, I don't know how he could establish his claim. If there are no valid sources, no claim can ever be established as true (which I think may be the point).8 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gullible?
There was a member here from Italy back when the going got truly bad there, she kept warning the U.S. how bad it would/could be. Who was that and where is she? That was a source right from where it was happening, with nothing to gain personally.
As far as exact numbers? I think there is too much room for error to be considered exact, but I feel the numbers are definitely close enough to bother me.2 -
Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gullible?
There was a member here from Italy back when the going got truly bad there, she kept warning the U.S. how bad it would/could be. Who was that and where is she? That was a source right from where it was happening, with nothing to gain personally.
As far as exact numbers? I think there is too much room for error to be considered exact, but I feel the numbers are definitely close enough to bother me.
@snowflake954 , I think. IIRC, she and her family live in Rome.2 -
To @cgvet37 And others who took the baton and are running with it, I agree, brother.
Paridae man out, back to lurking.2 -
I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.
QAnon in the house!13 -
A few years ago I just ignored the swine flu...
and then I ended up in an ambulance, then to the ER with an oxygen mask and an IV.
I know what it is like to not be able to get enough air, to feel like your chest is going to explode.
And, that wasn't for very long.
I wouldn't wish that on anyone, however, if anyone doesn't want to take the recommended measures (mask-wearing, hand washing, social distancing) cause COVID doesn't seem real to them, let me suggest this:
Fill a tub with water
Lay back
Immerse your entire head in water until you can't breathe.
Get up and then imagine that over and over and over again with a tube stuck down your throat for good measure.
If anyone wants to risk that feeling for days/weeks/months for yourself, I can't dissuade you.
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I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.
There are many reasons why I disagree with this comment. Aside from any facts I could look up and reference, here's the biggest reason why I don't believe in conspiracy theories: human nature.
We can't even cooperate with our allies and business partners over trade deals and other ordinary things. We disagree with each other over everything, from politics to religion to recycling. Human beings are a mess.
Yet, a whole bunch of large organizations are supposed to be working together in some shadowy plot to lie to us and program us -- for freaking what reason? People have never been able to organize worldwide over anything for long.
I wholeheartedly believe people swallow conspiracy theories because:
(1) it's easier than facing reality, which is not only scary, but shows humans have no control over a lot of things
(2) you can bond with others who believe in the same conspiracies and feel you're "right" and "know the truth"
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I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.
There are many reasons why I disagree with this comment. Aside from any facts I could look up and reference, here's the biggest reason why I don't believe in conspiracy theories: human nature.
We can't even cooperate with our allies and business partners over trade deals and other ordinary things. We disagree with each other over everything, from politics to religion to recycling. Human beings are a mess.
Yet, a whole bunch of large organizations are supposed to be working together in some shadowy plot to lie to us and program us -- for freaking what reason? People have never been able to organize worldwide over anything for long.
I wholeheartedly believe people swallow conspiracy theories because:
(1) it's easier than facing reality, which is not only scary, but shows humans have no control over a lot of things
(2) you can bond with others who believe in the same conspiracies and feel you're "right" and "know the truth"
Why has any nation wanted to rule the World? Why have people like Hitler existed? Power and control. If you think this virus is any different, you are blind. This virus was no mistake, it was man made in China. It has been used to spread fear. Is it real, yes. So is the Flu. Lets shut the Country down every Flu season.1 -
I used to help take care of my grandparents so I always kept a few in my car. That way if I was feeling any the bit under or if I had recently been around a sick person I had it ready. I feel like it should be that way. Just the sick peoples should have to wear them. I think that is why it has not been such a big deal in Japan, since this was already the way of doing things there.
All of these cloth masks do literally nothing to protect anyone anyways. If I am going out to an enclosed space with others I do wear an n95 mask. I do not wear one when I am with people I trust to be honest about their health or outside.
I did try to wear one in a hot yoga class and that was a joke. First downward dog I almost drowned!3 -
Infectious diseases are common.
WHO mentions 17 millions of person in a year (a while ago).
https://www.who.int/whr/1996/media_centre/press_release/en/
That 17 million appears, on a quick read, to be a cumulative total of ALL illnesses. Including mad cow disease. Not sure that's still a big threat these days, possibly in some parts of the world.
No, not all illnesses only infectious ones. Did you open the link? First line;
Infectious diseases kill over 17 million people a year:
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Infectious diseases are common.
WHO mentions 17 millions of person in a year (a while ago).
https://www.who.int/whr/1996/media_centre/press_release/en/
That 17 million appears, on a quick read, to be a cumulative total of ALL illnesses. Including mad cow disease. Not sure that's still a big threat these days, possibly in some parts of the world.
No, not all illnesses only infectious ones. Did you open the link? First line;
Infectious diseases kill over 17 million people a year:
Sorry, I misspoke, infectious diseases. Skimmed a fair bit of the article but replied later... short term memory isn't what it used to be.
Point remains that it's a cumulative total of many, many infectious diseases (there's mention of "30 new ones" I think, but not of how many are actually included in the 17 million deaths, presumably considerably more than 30) and not just one single one.2 -
CookieRehab wrote: »I used to help take care of my grandparents so I always kept a few in my car. That way if I was feeling any the bit under or if I had recently been around a sick person I had it ready. I feel like it should be that way. Just the sick peoples should have to wear them. I think that is why it has not been such a big deal in Japan, since this was already the way of doing things there.
All of these cloth masks do literally nothing to protect anyone anyways. If I am going out to an enclosed space with others I do wear an n95 mask. I do not wear one when I am with people I trust to be honest about their health or outside.
I did try to wear one in a hot yoga class and that was a joke. First downward dog I almost drowned!
Are you kidding me? Don't you know that it has nothing to do with honesty and that people can be infected by the virus not showing or having any symptoms but still shedding and passing the infections to you or others?
Where have you been the last few months???
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Have you taken the time and energy to go look up local newspapers - as small as you care to get, in these cities and towns that are having increases and deaths?
Read the personal stories of families effected, sometimes they just give a paragraph per death. I know that you won't be able to find all of them to add up to the numbers we hear in total, but you can get a clue there are deaths and cases at the rates being discussed. The pictures of the mass burials of those without family members retrieving their relatives.
Or you think that even the smalltown paper is playing along in this masquerade?
Where are you seeing Dr Fauci in public group close without a mask? Dated picture of course.
Like many the mask comes off in front of the mic when it's time to talk, but not seen him next to someone close - unless you are unaware of camera angles and focus and distance and how that can fool the brain.
Like hospitals being paid to count every death as Covid related? Or footage from Italy being used by the Media in a false manner? Or scewed test data? Shall I keep going? Are you that gullible?
There was a member here from Italy back when the going got truly bad there, she kept warning the U.S. how bad it would/could be. Who was that and where is she? That was a source right from where it was happening, with nothing to gain personally.
As far as exact numbers? I think there is too much room for error to be considered exact, but I feel the numbers are definitely close enough to bother me.
I believe she said she was going on vacation for a few months so wouldn't be on here while away.0 -
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I don't believe the numbers. We are being lied to. The CDC and the WHO are master manipulators. Even Dr. Fauci himself was seen not wearing his mask, nor social distancing. Yet, people hang on to his every word. You are being programed, if you believe anything the puppet masters say. Unplug yourself.
There are many reasons why I disagree with this comment. Aside from any facts I could look up and reference, here's the biggest reason why I don't believe in conspiracy theories: human nature.
We can't even cooperate with our allies and business partners over trade deals and other ordinary things. We disagree with each other over everything, from politics to religion to recycling. Human beings are a mess.
Yet, a whole bunch of large organizations are supposed to be working together in some shadowy plot to lie to us and program us -- for freaking what reason? People have never been able to organize worldwide over anything for long.
I wholeheartedly believe people swallow conspiracy theories because:
(1) it's easier than facing reality, which is not only scary, but shows humans have no control over a lot of things
(2) you can bond with others who believe in the same conspiracies and feel you're "right" and "know the truth"
Why has any nation wanted to rule the World? Why have people like Hitler existed? Power and control. If you think this virus is any different, you are blind. This virus was no mistake, it was man made in China. It has been used to spread fear. Is it real, yes. So is the Flu. Lets shut the Country down every Flu season.
You seriously cannot believe this.11 -
Last week I was wearing both a multi-layered cloth mask (two layers of thick fabric with some kind of filling/batting in between) AND a plastic face shield. I sneezed. The face shield moved up and down due to the volume of air from me sneezing going right through the mask and under the face shield, even though the face shield was covering my entire face. End of story.
But I'll wear a mask if it gets people to stop the rest of it. The lockdown was one of the biggest policy disasters in modern history (and I say this as a science literate person with a degree in molecular biology, who also happens to live in an area with one of the highest COVID deaths per million of anywhere on the planet). I think people are starting to realize that now that they see that Sweden did about as badly as most of Europe and the US on deaths per million, without the awful second-order effects of lockdown that also cause many deaths. I think the UK is ahead of the US on realizing it was a mistake, judging by some of the articles I see out of the mainstream British media. The CDC and WHO themselves did not recommend lockdowns as a respiratory pandemic mitigation strategy even in their resource materials from last year.
I also think the reason why people are harping on masks so much is kind of a distraction from how ineffective lockdowns are. I constantly see people I know posting virtue-signaling stuff online about how people who don't wear masks are awful. Meanwhile, it's the law in my state to wear a mask in public indoor spaces, and I have never once seen anyone violating this law. This person who they are yelling at does not even exist in our area. But it's a good deflection from the fact that we tanked the economy and peoples' mental health and stole the futures of our children and young people for absolutely no benefit compared to countries that didn't lock down. They aren't talking about how Australia is letting the military break into peoples' houses to "check if they're quarantining," or how New Zealand is putting COVID-19 positive people into internment camps.
And this is controversial, but I also wonder why, with obesity and its associated illnesses being a significant risk factor for COVID-19 deaths (almost every non-elderly, non-immunocompromised person who has died of COVID-19 has been overweight if not obese), there hasn't been more public health focus on mitigating that problem. It's been over five months now. If weight loss had been made into a public health campaign from the beginning, a lot of people could have gotten their risk level down by now and even gotten out of the overweight/obese category. I also see a lot of people freaking out over their personal COVID-19 risk, when they are overweight/obese and have not lost any weight over the last five months. In fact, the few studies that have been done indicate that the average person has GAINED weight over the course of the lockdown. It's really hard to take people seriously when they are moral-panicking and shaming others over a pandemic that they will do nothing to mitigate their personal risk for. Like, do they actually care about their health, or do they just like judging and nitpicking people because it gives them a sense of control? Why am I obligated to make significant sacrifices to help people who won't even take the simplest steps to help themselves?4 -
Poster above wrote:
"They aren't talking about how Australia is letting the military break into peoples' houses to "check if they're quarantining," or how New Zealand is putting COVID-19 positive people into internment camps"
I'm from New Zealand. I'll send you $1,000 if you can prove that New Zealand is sending COVID-19 positive people into internment camps.
They are being sent generally to quarantine for 2 weeks. So you would expect that the number of people getting tested is low, you don't want to be forced into a hotel, right?
A few days ago 26,000 people got tested. That's the highest ever number. The day after it dropped to about 22,000. Yesterday was 23,000. 7 day average is 19,000. This compares to a peak of around 9,000 back in April/May.
Please don't post lies about my country.18 -
Poster above wrote:
"They aren't talking about how Australia is letting the military break into peoples' houses to "check if they're quarantining,"
or how New Zealand is putting COVID-19 positive people into internment camps"
I'm from New Zealand. I'll send you $1,000 if you can prove that New Zealand is sending COVID-19 positive people into internment camps.
They are being sent generally to quarantine for 2 weeks. So you would expect that the number of people getting tested is low, you don't want to be forced into a hotel, right?
A few days ago 26,000 people got tested. That's the highest ever number. The day after it dropped to about 22,000. Yesterday was 23,000. 7 day average is 19,000. This compares to a peak of around 9,000 back in April/May.
Please don't post lies about my country.
Yeah.. I'm Australian and I'm pretty sure knocking on the door doesnt constitute breaking in..13 -
I'm from New Zealand. I'll send you $1,000 if you can prove that New Zealand is sending COVID-19 positive people into internment camps.
Well, obviously they don't come out and call them "internment camps"...they call them "quarantine facilities." But people can't choose whether to go there or not -- all positive cases are now being sent there -- and they're guarded by the military to prevent anyone from leaving. I'll take my $1000 now.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/19/new-zealand-sends-500-military-staff-to-bolster-quarantine-facilities
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-all-new-zealand-s-confirmed-covid-19-cases-to-be-put-in-quarantine-facilities-from-now-on.html
Internment is defined as "the imprisonment of people, commonly in large groups, without charges or intent to file charges....Thus, while it can simply mean imprisonment, it tends to refer to preventive confinement rather than confinement after having been convicted of some crime." In this case, preventive confinement to prevent people from breaking the quarantine rules. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »Yeah.. I'm Australian and I'm pretty sure knocking on the door doesnt constitute breaking in..
"The state of disaster declaration will empower the police minister, Lisa Neville, to appoint police as authorised officers. This means when doing spot checks on people’s homes, if the residents did not give permission for them to enter, police will be authorised to enter without a warrant."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/02/victoria-premier-daniel-andrews-stage-four-coronavirus-lockdown-restrictions-melbourne-covid-19
"Previously Victorian police could not enter people's homes without permission or a warrant or in company with an authorised officer. Under the official state of disaster, police officers can be appointed ‘authorised officers’ and enter homes without a warrant, to enforce self-isolation orders and other restrictions."
http://archive.is/sJGGp
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