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1980s definatly, and back..Why were people more fit, toned and healthy Looking?
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Sorry, didn’t take the time to read all the replies, but to tag on to the difference in food culture/ portion sizes. I’m mid sixties now, but growing up I can still remember 8oz and 10oz bottles in the soda vending machines. McDonalds weren’t as wide spread but burger joints were common and most served what we would call a single today. Small fries only, no medium, large, super, etc. Most restaurant soft drinks were 10oz. Big Macs and Quarter Pounders weren’t introduced until the 70s. People didn’t buy 64oz soft drinks or grande frappe / cappuccinos.
Suburbanization and everyone owning a car had an effect. When I was a kid, we lived in the city and had one car which dad took to work. Mom and I walked everywhere- to school, to parks, to do most shopping. Back then in many cities and towns, there were grocery stores and other necessities spread throughout the city, and you walked there. Now we have miles and miles of neighborhoods with nothing but homes and the occasional gas station or convenience store, and most need to get in their car to drive to do anything.
Too many extra food calories and fewer calories being worked off.
To be honest, I don’t even remember people exercising. I went to the Y for swimming lessons and playing basketball. We ice skated in the winter. We were more active, but not purposefully exercising.5 -
Didn’t read the entire thread yet so sorry if I’m repeating!
I was born in’61 so I was there! People were definitely more fit then in general. A “fat” (and that’s the term used then) person was smaller then than an overweight person is now, and clearly obesity rates were much lower.
This got me thinking so I did some research. The reports are long so I’ll sum up a little.
Two important points:
1) a higher percentage of meals are prepared outside the home now. Also, of meals “prepared” at home a much higher percentage are pre- packaged foods (like frozen dinners, frozen fish cakes etc).
2) fast food chains have upped the calories in everything in order to compete with each other.
Please see:
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/90228/eib-196.pdf
And
https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(18)32383-9/fulltext3 -
People use to move around more. We are more sedentary as a nation now then 50 yrs ago. Most of us work at a desk. Netflix has replaced the socialization of the past in the neighborhood. People used to cook their own food and relied less on processed food. I'm sounding like one of those old freaks, but it'skinda true1
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I have absolutely nothing of value to contribute to this thread. (or much anywhere else.)
I was just looking for an excuse to post this gif.
It somehow makes sense here..... maybe.
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Motorsheen wrote: »I have absolutely nothing of value to contribute to this thread. (or much anywhere else.)
I was just looking for an excuse to post this gif.
It somehow makes sense here..... maybe.
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I am old enough to have done some exercise videos that weren't too much different from these! Granted, when I bought them they may have been a tiny bit outdated, but I did buy these Cher video brand new:
https://sarahmn.tumblr.com/post/145270932272/umis-the-internet-aware-of-chers-workout-video2 -
Commonly seen on TV when I was a kid
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Back in the day, actors, actresses, models, etc were forced to work out and bein shape to get and keep their jobs.
Today, political correctness means that we have to celebrate fat people. You see, there are more fat people to sell to than fit people, and we would certainly not want to "hurt anyone's feelings" by putting someone healthy and fit out into the public eye. Fattie Mae might break down and eat all the donuts.
Just my 2 cents worth.3 -
Back in the day, actors, actresses, models, etc were forced to work out and bein shape to get and keep their jobs.
Today, political correctness means that we have to celebrate fat people. You see, there are more fat people to sell to than fit people, and we would certainly not want to "hurt anyone's feelings" by putting someone healthy and fit out into the public eye. Fattie Mae might break down and eat all the donuts.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Oh yes, the days of forced anorexia to keep your job was much better! And long gone, too! Nowadays, you never see an underweight model, right? Amirite?
Are you really suggesting that there is no longer any pressure on actors, models, media personalities, etc, to be thin? Are you being serious when you say that "fat people" are now preferred in these professions?7 -
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In the 1980s and before, people were required to move more in their jobs and daily lives (less automation, less market penetration of the automation that did exist). They also moved more, on average, via leisure-time recreation in the pre-internet/fewer-screens world of the time. In the 1980s and before, the 24x7 ubiquitous availability of gazillions of snacks was not even close to what it is now, and there was less social expectation/acceptance of people eating or drinking nearly constantly in virtually all situations.
The McDonalds here used to close at 10 PM. Now the drive through is 24 hour. No drive through back then, you had to park your car and walk inside to get takeout. When I was in high school we would walk about a mile to go there occasionally, probably burned half the extra calories we ate.
And now you can do it all from your phone. The only steps involved are from the couch to the front door...2 -
Fidgetbrain wrote: »I don’t agree at all Jess, people don’t even know what a healthy body looks like even now, people were tearing apart Camila Cabello for being overweight and disgusting recently when she’s almost certainly at a healthy weight (I’m underweight and only a little thinner than her). The “healthy and fit” perfect woman of the moment usually shows up in a documentary a few years later talking about their eating disorder and how miserable they were at the time 😕. Even so, it’s not political correctness gone mad to also show representation for the majority of people instead of pretending thin bodies are the only ones which exist
I am not talking about a representation, I am talking about "fit shaming". Fat shaming used to be status quo, and it was wrong. But now, it seems like people are shamed for wanting to be fit, because it makes the fat people feel bad about themselves. I have nothing against anyone, regardless of their size. That being said, I am tired of being criticized for being in shape, and wanting to stay that way. If someone loves themselves the way they are, good on them. But don't tell me that I make someone else self conscious because I work my *kitten* off to stay healthy and in shape. If they don't want a reminder of how they look, they can do something about it. Its not my job to make them feel good about themselves. And it is not society's job either. People need to take whatever steps that they need to take in order to feel good about themselves.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.6 -
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Fidgetbrain wrote: »Fidgetbrain wrote: »I don’t agree at all Jess, people don’t even know what a healthy body looks like even now, people were tearing apart Camila Cabello for being overweight and disgusting recently when she’s almost certainly at a healthy weight (I’m underweight and only a little thinner than her). The “healthy and fit” perfect woman of the moment usually shows up in a documentary a few years later talking about their eating disorder and how miserable they were at the time 😕. Even so, it’s not political correctness gone mad to also show representation for the majority of people instead of pretending thin bodies are the only ones which exist
I am not talking about a representation, I am talking about "fit shaming". Fat shaming used to be status quo, and it was wrong. But now, it seems like people are shamed for wanting to be fit, because it makes the fat people feel bad about themselves. I have nothing against anyone, regardless of their size. That being said, I am tired of being criticized for being in shape, and wanting to stay that way. If someone loves themselves the way they are, good on them. But don't tell me that I make someone else self conscious because I work my *kitten* off to stay healthy and in shape. If they don't want a reminder of how they look, they can do something about it. Its not my job to make them feel good about themselves. And it is not society's job either. People need to take whatever steps that they need to take in order to feel good about themselves.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
Oh I agree with you there. I’ve never seen that happen before but it’s totally moving in the wrong direction, demonising any kind of body is not helping anyone
Agreed. I actually have gotten some comments that I must have hated myself to lose weight. It was the opposite, actually. I decided I should take care of me to at least the level I would one of my pets - meaning a decent diet and some movement.
No one needs to be shamed. Everyone deserves to be treated with basic human decency and fundamental respect. No one's self-worth as a person needs to be linked to what their body looks like or how well it works.
But also leave me alone and stop telling me what my motives are.4 -
Fidgetbrain wrote: »I don’t agree at all Jess, people don’t even know what a healthy body looks like even now, people were tearing apart Camila Cabello for being overweight and disgusting recently when she’s almost certainly at a healthy weight (I’m underweight and only a little thinner than her). The “healthy and fit” perfect woman of the moment usually shows up in a documentary a few years later talking about their eating disorder and how miserable they were at the time 😕. Even so, it’s not political correctness gone mad to also show representation for the majority of people instead of pretending thin bodies are the only ones which exist
I am not talking about a representation, I am talking about "fit shaming". Fat shaming used to be status quo, and it was wrong. But now, it seems like people are shamed for wanting to be fit, because it makes the fat people feel bad about themselves. I have nothing against anyone, regardless of their size. That being said, I am tired of being criticized for being in shape, and wanting to stay that way. If someone loves themselves the way they are, good on them. But don't tell me that I make someone else self conscious because I work my *kitten* off to stay healthy and in shape. If they don't want a reminder of how they look, they can do something about it. Its not my job to make them feel good about themselves. And it is not society's job either. People need to take whatever steps that they need to take in order to feel good about themselves.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
Does "fit shaming" really exist anywhere except on social media? I have never, ever experienced this, but I'm not on Facebook or any of that crap. Where are you being shamed for being fit?
The reality is that being fit is still preferred in our society. Overweight/obese people are less likely to be hired, earn less money, and are passed over for promotions.
I'm sorry, but fat shaming still IS the status quo.8 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Fidgetbrain wrote: »I don’t agree at all Jess, people don’t even know what a healthy body looks like even now, people were tearing apart Camila Cabello for being overweight and disgusting recently when she’s almost certainly at a healthy weight (I’m underweight and only a little thinner than her). The “healthy and fit” perfect woman of the moment usually shows up in a documentary a few years later talking about their eating disorder and how miserable they were at the time 😕. Even so, it’s not political correctness gone mad to also show representation for the majority of people instead of pretending thin bodies are the only ones which exist
I am not talking about a representation, I am talking about "fit shaming". Fat shaming used to be status quo, and it was wrong. But now, it seems like people are shamed for wanting to be fit, because it makes the fat people feel bad about themselves. I have nothing against anyone, regardless of their size. That being said, I am tired of being criticized for being in shape, and wanting to stay that way. If someone loves themselves the way they are, good on them. But don't tell me that I make someone else self conscious because I work my *kitten* off to stay healthy and in shape. If they don't want a reminder of how they look, they can do something about it. Its not my job to make them feel good about themselves. And it is not society's job either. People need to take whatever steps that they need to take in order to feel good about themselves.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
Does "fit shaming" really exist anywhere except on social media? I have never, ever experienced this, but I'm not on Facebook or any of that crap. Where are you being shamed for being fit?
The reality is that being fit is still preferred in our society. Overweight/obese people are less likely to be hired, earn less money, and are passed over for promotions.
I'm sorry, but fat shaming still IS the status quo.
WE will have to agree to disagree.1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Fidgetbrain wrote: »I don’t agree at all Jess, people don’t even know what a healthy body looks like even now, people were tearing apart Camila Cabello for being overweight and disgusting recently when she’s almost certainly at a healthy weight (I’m underweight and only a little thinner than her). The “healthy and fit” perfect woman of the moment usually shows up in a documentary a few years later talking about their eating disorder and how miserable they were at the time 😕. Even so, it’s not political correctness gone mad to also show representation for the majority of people instead of pretending thin bodies are the only ones which exist
I am not talking about a representation, I am talking about "fit shaming". Fat shaming used to be status quo, and it was wrong. But now, it seems like people are shamed for wanting to be fit, because it makes the fat people feel bad about themselves. I have nothing against anyone, regardless of their size. That being said, I am tired of being criticized for being in shape, and wanting to stay that way. If someone loves themselves the way they are, good on them. But don't tell me that I make someone else self conscious because I work my *kitten* off to stay healthy and in shape. If they don't want a reminder of how they look, they can do something about it. Its not my job to make them feel good about themselves. And it is not society's job either. People need to take whatever steps that they need to take in order to feel good about themselves.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
Does "fit shaming" really exist anywhere except on social media? I have never, ever experienced this, but I'm not on Facebook or any of that crap. Where are you being shamed for being fit?
The reality is that being fit is still preferred in our society. Overweight/obese people are less likely to be hired, earn less money, and are passed over for promotions.
I'm sorry, but fat shaming still IS the status quo.
Yeah, I see a lot more people who are overweight treated badly than the minor social backlash to being thin - society wide, and as a standard. Again, don't attribute motives to me but the aggressive push for people to accept themselves and love themselves as they are is not fit shaming, it came from somewhere (treating fat/obese people as less than human), and honestly there's a big old difference between individual backlash and a society wide thing. I do occasionally get crap now, but it's not a STANDARD THING ENDORSED BY THE SOCIETY/CULTURE WE LIVE IN. It's people being jerks.
The less hiring, less pay, less options for dressing yourself, MEDICAL CARE ISSUES (my god the medical crap - I don't mean doctors shouldn't address weight but they also still need to provide treatment/care/investigation beyond that), IS a society wide thing.
NO ONE should have to fight to be treated like a human or treated as disgusting because they're not attractive - and especially because they're not healthy.
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Back in the day, actors, actresses, models, etc were forced to work out and bein shape to get and keep their jobs.
Today, political correctness means that we have to celebrate fat people. You see, there are more fat people to sell to than fit people, and we would certainly not want to "hurt anyone's feelings" by putting someone healthy and fit out into the public eye. Fattie Mae might break down and eat all the donuts.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Oh yes, the days of forced anorexia to keep your job was much better! And long gone, too! Nowadays, you never see an underweight model, right? Amirite?
Are you really suggesting that there is no longer any pressure on actors, models, media personalities, etc, to be thin? Are you being serious when you say that "fat people" are now preferred in these professions?
Two words.
Kate
Upton
Very beautiful young lady. If you took a measure of her body fat content, she would be considered obese. Nothing whatsoever fit about her. And she is not the only one.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. Just that there is no longer the pressure to remain fit in order to be on TV or in a magazine. I believe that is the difference between now and the 80's as this post topic stated. Society, the media, the government, want to be sure not to hurt the feelings of anyone.
Call me shallow, but I don't want to see a 235#, 5'4" woman modeling a bikini in a magazine or advertisement, and I guarantee you I won't be inclined to buy that bikini if I do see it. But the other side DOES want to see it, because it makes them feel good about themselves, and industry is selling to that side because they grossly (no pun intended) outweigh (no pun intended) the fit side.
Well, maybe pun intended.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Fidgetbrain wrote: »I don’t agree at all Jess, people don’t even know what a healthy body looks like even now, people were tearing apart Camila Cabello for being overweight and disgusting recently when she’s almost certainly at a healthy weight (I’m underweight and only a little thinner than her). The “healthy and fit” perfect woman of the moment usually shows up in a documentary a few years later talking about their eating disorder and how miserable they were at the time 😕. Even so, it’s not political correctness gone mad to also show representation for the majority of people instead of pretending thin bodies are the only ones which exist
I am not talking about a representation, I am talking about "fit shaming". Fat shaming used to be status quo, and it was wrong. But now, it seems like people are shamed for wanting to be fit, because it makes the fat people feel bad about themselves. I have nothing against anyone, regardless of their size. That being said, I am tired of being criticized for being in shape, and wanting to stay that way. If someone loves themselves the way they are, good on them. But don't tell me that I make someone else self conscious because I work my *kitten* off to stay healthy and in shape. If they don't want a reminder of how they look, they can do something about it. Its not my job to make them feel good about themselves. And it is not society's job either. People need to take whatever steps that they need to take in order to feel good about themselves.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
Does "fit shaming" really exist anywhere except on social media? I have never, ever experienced this, but I'm not on Facebook or any of that crap. Where are you being shamed for being fit?
The reality is that being fit is still preferred in our society. Overweight/obese people are less likely to be hired, earn less money, and are passed over for promotions.
I'm sorry, but fat shaming still IS the status quo.
WE will have to agree to disagree.
I've been slender since 2015. I guess this is the sort of thing that will vary according to your social circle and family structure, but I've never gotten any criticism for being slender or regularly exercising, while I know it's routine for obese people to get all sorts of unwanted criticism and comments on their weight.
Does it happen? I mean, all sorts of unusual things happen in the world, so I'm not going to say it never happens.
But it's not like the tables have flipped and slender people are now the victims.4 -
wunderkindking wrote: »
NO ONE should have to fight to be treated like a human or treated as disgusting because they're not attractive - and especially because they're not healthy.
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Back in the day, actors, actresses, models, etc were forced to work out and bein shape to get and keep their jobs.
Today, political correctness means that we have to celebrate fat people. You see, there are more fat people to sell to than fit people, and we would certainly not want to "hurt anyone's feelings" by putting someone healthy and fit out into the public eye. Fattie Mae might break down and eat all the donuts.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Oh yes, the days of forced anorexia to keep your job was much better! And long gone, too! Nowadays, you never see an underweight model, right? Amirite?
Are you really suggesting that there is no longer any pressure on actors, models, media personalities, etc, to be thin? Are you being serious when you say that "fat people" are now preferred in these professions?
Two words.
Kate
Upton
Very beautiful young lady. If you took a measure of her body fat content, she would be considered obese. Nothing whatsoever fit about her. And she is not the only one.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. Just that there is no longer the pressure to remain fit in order to be on TV or in a magazine. I believe that is the difference between now and the 80's as this post topic stated. Society, the media, the government, want to be sure not to hurt the feelings of anyone.
Call me shallow, but I don't want to see a 235#, 5'4" woman modeling a bikini in a magazine or advertisement, and I guarantee you I won't be inclined to buy that bikini if I do see it. But the other side DOES want to see it, because it makes them feel good about themselves, and industry is selling to that side because they grossly (no pun intended) outweigh (no pun intended) the fit side.
Well, maybe pun intended.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
Kate Upton is 5'10" and 136 pounds? Nothing whatsoever fit about her? A 19.5 BMI is nowhere near obese.
She is a normal, healthy weight, so the fact that her weight is even a topic of discussion proves how skewed the standards of the modeling industry are.
For every 235# model, there are hundreds of underweight or normal weight ones. Same with other public personalities. You just notice the "larger" ones more, because they are not the norm.9 -
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There is most definitely still pressure for most people in the spotlight (movies, tv, models especially) to be thin--and not just "Normal" thin, underweight-thin. I'm still shocked when I watch movies or TV, especially with younger actresses, how thin they look. I'm 20.2 BMI, so smaller than the average American, but would probably be the character constantly criticizing her weight, or in the best-case scenario a "normal" representation of a woman.
The reason there is now the body acceptance movement was the backlash to the societal pressure for women to be thin to be viewed as attractive. I don't believe it originally was saying that women of all sizes are healthy, but can be beautiful. I am glad that I am now seeing more models who are of actual "normal" size (and not just really small or really big), but I will admit it did take my brain a bit of getting used to, as I think many of us are still programmed to believe that model thin=beautiful/desirable.
What I really think, though, is that we need to stop worrying about what other people look like and choose to do with their bodies (myself included) and worry about our own health.5 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Back in the day, actors, actresses, models, etc were forced to work out and bein shape to get and keep their jobs.
Today, political correctness means that we have to celebrate fat people. You see, there are more fat people to sell to than fit people, and we would certainly not want to "hurt anyone's feelings" by putting someone healthy and fit out into the public eye. Fattie Mae might break down and eat all the donuts.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Oh yes, the days of forced anorexia to keep your job was much better! And long gone, too! Nowadays, you never see an underweight model, right? Amirite?
Are you really suggesting that there is no longer any pressure on actors, models, media personalities, etc, to be thin? Are you being serious when you say that "fat people" are now preferred in these professions?
Two words.
Kate
Upton
Very beautiful young lady. If you took a measure of her body fat content, she would be considered obese. Nothing whatsoever fit about her. And she is not the only one.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. Just that there is no longer the pressure to remain fit in order to be on TV or in a magazine. I believe that is the difference between now and the 80's as this post topic stated. Society, the media, the government, want to be sure not to hurt the feelings of anyone.
Call me shallow, but I don't want to see a 235#, 5'4" woman modeling a bikini in a magazine or advertisement, and I guarantee you I won't be inclined to buy that bikini if I do see it. But the other side DOES want to see it, because it makes them feel good about themselves, and industry is selling to that side because they grossly (no pun intended) outweigh (no pun intended) the fit side.
Well, maybe pun intended.
Disclaimer: that is my opinion, and I am fully aware that having an opinion does not necessarily make me right.
I had no idea who she was, so I googled her. Unless she's recently gained a lot of weight, there's no way that she could be considered obese.6 -
Motorsheen wrote: »I have absolutely nothing of value to contribute to this thread. (or much anywhere else.)
I was just looking for an excuse to post this gif.
It somehow makes sense here..... maybe.
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My mom was super into Richard Simmons...
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On what planet would Kate Upton be considered obese?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »On what planet would Kate Upton be considered obese?
Planet Hollywood and Distorted Body Image, maybe ED.
Seriously she apparently gained some weight. She never made it NEAR an overweight BMI, much less an obese one.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »
Does "fit shaming" really exist anywhere except on social media?
No. It doesn't. I am surrounded by lots of extremely fit people despite my own fatness. And I have NEVER seen this phenomenon - where someone is fit (NOT too thin, like ALL models and most actors/actresses or on-air television news hosts are forced to be as a condition of employment, but a healthy weight) yet been shamed or even anything other than celebrated for it. OTOH, fat shaming remains ubiquitous no matter what media (or people) we're talking about.
My daughter is a documentary film maker. When she was first starting out, around 2010 or so, she did camera and producer work at both the NY and Milan fashion shows one year. She told me that you could literally see the individual vertebrae (complete with their curvature) in the backs of every single model. You could see the hunger in most of their eyes. She said that she was so horrified she literally wanted to scream at these women to please eat something before they collapsed. But, as a film maker working for someone else, she could do no more than just call me and cry over the fact what she referred to as "damned near concentration camp thin" was being celebrated by the movers and shakers of the world (and by us as consumers.)
Whether one is too thin or too fat, the unhealthy body and beauty standards imposed upon us by this western culture of ours will kill us all. Inside our souls, even if not literally in our bodies. Just my opinion. I am trying to lose weight to be healthy - not to meet some standard of healthy defined by others only in terms of BMI. And especially not European weight/height charts, which are grounded in bodies that have no badonkadonk. At almost 60, I'm damned proud of mine and have no intention of starving it away!
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wunderkindking wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »On what planet would Kate Upton be considered obese?
Planet Hollywood and Distorted Body Image, maybe ED.
Seriously she apparently gained some weight. She never made it NEAR an overweight BMI, much less an obese one.
The same thing happened to both Tyra Banks and Rihanna. Both went from too-thin to pleasingly plump - and both were ripped apart for becoming fat. Both women have written about how that criticism affected them. Fortunately, both focused on their health and said F the haters.6 -
Answering the original question - yes, folks were thinner in the 70's and 80's. But all you have to do is look at a few differences in how people lived: (a) meals prepared by others -- fast food in particular -- were way smaller than they are now; today, a much bigger percentage of people's meals are prepared by others outside the home and we have become accustomed to those larger sizes as "normal" portions at the same time as folks are less physically active in the hours they aren't working; (b) children being expected to go outside to play and be active every day, or having PE at school every day, used to be the default, but that ended as folks started believing in the myth that children have to be constantly "achieving" or "preparing" or "competing" academically and the equally destructive myth that it is far more dangerous for children to be left to their own devices outside; (c) no 24 hour anything, so people both had less access to unhealthy things around the clock AND got more meaningful sleep - which of course is tied to exercise; and (d) the levels of stress and anxiety were far far less in most people than they are now, in which insecurity about everything from job to relationship is a virtual constant for many people and contributes to things like stress eating in a world where getting counseling or therapy to help manage stress and anxiety is completely dependent on having money or good-enough insurance. All of those things factor into the equation, IMO.1
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