Are carbs the enemy?

Dogmom1978 wrote: »

gisem17 wrote: »

ccrdragon wrote: »

And yet, the fact that you never want to discuss is that there can be no NET fat gain (insulin spikes or not) as long as the person is eating in a deficit. The body is constantly storing and breaking down fat throughout the day regardless of the mix of food that the person is eating.

It is hard to be "eating in a deficit" if you are constantly binging on high carb, high fat foods.

100% false actually. You can eat in a deficit regardless of how many of a certain macro you eat. You can even “binge” and stay within your calorie goal overall for the week if you saved calories from previous days.

I think it's true that it is difficult to consistently eat at a deficit if you're constantly binging on high calorie foods (which any food high in both carbohydrates and fat would likely be). Would it be impossible? No, I'm sure we can construct scenarios where someone could still manage to do it. But that path is much harder than the path of creating a deficit when one isn't in the midst of active BED.

The point is that constant binges have nothing to do with OP's question about a high carbohydrate diet.

Dogmom1978 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

Dogmom1978 wrote: »

gisem17 wrote: »

ccrdragon wrote: »

And yet, the fact that you never want to discuss is that there can be no NET fat gain (insulin spikes or not) as long as the person is eating in a deficit. The body is constantly storing and breaking down fat throughout the day regardless of the mix of food that the person is eating.

It is hard to be "eating in a deficit" if you are constantly binging on high carb, high fat foods.

100% false actually. You can eat in a deficit regardless of how many of a certain macro you eat. You can even “binge” and stay within your calorie goal overall for the week if you saved calories from previous days.

I think it's true that it is difficult to consistently eat at a deficit if you're constantly binging on high calorie foods (which any food high in both carbohydrates and fat would likely be). Would it be impossible? No, I'm sure we can construct scenarios where someone could still manage to do it. But that path is much harder than the path of creating a deficit when one isn't in the midst of active BED.

The point is that constant binges have nothing to do with OP's question about a high carbohydrate diet.

Yes, I’m aware that the OP says nothing about binging, I’m just pointing out one could binge if one planned it throughout their week, such as for a special event.

I think you're using "binge" in the sense of "eating a larger amount of food than one usually does." The person talking about binges seems to be using it in the sense of an eating disorder, a sort of compulsive behavior. For lots of people with this kind of eating disorder, pre-planning a binge isn't something that can really happen and it would be very difficult to bank sufficient calories for the calorie intake typically associated with binges without seriously compromising their health. Keep in mind that the very nature of a binge is going to seriously compromise any effort to accurately estimate calories consumed during the period in question. Additionally, the person does mention "constantly" engaging in this behavior, which would further compromise any efforts to bank calories.

Are there ways to make the calories work? I mean, maybe, at least in some situations. But anyone who is starving themselves to somehow maintain a deficit while frequently binging (in the ED sense) is going to be on a roller coaster of restriction and likely failing to meet some basic nutritional needs. This would be a pretty rough way to live.

Dogmom1978 wrote: »

If you lack control and binge on everything in sight repeatedly, no, I don’t see how you could remain in a deficit.

Yes, it's literally a eating disorder. That's the point that was being made above, that frequent binges make it incredibly challenging to manage one's weight.

It's more complicated than "lacking control." It's a mental illness, one for which there are some treatment options. We wouldn't ask someone who was struggling with other forms of compulsive behavior to just "get some control" because we understand that mental illness isn't chosen, it's not a form of personal failure, and that treatment can make a huge difference in quality of life. Same thing here.

psychod787 wrote: »

Oh my good lord. Carbs.... ask some people, they tell you carbs make you gain fat and cause diabetes. Fats.... ask some folks and fat gives you heart attacks and makes you gain fat... protein.... ask some folks and it kills your kidneys and gives you cancer. Well, atleast I have fiber. Oh for Christmas sake! The carnivore folks tell me fiber causes guy inflammation and leads to disease.! What the hell is left to put on my plate? Air? Guess we all need to become airitarians! I did not get over eating fruit and vegetables! I will state some correlational evidence that while sugar intake has declined, obesity has continued to rise. Binging on carbs? Hell, its carb/fat combos in an energy dense package people tend to binge on. Sure, you could binge on 5lbs of apples, though not likely. Your next day will be hell as the the binge of 150grams of fiber spray paints a brown mosaic on the inside of your porcelain bowl... god help the person who does this in a time of an toilet paper shortage. Hope they have spare mismatched socks...🤐

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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

Oh my good lord....

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Me too. We need an "LOL" button!

mariomicro wrote: »

lemurcat2 wrote: »

Donuts and chips aren't really "carbs." They are foods that are about half carbs and half fat.
Foods that are mostly just carbs would include most fruit and a plain potato or plain sweet potato, among other things.

For the purpose of avoiding an insulin spike, it is largely irrelevant whether some foods contain only carbs or both carbs and fat. Dietary carbohydrates will convert immediately into glucose and that will trigger an insulin response, which will eventually trigger fat storage, whether taken with dietary fat or not.

If carbs are consumed with healthy fats, protein, and fiber the overall glycemic load is very stable. Well timed balanced meals are how I was able to regress my type-2 diabetes. If I change my eating habits the disease will progress. Carbs by themselves will trigger a higher insulin response but excess fat cannot be stored without excess calories present. This misinformation has been prevalent for years so it's importantant to dispell this way of thinking.

no our bodies are too complex to think that simple, cows eat grass, cows are fat

Binging is an eating dis-order...

muszyngr wrote: »

no our bodies are too complex to think that simple, cows eat grass, cows are fat

Are they though, in the sense of being obese?

I mean, obviously cows CAN be obese. But although a regular cow body may read as "fat" to us, are they actually in the condition of having excess weight? They HAVE fat, like we do. That doesn't mean they ARE fat.