Black COFFEE suggestions..
Kaysmile012015
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What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
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Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.4 -
Hazelnut is nice. I grind whole beans every morning and sometimes throw a small handful of cocoa nibs into the grind for a hint of smooth cocoa.2
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Try adding a pinch of salt to your coffee, it neutralizes the bitterness. This may help.5
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Try adding a pinch of salt to your coffee, it neutralizes the bitterness. This may help.
Can confirm, just a little bit of salt takes the edge off without making the coffee salty. Not a lot, literally just a pinch.
Salt is my go-to for stuff like diner coffee that's been sitting on a warmer for a hundred years and gotten all burnt and bitter-tasting. I sort of forced myself off of sweetened coffee in undergrad, learned to like it black with no sugar - first of all, I didn't have time to fix up a mug of coffee-flavored sugar-milk when I was trying to write a paper at 3 AM, and second of all, I didn't want the calories or hunger spike that came with adding stuff to my coffee. Eventually I got more "into" coffee and now I buy whole beans from a local roastery and grind some fresh each morning to brew in my French press. Coffee is one of those hobbies that can get expensive quick if you let it, but even just buying, like, Eight O'Clock whole beans at the grocery store is a step up from your Folgers/similar big-name can-o-grounds.3 -
Buy premium coffee from a micro-torréfacteur (local coffee roaster). Experiment with dark, medium and light roasts. A good roaster will take time to explain their current flavour profiles to you.
I find that most proper, freshly ground coffee doesn't need added stuff: milk, creamers, sweeteners, etc.5 -
I see @gigius72 got disagrees and why I don't know because it's legitimate, true, and sincere advice.
Why ask for advice or an opinion if you want to dictate or manipulate the response?!
Anyway @gigius72 wrapped it up in a nutshell.
Also, if you're using flavored coffees and they're triggering the old appetite, you may want to try coffees that don't have flavor added.
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☕️ I drink way too much coffee.. I used to drink with cream and monkfruit... to save calories I now do black with a touch of cinnamon or a hint of cocoa powder. My fav is using a dried vanilla bean and letting it sit for awhile.
•Arabica beans make coffee that is less bitter than Robusta beans.
•Lighter (less roasted) beans tend to be less bitter. Check out Kona-light roast.
•a courser grind is less bitter compared to more finely ground.
(~from a child who grew up with a parent working for a coffee manufacturer 😉 )
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Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
I'll own my disagree. There are some studies that seem to show artificial sweeteners trigger an insulin response. Many more show no such thing, and both the American and British Diabetes associations recommend artificial sweeteners to diabetics.
It is also not universally true that artificial sweeteners make you hungrier. Some people say it's true for them, others say they have no affect. I often have a diet soda when I feel snacky and have personally never found them to increase my appetite at all.
To the OP, are you trying to essentially replace breakfast with coffee? I do find caffeine works as an appetite suppressant myself, but even so black coffee doesn't work for me. I have to use 1/4 cup of milk in my big mug of coffee, and it still only holds me over to a pretty early lunch. Sometimes I'll have a small protein snack with my coffee, like one egg or a string cheese to tide me over better. It's possible you're one of those people who just needs some food in the AM!
The pinch of salt is a great tip for making your black coffee more palatable without adding calories if you want to try something other than zero cal sweeteners.12 -
Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?9 -
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?
Research it, I know you're great at finding credible and reliable resources!4 -
Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
You are right, its definitely an insulin response.Thats why I moved to drinking black coffee, I can't take the hunger spikes, from add-ins, I thought the pure Stevia drops I use are safe ( but that might not be the case).Today I didnt use any Stevia and drank plain black(non flavored) coffee and NO HUNGER SPIKES; So it's definitely the flavors, or the stevia, I'll have to do some experimenting to find out, but in the meantime( my) plain black coffees taste was not so great👎
-I have a sack of monk fruit sweetener, but it has erythritol thats no good, right?4 -
Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
Um, I actually doubt any of the above trigger appetite, but personally I drink coffee black (which so far as I know meas not adding sugar or any other sweetener or flavoring) and it has never triggered appetite, so maybe try that.3 -
Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
I'll own my disagree. There are some studies that seem to show artificial sweeteners trigger an insulin response. Many more show no such thing, and both the American and British Diabetes associations recommend artificial sweeteners to diabetics.
It is also not universally true that artificial sweeteners make you hungrier. Some people say it's true for them, others say they have no affect. I often have a diet soda when I feel snacky and have personally never found them to increase my appetite at all.
To the OP, are you trying to essentially replace breakfast with coffee? I do find caffeine works as an appetite suppressant myself, but even so black coffee doesn't work for me. I have to use 1/4 cup of milk in my big mug of coffee, and it still only holds me over to a pretty early lunch. Sometimes I'll have a small protein snack with my coffee, like one egg or a string cheese to tide me over better. It's possible you're one of those people who just needs some food in the AM!
The pinch of salt is a great tip for making your black coffee more palatable without adding calories if you want to try something other than zero cal sweeteners.
Actually I've done it all, breakfast, no breakfast, smoothies, personally, I do best w lots of water and black coffee (maby some almonds) in the morning; All that Milk, creamers etc.. cause me digestive issues and stomach upset later, so no thanks.1 -
Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
Um, I actually doubt any of the above trigger appetite, but personally I drink coffee black (which so far as I know meas not adding sugar or any other sweetener or flavoring) and it has never triggered appetite, so maybe try that.
#2 Sweetened black coffee is still black coffee
Definition of black coffee below:
black coffee
in British English
(blæk ˈkɒfɪ)
NOUN
coffee with no milk, milk substitute, or cream added
Compare white coffee
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Here in Australia, black coffee means without milk or cream.
One can certainly have sweetened black coffee.
Incidentally I have never found artificial sweeteners make me more hungry than non sweetened or sugar sweetened drinks.10 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?
Research it, I know you're great at finding credible and reliable resources!
Well that isnt the way claims work.
You make the claim, you provide the evidence to validate it.17 -
goal06082021 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Try adding a pinch of salt to your coffee, it neutralizes the bitterness. This may help.
Can confirm, just a little bit of salt takes the edge off without making the coffee salty. Not a lot, literally just a pinch.
Salt is my go-to for stuff like diner coffee that's been sitting on a warmer for a hundred years and gotten all burnt and bitter-tasting. I sort of forced myself off of sweetened coffee in undergrad, learned to like it black with no sugar - first of all, I didn't have time to fix up a mug of coffee-flavored sugar-milk when I was trying to write a paper at 3 AM, and second of all, I didn't want the calories or hunger spike that came with adding stuff to my coffee. Eventually I got more "into" coffee and now I buy whole beans from a local roastery and grind some fresh each morning to brew in my French press. Coffee is one of those hobbies that can get expensive quick if you let it, but even just buying, like, Eight O'Clock whole beans at the grocery store is a step up from your Folgers/similar big-name can-o-grounds.
Yep, I think its time for me to purchase a grinder and start griding my own coffee.2 -
Kaysmile012015 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Try adding a pinch of salt to your coffee, it neutralizes the bitterness. This may help.
Can confirm, just a little bit of salt takes the edge off without making the coffee salty. Not a lot, literally just a pinch.
Salt is my go-to for stuff like diner coffee that's been sitting on a warmer for a hundred years and gotten all burnt and bitter-tasting. I sort of forced myself off of sweetened coffee in undergrad, learned to like it black with no sugar - first of all, I didn't have time to fix up a mug of coffee-flavored sugar-milk when I was trying to write a paper at 3 AM, and second of all, I didn't want the calories or hunger spike that came with adding stuff to my coffee. Eventually I got more "into" coffee and now I buy whole beans from a local roastery and grind some fresh each morning to brew in my French press. Coffee is one of those hobbies that can get expensive quick if you let it, but even just buying, like, Eight O'Clock whole beans at the grocery store is a step up from your Folgers/similar big-name can-o-grounds.
Yep, I think its time for me to purchase a grinder and start griding my own coffee.
I don't think you'll regret it. Clearly something in the flavoring or sweetener is making your brain think it's snacktime, so if plain ol' regular coffee is what you need, it's worth investing in a setup that will yield really good plain ol' regular coffee.7 -
French pressed coffee with freshly ground coffee is really good.
ETA. I have the double walled stainless maker because I broke the glass French press twice. And if you get a grinder, be sure it is a burr grinder.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?
Research it, I know you're great at finding credible and reliable resources!
Well that isnt the way claims work.
You make the claim, you provide the evidence to validate it.
Absolutely not true! You do your own research and don't rely on others to do it for you! You want to back your own claim, do it! But don't depend on others to back their claims! Plus I'd rather do my own research because I'm pickier about who or what I trust.3 -
Good quality beans roasted the way you like them roasted. I have some go-to that I use. Let them age a day or three after roasting before grinding for the full flavor to mature.
I am a big fan of single-cup pour-over coffee. Get a cone and some filters. I use unbleached because who needs bleach? Paper filters remove the caffestol. Coffee presses also make good coffee, but they have two drawbacks to me. One is the caffestol. The other is that since some of the actual coffee stays in the liquid, it keeps brewing in your cup.
My method that makes a fine cup with no additions:- Assemble paper filter by folding along the crimped edge.
- Put filter in cone and run some water through it to remove any paper particles. Some use hot water.
- Add freshly ground coffee. Not too fine, but not too coarse. If you can afford a burr grinder, go for it. I keep promising myself one, but still use a blade grinder.
- Pour a little water just off the boil in and the grounds "bloom." As they are blooming, stir them gently with a spoon.
- Continue adding boiling water to keep the grounds barely floating in the water.
Enjoy a really good cup. Then make another when done. I have three most days.3 -
How is stevia artificial when it comes from a leaf? How is it any more artificial than maple from a tree or sugar from a cane or that delicious bee excrement, honey?
Back to the black coffee quandry... I quit smoking last year and had the same thing with coffee, except it triggered an urge to smoke. What I did was attempt to retrain my brain to associate coffee with something else. I used walking, stretching and physical movement instead, but I could have decided for reading or music or scented baths. Sometimes I use a dash of cinnamon in my coffee to confuse and delight the senses.
sigh. I love coffee but it doesn't love me anymore. Because of my blood pressure, I can only drink one cup of the good stuff anymore, so I savor it. Then I switch to decaf or teas, and of course, water.6 -
LisaGetsMoving wrote: »How is stevia artificial when it comes from a leaf? How is it any more artificial than maple from a tree or sugar from a cane or that delicious bee excrement, honey?
That is why I said I don't know about stevia. I haven't bought it in probably 10 years. When it was the newer sugar alternative, it was like it is monk fruit now. They added artificial sweeteners to cut the cost of production.
Stevia leaf is not all sweet, only part of it. So either they used the small part of it which is sweet (and that would make it more cost elevated) or they added sucralose or other sweeteners.
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Oh yeah, cinnamon is really good. Protip, in case anyone else like me took entirely too long to figure this out: it's better if you put the cinnamon in in with the grounds, no matter what brewing method you're using. Cinnamon doesn't dissolve, so it'll just float on top of your coffee if you put it in after the fact.5
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https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/study-review-do-sweeteners-affect-insulin-levels-and-sensitivity-2/
Re the claim that artificial sweeteners (or no cal sweeteners) cause an insulin effect, the above says no likely effect.
And even from MarksDailyApple, a site that is normally anti both sugar and sweeteners, he doesn't think so based on the studies: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/artificial-sweeteners-insulin/
Re triggering appetite, obv it will be individual. I kind of stand by my advice to just drink it plain (if black is not the correct word for that, sigh), as for me plain coffee is both the tastiest by far (sweet coffee seems weird to me) or with milk and count the cals, as for me milk doesn't increase appetite, just wastes cals if added to coffee, or add something non sweet if sweetness is a trigger for you. But for me (like kimny above), diet soda (my main source of added sweetener) is definitely not appetite provoking. It's going to depend on the person, but I've always found coffee an appetite suppressant, although I think it might be because I have a tendency to want to eat when not hungry and drinking an (almost) no cal bev instead satisfies me, including in the mornings as I currently don't eat before noon normally.8 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?
I've seen the appetite increasing studies in artificial sweeteners threads in Debate. However, since they don't say that the appetite increasing effect is universally true, I would have worded it "But studies showed that artificial sweeteners MAY increase hunger in SOME people."
(I'm not up on the "increase insulin levels" piece.)7 -
paperpudding wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?
Research it, I know you're great at finding credible and reliable resources!
Well that isnt the way claims work.
You make the claim, you provide the evidence to validate it.
Absolutely not true! You do your own research and don't rely on others to do it for you! You want to back your own claim, do it! But don't depend on others to back their claims! Plus I'd rather do my own research because I'm pickier about who or what I trust.
No - if you make a claim on a forum or any platform, you provide the evidence.
Obviously people can then assess if it is a trustworthy or credible source
" do your own research" is usually stated by people who don't actually have any evidence to back up their claims.
I will leave this point now so as not to derail thread.11 -
kshama2001 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Kaysmile012015 wrote: »What are some suggestions on black coffee, coldbrews, premade, store brought, recipes etc...That don't trigger appetite, I noticed when I make some black "flavored" coffees it triggers my appetite also when I add Stevia drops it does, idk know if its one or the other, maby both. I can't find ingredients for the flavors on the coffee bag.
- Flavors I use are Peppermint, Creme Brule, and Vanilla roast, ground coffees any suggestions would be awesome.
I don't know specifically about stevia. But studies showed that artificial sweeteners, even though 0 calories, they actually increase insulin levels and create hunger.
Have you looked into monk fruit? It's natural, 0 calories. Just pay attention, because its production is not cheap so companies mix it with sweeteners. Check the ingredients before buying it. But if you buy it with nothing added, it is sweeter than sugar and you will use less in quantity.
What studies?
I've seen the appetite increasing studies in artificial sweeteners threads in Debate. However, since they don't say that the appetite increasing effect is universally true, I would have worded it "But studies showed that artificial sweeteners MAY increase hunger in SOME people."
(I'm not up on the "increase insulin levels" piece.)
Yep, I’ve seen those. I was wondering if there is some new information on sweeteners.1 -
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/study-review-do-sweeteners-affect-insulin-levels-and-sensitivity-2/
Re the claim that artificial sweeteners (or no cal sweeteners) cause an insulin effect, the above says no likely effect.
And even from MarksDailyApple, a site that is normally anti both sugar and sweeteners, he doesn't think so based on the studies: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/artificial-sweeteners-insulin/
Re triggering appetite, obv it will be individual. I kind of stand by my advice to just drink it plain (if black is not the correct word for that, sigh), as for me plain coffee is both the tastiest by far (sweet coffee seems weird to me) or with milk and count the cals, as for me milk doesn't increase appetite, just wastes cals if added to coffee, or add something non sweet if sweetness is a trigger for you. But for me (like kimny above), diet soda (my main source of added sweetener) is definitely not appetite provoking. It's going to depend on the person, but I've always found coffee an appetite suppressant, although I think it might be because I have a tendency to want to eat when not hungry and drinking an (almost) no cal bev instead satisfies me, including in the mornings as I currently don't eat before noon normally.
It might be true. But can I point out just a thing?
Randomized cross trial, not controlled. With self reported dietary behavior and self reported exercise behavior.
That means you go home, live your life, go to the clinic and drink the can. Wait. Take measurement and they ask you what did you eat? Unless they were all people on a diet who wrote down exact weight I doubt they knew exactly what they ate in quantity.
It was good they made a cross trial, but they needed a controlled trial. I'm not saying it's worth nothing. But not too precise.
And I'm done with this post...I didn't even want to answer this one.
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