Cinnamon, honey or apple cide vinegar
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JosephChacko wrote: »KrissFlavored wrote: »Well @JosephChacko I am not going to read anything from livestrong or timesofindia as that is not research.
If there is any actual research besides the one I posted, please post the link. Obviously you know where the research is since you claim it's there
So you don't want to admit. I don't want o think that only nih website is gospel.
There is little bit of research from US Universities too on ghee.
So, share the link.
What is the point? First I was told it is bullcrap and you require research. Then it is about the source or the source of research. If one cannot understand what is written, then what is the point of copying it and pasting here? Effect is the same.0 -
KrissFlavored wrote: »JosephChacko wrote: »KrissFlavored wrote: »Well @JosephChacko I am not going to read anything from livestrong or timesofindia as that is not research.
If there is any actual research besides the one I posted, please post the link. Obviously you know where the research is since you claim it's there
So you don't want to admit. I don't want o think that only nih website is gospel.
There is little bit of research from US Universities too on ghee.
It's not about admitting, it's about actual scientific studies being done by scientists.. it doesnt have to be American scientists, but it definitely cant come from a blog style website that talks about their own opinion.
We have a lot of people here who think all kinds of things help weight loss like apple cider vinegar, for instance and there is all kinds of websites out there that will tell you it does, but the science proves otherwise.
It is there, just find it.
We have a lot of people who think that acv etc doesn't help and specific science does not support it. I can diagree as much what NIH or you claim.0 -
@JosephChacko
Unfortunately that is not how life works.
If I told you that unicorns are real because I've personally seen one, would you believe me? Or would you like some actual scientific evidence that unicorns are in fact a real thing? I mean I could photoshop you a picture of a unicorn and stick my big fat head in the photo with it, I could probably find you tons of websites talking about the realness of unicorns..
But none of that is scientific proof that unicorns are real.
And no matter how much I want unicorns to be real, they arent.11 -
JosephChacko wrote: »Two people can't read or cannot admit?
Read about ghee. It's well researched. If you can't find it, it's your own making.
And rat studies? Ayurveda is many 1000 years old.
Many things that have been believed for thousands of years turn out not to be true. Europeans, for example, believed the sun went around the earth for over a thousand years.
True things stand up to the light - when they are tested in modern conditions they don’t suddenly cease to work.12 -
You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
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same pattern as usual - person makes unsubstantiated claim then gets huffy when asked for some evidence of it, claiming it is all out there and people just have to look and it is their fault they cant find it and what is point of me providing link when you all cant read or some other silly insult.
If it is there, provide a link.
Otherwise state it is just your belief and don't make claims it has scientific backing when it obviously does not
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KrissFlavored wrote: »@JosephChacko
Unfortunately that is not how life works.
If I told you that unicorns are real because I've personally seen one, would you believe me? Or would you like some actual scientific evidence that unicorns are in fact a real thing? I mean I could photoshop you a picture of a unicorn and stick my big fat head in the photo with it, I could probably find you tons of websites talking about the realness of unicorns..
But none of that is scientific proof that unicorns are real.
And no matter how much I want unicorns to be real, they arent.
Read about ghee instead of useless hypothesis.0 -
rheddmobile wrote: »JosephChacko wrote: »Two people can't read or cannot admit?
Read about ghee. It's well researched. If you can't find it, it's your own making.
And rat studies? Ayurveda is many 1000 years old.
Many things that have been believed for thousands of years turn out not to be true. Europeans, for example, believed the sun went around the earth for over a thousand years.
True things stand up to the light - when they are tested in modern conditions they don’t suddenly cease to work.
It is tested under both old and new conditions.0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
ReL1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
Read Carl Sagan and Vedas. Ghee is mentioned in vedas0 -
paperpudding wrote: »same pattern as usual - person makes unsubstantiated claim then gets huffy when asked for some evidence of it, claiming it is all out there and people just have to look and it is their fault they cant find it and what is point of me providing link when you all cant read or some other silly insult.
If it is there, provide a link.
Otherwise state it is just your belief and don't make claims it has scientific backing when it obviously does not
Same pattern as others. Want proof without actually looking for it. Look for it. It exists.0 -
JosephChacko wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »same pattern as usual - person makes unsubstantiated claim then gets huffy when asked for some evidence of it, claiming it is all out there and people just have to look and it is their fault they cant find it and what is point of me providing link when you all cant read or some other silly insult.
If it is there, provide a link.
Otherwise state it is just your belief and don't make claims it has scientific backing when it obviously does not
Same pattern as others. Want proof without actually looking for it. Look for it. It exists.
There are a few rules for posting. One is: if you make a claim and someone asks where you got your information, then you should produce it. It is on you to produce, not send everyone on a wild goose chase all over the internet. Otherwise we're all going on hearsay. If you make a claim and it's just your opinion, or "EVERYBODY knows this is true" then you say that's where you're coming from. It makes our discussions on here clearer and a little more polite. Hope you aren't offended by these rules.9 -
well, show the links confirming your claims then.
Seems fairly clear there are not any.
Next....7 -
JosephChacko wrote: »Two people can't read or cannot admit?
Read about ghee. It's well researched. If you can't find it, it's your own making.
And rat studies? Ayurveda is many 1000 years old.
You are obviously unclear on how this works. You make a claim, you substantiate it. It's not up to others to find proof for you claim.6 -
JosephChacko wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
ReL1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
Read Carl Sagan and Vedas. Ghee is mentioned in vedas
Who is Vedas? And how was ghee mentioned?2 -
Out of curiosity, I just did a PubMed search for ghee and fat mobilization (the poster's claim). Nada. Nothing mentioning fat mobilization.12
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Out of curiosity, I just did a PubMed search for ghee and fat mobilization (the poster's claim). Nada. Nothing mentioning fat mobilization.
What a shock...
/s
There is no proof. Just belief from the person who is pushing it. If there was proof, they should be more then willing to provide it. Playing the "well just look for it" game just means it's not there.6 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »JosephChacko wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
ReL1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
Read Carl Sagan and Vedas. Ghee is mentioned in vedas
Who is Vedas? And how was ghee mentioned?
The Vedas are holy books of Hinduism.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »JosephChacko wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
ReL1zardQueen wrote: »You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
Carl Sagan
Read Carl Sagan and Vedas. Ghee is mentioned in vedas
Who is Vedas? And how was ghee mentioned?
The Vedas are holy books of Hinduism.
Ah. Thank you0 -
I have read a lot about ghee and there are 2 areas where it has an advantage: 1) because it is cow's milk fat with all of the milk solids removed people who are lactose intolerant can eat it where they cannot eat regular butter and 2) again, because the milk solids are removed it has a very long shelf life and does not have to be refrigerated.
As for health benefits beyond for those who are lactose intolerant, there are none. Yes, It has been used in Ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years but when put to the test by scientists all of the claims were proven false.9 -
I have read a lot about ghee and there are 2 areas where it has an advantage: 1) because it is cow's milk fat with all of the milk solids removed people who are lactose intolerant can eat it where they cannot eat regular butter and 2) again, because the milk solids are removed it has a very long shelf life and does not have to be refrigerated.
As for health benefits beyond for those who are lactose intolerant, there are none. Yes, It has been used in Ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years but when put to the test by scientists all of the claims were proven false.
It also has a much higher smoke point with the milk solids removed. It is often used to high heat saute in restaurant kitchens for that reason. And it has a lovely buttery flavor without the burnt flavor of milk solids.6 -
I have read a lot about ghee and there are 2 areas where it has an advantage: 1) because it is cow's milk fat with all of the milk solids removed people who are lactose intolerant can eat it where they cannot eat regular butter and 2) again, because the milk solids are removed it has a very long shelf life and does not have to be refrigerated.
As for health benefits beyond for those who are lactose intolerant, there are none. Yes, It has been used in Ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years but when put to the test by scientists all of the claims were proven false.
It also has a much higher smoke point with the milk solids removed. It is often used to high heat saute in restaurant kitchens for that reason. And it has a lovely buttery flavor without the burnt flavor of milk solids.
Forgot that one. Thanks!1 -
A good rule of thumb to abide by is that you can't lose weight by *adding* something. You can only lose weight by subtracting, and mainly subtracting calories. People are obsessed with the idea of ACV, Acai berry, raspberry ketones, green tea and whatever the hell else because the idea that you can lose weight by adding something is incredibly seductive. Subtracting things is really, really hard. People who are not serious about dieting and not ready to truly commit will troll around on Pinterest and Facebook crowing out ACV and other snake oil supplements.
I'm glad you're skeptical of it and decided to ask rather than just believe what you saw from these people. You sound like you're really putting in the work and doing good. Keep it up!9 -
It's hilarious to find active body and lazy minds.
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2007 "conjugated linoleic acids in ghee might help reduce body fat to some degree."
Now lazier ones will ask for links.0 -
JosephChacko wrote: »It's hilarious to find active body and lazy minds.
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2007 "conjugated linoleic acids in ghee might help reduce body fat to some degree."
Now lazier ones will ask for links.
I don´t need your links, thanks anyway. Truth be told, i´m lazy.4 -
JosephChacko wrote: »It's hilarious to find active body and lazy minds.
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2007 "conjugated linoleic acids in ghee might help reduce body fat to some degree."
Now lazier ones will ask for links.
Not sure why you are trying to rev this up again after nearly 4 months.
I doubt if anyone will ask for links now - was clear last time that there aren't any and I doubt anyone is at all interested any more
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No, not in this ghee bro science.
But as for cinnamon and honey... applesauce. Boom. You're welcome.3 -
JosephChacko wrote: »It's hilarious to find active body and lazy minds.
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2007 "conjugated linoleic acids in ghee might help reduce body fat to some degree."
Now lazier ones will ask for links.
Presumably this meta-analysis, in May?
"After adjustment to the median dose of 3.2 g CLA/d, CLA was effective and produced a reduction in fat mass for the CLA group alone (0.05 +/- 0.05 kg/wk; P<0.001) and for the CLA group compared with placebo (0.09 +/- 0.08 kg/wk; P<0.001)" **
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For the imperialists among us, 0.09kg is about 0.1968416 pounds, or 3.174656 oz., 0.08kg is about 0.17637 pounds, or 2.82192 oz. Wheee!
Let's see if I can do the math right (I usually can't. 🤣)
Picking a random common example of a CLA supplement (GNC), it has a 2-softgel dose of 2000mg CLA, and has 25 calories per dose, i.e. 12.5 calories per gram of CLA. So, over the week, you take 7 x 3.2g, a total of 22.4g, and by doing so consume about 280 calories. You lose about 694 (extra?) calories of fat from consuming the CLA (plus or minus 617 calories worth of fat, which is an interesting degree of variability).
90 softgels (2 is a dose, so it's 1mg/gel and 12.5 calories/gel) costs $29.99 US for that size bottle. At 3.2g/day, it'll last about 28 days, not that you can take partial softgels, but I'm not going to bother chasing down the proper dose, finding the cheapest version, or seeing if there's a CLA supplement with fewer calories. Who the heck cares?
Though I'm not a fan of the site in general, I agree with Healthline's summary of this study:In animals, CLA has been shown to burn fat and decrease its formation, leading to significant weight loss. However, in humans, its effect on weight loss is small and holds no real-world benefit.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/cla-and-weight-loss <= Ooo, look, it's a free link for the lazy!!!
Examine.com, which is more reliable in general IMO says:. . . its usage as a supplement for personal goals is quite lacklustre.
Source: https://examine.com/supplements/conjugated-linoleic-acid/
That's the trouble with this stuff, generally: Sometimes there's a there, there . . . but at best it's a tiny, pathetic thing. Why bother? Take a nice walk or something instead, for far more benefit.
But ghee is nice, so if you want eat ghee with hope in your heart for extra fat loss, hey, who am I to criticize?
** Free bonus: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17490954/
and full text for free at https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/85/5/1203/4632999 🙄
This is a dumb game; I don't know why I played.8 -
Ghee will increase fat oxidation. Why? Because its fat. Does it mean it comes from your fat cells? Nope.
Btw, ghee is great to make fried eggs.4
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