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Face mask or no face mask?

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  • jonason62jonason62 Member Posts: 14 Member Member Posts: 14 Member
    Regarding comments about masks not being effective, in the 1918 epidemic people wore masks made of gauze, but flu transmission was lower where masks wearing was adhered to. If people touch their face more wearing a mask, well, get used to using sanitising gel after each touch!
  • cgvet37cgvet37 Member Posts: 1,189 Member Member Posts: 1,189 Member
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.
  • claireychn074claireychn074 Member, Premium Posts: 475 Member Member, Premium Posts: 475 Member
    Hollis100 wrote: »
    Wear a mask since it is mandated otherwise I would not. I have worked out in the public since it has started and have seen the the trend with people wearing them up until it was mandated. The fall into two groups with little middle ground. Either100% for it or 100% against it. The fear people have of other people in public not wearing a mask is sad. If you are that afraid, please shop online and have it delivered.

    If you are so fragile about your freedom that you can't respect public health recommendations in the middle of a pandemic, please shop online and have it delivered.

    ^^^ Yes to this comment a hundred times. Thank you.
    Some of us can’t get delivery slots and don’t live in cities with loads of shops. What do you want us to do - starve? I have no option but to go out and buy food.

    Except for cucumbers - my greenhouse is over-run with the blasted things and I need cucumber recipes!
  • Theoldguy1Theoldguy1 Member Posts: 1,818 Member Member Posts: 1,818 Member
    Wear a mask since it is mandated otherwise I would not. I have worked out in the public since it has started and have seen the the trend with people wearing them up until it was mandated. The fall into two groups with little middle ground. Either100% for it or 100% against it. The fear people have of other people in public not wearing a mask is sad. If you are that afraid, please shop online and have it delivered.

    If you are so fragile about your freedom that you can't respect public health recommendations in the middle of a pandemic, please shop online and have it delivered.

    The poster said they wore a mask were it was mandated, otherwise they do not. In my area masks are mandated in public indoor spaces as well as outside when social distancing isn't possible, maybe the same is in their area. I wear one religiously in these cases, not in other cases like when I'm running by myself in my subdivision at 5AM.



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  • lynn_glenmontlynn_glenmont Member Posts: 8,704 Member Member Posts: 8,704 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.
  • PWHFPWHF Member, Premium Posts: 222 Member Member, Premium Posts: 222 Member
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    I wear one when there are local mandates for use and/or businesses that say you need one to enter.

    Other than that it's going in my pocket.

    This is my position as well.

  • cgvet37cgvet37 Member Posts: 1,189 Member Member Posts: 1,189 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.

    You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Member, Premium Posts: 25,511 Member Member, Premium Posts: 25,511 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.

    You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.

    This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.
  • lokihenlokihen Member Posts: 309 Member Member Posts: 309 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.

    You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.

    This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.

    No scientific knowledge, but I'd guess the biggest danger would be picking up fomites from surfaces and rubbing them into eyes.
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Member, Premium Posts: 25,511 Member Member, Premium Posts: 25,511 Member
    lokihen wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.

    You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.

    This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.

    No scientific knowledge, but I'd guess the biggest danger would be picking up fomites from surfaces and rubbing them into eyes.

    Sure, but we can minimize that without goggles by limiting the surfaces we touch outside our home, reducing the number of times we touch our face/eyes, and regularly washing our hands. It isn't going to eliminate the possibility of getting ill, but we basically can't ever eliminate that possibility in life . . . we're simply managing risks as best we can.

    My point is that there is no good evidence that we need to wear goggles in public or we might as well not bother to do anything at all.

    I'm pretty sure (well, I hope) that @cgvet37 wouldn't argue that we shouldn't bother to ever wash our hands because we might still get sick anyway. The same principle applies to masks.
  • AliciaHollywoodAliciaHollywood Member Posts: 111 Member Member Posts: 111 Member
    I always wear one when I leave the house except at the beach (I go to out of the way empty beaches.) They have outdoor dining now (all indoor dining was reclosed) and I use a face shield while eating. Restaurants do keep the tables 6 feet apart but I am a bit paranoid because other diners are not wearing anything. The waiters are wearing masks at least. I keep hand sanitizer at the table. Some restaurants put hand sanitizer on the table like a condiment lol!
  • MaesneuaddMaesneuadd Member, Premium Posts: 42 Member Member, Premium Posts: 42 Member
    It really is a difficult question. The effects of masks is quite small and mainly to protect others from any infection the wearer may have. While I wear one when out shopping or in public buildings I sometimes worry if it has a negative effect on my own risk. I worry that any sense of security teh wearing gives will make me more likely to go out and shop and socialise. While that will benefit the economy it will, to a degree, increase my own risk.
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