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Well, with the vaccine now widely available where I live, and California now "open," I'm cool with people masking or not to their own prerogative. It would be nice if the unvaxxed would stay masked but since theres no way to know, people gonna do what they want. I'm still seeing quite a few masked - I'd say a third to half.
I'm now unmasked in less crowded spaces, but still not rushing to crowded venues or theaters any time soon. Still eating on patios. That's my choice. I'll mingle when I'm ready. ✌
I'm responding to my own quote from earlier, now that I've been out and about a bit more.
I hadn't been out much in the past months, but in the past week I've been to quite a few places. It seemed like the first few places I went earlier on after the state reopened - animal shelter, hardware store, library - most people were NOT wearing masks anymore. It was less than 50% for sure. I just assumed that what I'd seen earlier was widespread. Wrong.
Because later in the week, I was surprised when I went to a few different grocery stores and a pet supply store, and the vast, vast majority were still wearing masks. Walmart had just as many masked up as the Whole Foods, which I was not expecting. It was probably near 8/10 people still masking. So I guess mask usage just depends on where you go.
The medical clinic (went to the pharmacy there) was at 100% of course, and I'd be fine with them just keeping mask policies at medical facilities (at least for patients and visitors) since that's where sick people congregate. I've always been a little grossed out waiting in a busy clinic with people coughing and sniffling and looking like death all around me.
I am happy that even without masks, social distancing seems to still be going strong whether people are masking or not. I like having a little personal space under normal conditions, too. It makes me like people more.
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Did an impromptu dinner out last Saturday night in our downtown area, the first since CA has "fully reopened". Some of the clubs and restaurants were PACKED. It's such a swift, stark contrast to just a month ago. I've been fine eating out and have started to get more comfortable going without a mask where no longer required, but not sure I'm ready to be in packed indoors with wall to wall people at this point. We ate at restaurant that was busy but still had tables spaced out, and took advantage of the temporary outdoor eating areas that are being allowed to remain through the end of the year. It's nice to have the expanded patio dining available with the nice weather.
We did a museum visit yesterday, and they were still requiring masks in all indoor areas, and enforcing it. People were being good about it, and for the most part, seemed to be maintaining more distance than pre-pandemic.
Our vaccination rate in my area is decent but not stellar, with an overall rate of 60/68% rate of fully vaccinated/at least one dose for all eligible. It's approximately 70%/80% for the 50+ age group, 55/64% in the 18-49 group, and 30/40% for the 12-17 age group.8 -
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
"The clinical presentation gives me concern that we're dealing with a very infectious variant that is quite deadly," Hopes told Burnett.
"Clearly masks work, but the vaccine is more important at this point," Hopes said."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
This is the only comment about this article because I don't want to start a heated discussion. But why, why, did six people had to get infected and two people had to died when vaccines are available and masks have been recommended for un-vaccinated people?12 -
A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
"The clinical presentation gives me concern that we're dealing with a very infectious variant that is quite deadly," Hopes told Burnett.
"Clearly masks work, but the vaccine is more important at this point," Hopes said."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
This is the only comment about this article because I don't want to start a heated discussion. But why, why, did six people had to get infected and two people had to died when vaccines are available and masks have been recommended for un-vaccinated people?
In case your question is not rhetorical - those who follow Florida politics know the answer to that. Since we can't discuss politics in the main forum, I cannot elaborate.6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected
"The clinical presentation gives me concern that we're dealing with a very infectious variant that is quite deadly," Hopes told Burnett.
"Clearly masks work, but the vaccine is more important at this point," Hopes said."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
This is the only comment about this article because I don't want to start a heated discussion. But why, why, did six people had to get infected and two people had to died when vaccines are available and masks have been recommended for un-vaccinated people?
In case your question is not rhetorical - those who follow Florida politics know the answer to that. Since we can't discuss politics in the main forum, I cannot elaborate.
Amen to that! I am still sad for the two people that died and the family that they left behind. I hope that the other four infected people get well soon and without lingering side effects.2 -
I understand reasoning for those who wear masks and those who do not. Does anyone understand the person that walks around the store wearing a mask under their chin?6
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I understand reasoning for those who wear masks and those who do not. Does anyone understand the person that walks around the store wearing a mask under their chin?
I often wear a mask under my chin outside so I can pull it up if I go inside. So I assume that, and they forgot (or they did it to pull it up if required and maybe it wasn't required). A guy in my office building was scolded by a security person for not wearing a mask in the lobby and claimed (he was likely from the 'burbs) that he was used to thinking he needed a mask to go in places but kept finding it wasn't required so forgot. Seems plausible enough, he didn't object to putting it on when learning the rules. (I don't think he worked in the building, he was going to a title company with lots of people who visit for a closing.)1 -
I understand reasoning for those who wear masks and those who do not. Does anyone understand the person that walks around the store wearing a mask under their chin?
I went to Walgreens yesterday afternoon to pick a prescription and other things. The store is never crowded and masks are not required for vaccinated people (I am), but they are required for non-vaccinated folks. All employees are required to wear a mask. I kept mine under my nose, and sometimes under my mouth when I was alone in an empty isle, and I covered mouth and nose if somebody approached and when I went to the pharmacy area to pay.
It was easier for me having my mask down than trying to breathe thru it all the time, and at the same time I was ready for protection, as needed. Maybe it was the same for that person.
I live in the California desert and our temps have been horrendous last week reaching up to 125F. Even inside and with a dry weather, I assure you that having a mask in the heat is not comfortable at all.
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@lemurcat2 and @gisel2015 Logical explanations. The other person that wore it strangely was encountered in dollartree. I will call it "riding the lip". She had it under the nose and against her lip so that it moved up and down as she talked. But unlike Gisel's case, she was the only cashier and near every person that made a purchase. I have to assume that her mask is to fulfill employee requirements and not for personal protection.4
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Just wanted to share my experience. I was at a simulation center in a hospital yesterday. At the hospital mask are required by everyone while inside the hospital at all times.
The simulation center is on the top floor but still part of the hospital so of course we all wore masks. The guy running it told us all to take them off because “I already had covid and I am also vaccinated and you are all vaccinated”.
I had not worn makeup and had scabs on my face (poison ivy from camping that was healing) so I of course was not going to remove mine. Everyone removed theirs but me and he looked straight at me and said “no one in any of the other groups have been wearing them all day, take it off”. I kept it on. He then said it again “we’ve al been vaccinated so you can take the mask off” and looked at me again. I felt so uncomfortable the whole time and thought it was wrong to pressure me to take mine off.
If I hadn’t had the rash I probably would have taken it off because of being pressured and not wanting to be the “weird” one. However, in the hospital there are so many germs it’s probably better to have a mask on anyways.26 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I had not worn makeup and had scabs on my face (poison ivy from camping that was healing) so I of course was not going to remove mine. Everyone removed theirs but me and he looked straight at me and said “no one in any of the other groups have been wearing them all day, take it off”. I kept it on. He then said it again “we’ve al been vaccinated so you can take the mask off” and looked at me again. I felt so uncomfortable the whole time and thought it was wrong to pressure me to take mine off.
I'm kinda angry on your behalf that you were subjected to being singled out and pressured like that. I'd have looked straight back at him and said, "Yes, and I CAN leave it on, which is what I choose to do".
At this point, the choice to voluntarily wear a mask (assuming it's not required anyway) should be no different from the choice to wear earrings, or a bracelet, or a scarf.18 -
I have a friend who I walk our dogs with every weekend & her Dr told her since she had cancer to wear a mask at all times. I stated going back to the gym about 3 weeds ago which required masks but a few days ago it was no longer required so it was 50 50. I usually go when there's not many ppl anyway so I didn't wear a mask but do when there's more ppl, it's never crowded though2
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I had not worn makeup and had scabs on my face (poison ivy from camping that was healing) so I of course was not going to remove mine. Everyone removed theirs but me and he looked straight at me and said “no one in any of the other groups have been wearing them all day, take it off”. I kept it on. He then said it again “we’ve al been vaccinated so you can take the mask off” and looked at me again. I felt so uncomfortable the whole time and thought it was wrong to pressure me to take mine off.
I'm kinda angry on your behalf that you were subjected to being singled out and pressured like that. I'd have looked straight back at him and said, "Yes, and I CAN leave it on, which is what I choose to do".
At this point, the choice to voluntarily wear a mask (assuming it's not required anyway) should be no different from the choice to wear earrings, or a bracelet, or a scarf.
Totally agree. What a jerk he is. You have every right to wear whatever you want. Sounds like a control freak.13 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I had not worn makeup and had scabs on my face (poison ivy from camping that was healing) so I of course was not going to remove mine. Everyone removed theirs but me and he looked straight at me and said “no one in any of the other groups have been wearing them all day, take it off”. I kept it on. He then said it again “we’ve al been vaccinated so you can take the mask off” and looked at me again. I felt so uncomfortable the whole time and thought it was wrong to pressure me to take mine off.
I'm kinda angry on your behalf that you were subjected to being singled out and pressured like that. I'd have looked straight back at him and said, "Yes, and I CAN leave it on, which is what I choose to do".
At this point, the choice to voluntarily wear a mask (assuming it's not required anyway) should be no different from the choice to wear earrings, or a bracelet, or a scarf.
I agree. What an *kitten*. My nephew had a transplant and was ordered to wear a mask by his doctors for quite awhile. Another relative of mine had to wear a mask during cancer treatment. There are a lot of reasons someone might be wearing a mask that's nobody else's business. It's fine to say, "Hey, masks aren't required anymore, so lose em if you want." But to repeatedly comment...you know bringing attention to people over and over is embarrassing. It seems pretty obvious to me that after the first time you say it, the person clearly WANTS to keep their mask on, so just leave it alone.14 -
@Noreenmarie1234 What a tool he was. If it were me I would notify his management about the pressure he put on you all. I personally know someone who had serious side effects with their first Pfizer shot and were advised by their doctor that they shouldn't have the second one so their protection is less than those fully vaccinated. If someone wants to wear a mask then others should shut the *kitten* up.16
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and totally aside from Covid _ if people want to wear whatever they want, as long as it is not interfering in the activity (so, understandably people might get told to remove loose scarfs in dealing with machinery ) then nobody elses business.
Your personal reasons don't come into it - you just are because you want to.
I agree with putting in a complaint.15 -
Apparently getting vaccinated isn’t enough where I live - they have extended the mask mandates until end of September. Looks Ike my son is going to have to postpone his wedding for a third time. The most annoying thing about it is that it is scheduled for Sep 24 so if they do lift it Oct 1 then we miss being able to do a normal wedding by a week - but probably won’t get another date until next year.
At this point they should just lift the mask mandates it’s getting ridiculous everyone has the opportunity to get their vaccine let us have a normal life ffs.9 -
This is the only way to really get herd immunity and convinced people to get vaccinated. Don't you think
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Apparently getting vaccinated isn’t enough where I live - they have extended the mask mandates until end of September. Looks Ike my son is going to have to postpone his wedding for a third time. The most annoying thing about it is that it is scheduled for Sep 24 so if they do lift it Oct 1 then we miss being able to do a normal wedding by a week - but probably won’t get another date until next year.
At this point they should just lift the mask mandates it’s getting ridiculous everyone has the opportunity to get their vaccine let us have a normal life ffs.
I would love the 7 people who disagreed with this to think about how it would feel having to cancel their wedding for the THIRD time in a year because it is scheduled literally 7 days before the probable full provincial reopening goes into effect. Even though every guest will be fully vaccinated. It sucks.8 -
Apparently getting vaccinated isn’t enough where I live - they have extended the mask mandates until end of September. Looks Ike my son is going to have to postpone his wedding for a third time. The most annoying thing about it is that it is scheduled for Sep 24 so if they do lift it Oct 1 then we miss being able to do a normal wedding by a week - but probably won’t get another date until next year.
At this point they should just lift the mask mandates it’s getting ridiculous everyone has the opportunity to get their vaccine let us have a normal life ffs.
I would love the 7 people who disagreed with this to think about how it would feel having to cancel their wedding for the THIRD time in a year because it is scheduled literally 7 days before the probable full provincial reopening goes into effect. Even though every guest will be fully vaccinated. It sucks.
If it's just the masks I would try to come up with some way to incorporate them into the wedding, like lace-covered masks in the wedding colors for everyone. If there are attendance restrictions, then that just sucks.8 -
@33gail33 I am do very sorry for the impact on your family. We were fortunate DD wedding was 2017 and our first grandson was born Jan 31, 2020. (Ironically DD and husband were masked a quarentined for delivery and recovery because DD was diagnosed with the flu - portending of things to come?). Our niece had to have her wedding moved. Our neighbors daughter was moved twice and then cancelled as a public event. Friends of my daughter were just married two weeks ago after two cancellations for them. Weddings are a special family moment and start to life together. I do hope that it all works out and your son's wedding is lovely on Sept 24.6
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I can't help but feel that people who would consider a wedding ruined because people have to wear masks would always find something to be unhappy about -- the weather was bad, the flowers weren't perfect, something was wrong with the cake, the food, the DJ, the band.
I've been to weddings where people made drunken scenes or fist fights broke out involving immediate family of bride and groom. The couples are still happily married, and people still have good memories of other parts of the day.13 -
I got married in February. Instead of worrying about a venue, we decorated my in-laws house and had a small wedding there. It was beautiful, personal, and our guests(close family and a few friends) were on board for wearing masks despite most of them being fully vaccinated. My mother-in-law made me a beautiful mask using lace from her wedding dress and wearing masks did not disrupt our day. We took it off while eating/drinking, while taking some photos, and during the ceremony(JOP requested it so people could hear us better, but it was a very quick ceremony, and sealing the deal would have been quite unusual). I wouldn't have changed anything, except for being able to have my brother there with us; CA and CT both had tough restrictions, and his return to work would have been more complicated due to their covid policies. Fortunately, we were able to video call him to watch the wedding, and that was perfect.
Unless the reason you will have to reschedule is due to size limitations, I would still keep the date. Masks are not going to ruin the entire day, and if people don't want to wear them while supporting the bride and groom, then they don't seem very supportive, IMHO.15 -
Apparently getting vaccinated isn’t enough where I live - they have extended the mask mandates until end of September. Looks Ike my son is going to have to postpone his wedding for a third time. The most annoying thing about it is that it is scheduled for Sep 24 so if they do lift it Oct 1 then we miss being able to do a normal wedding by a week - but probably won’t get another date until next year.
At this point they should just lift the mask mandates it’s getting ridiculous everyone has the opportunity to get their vaccine let us have a normal life ffs.
I would love the 7 people who disagreed with this to think about how it would feel having to cancel their wedding for the THIRD time in a year because it is scheduled literally 7 days before the probable full provincial reopening goes into effect. Even though every guest will be fully vaccinated. It sucks.
33gail33 - if I remember correctly you are in Ontario? if so, I can totally relate to your frustration. not sure people outside Ontario/Canada know just how bad we have had it here. the rest of the world has been opening up around us for MONTHS and here we can't go to the gym/get a haircut/go to a restaurant/play outdoor sports.
even more frustrating is the constantly shifting goal posts - Ontario has far surpassed the "goals" to be much closer to a reopening (still nowhere near a full reopening) and just as we reach the milestone they move the goalpost.
so I can totally relate to the frustration of thinking something is going to happen (for me it has been the gym and baseball season) only to be told again and again that the timeline is changing (with no good justification - our covid cases are in the 200's for a population of 15 million+)7 -
cmhubbard92 wrote: »I got married in February. Instead of worrying about a venue, we decorated my in-laws house and had a small wedding there. It was beautiful, personal, and our guests(close family and a few friends) were on board for wearing masks despite most of them being fully vaccinated. My mother-in-law made me a beautiful mask using lace from her wedding dress and wearing masks did not disrupt our day. We took it off while eating/drinking, while taking some photos, and during the ceremony(JOP requested it so people could hear us better, but it was a very quick ceremony, and sealing the deal would have been quite unusual). I wouldn't have changed anything, except for being able to have my brother there with us; CA and CT both had tough restrictions, and his return to work would have been more complicated due to their covid policies. Fortunately, we were able to video call him to watch the wedding, and that was perfect.
Unless the reason you will have to reschedule is due to size limitations, I would still keep the date. Masks are not going to ruin the entire day, and if people don't want to wear them while supporting the bride and groom, then they don't seem very supportive, IMHO.
here in Ontario (where I think 33gail33 is from) we have not been able to meet with people from outside our household for months. we have been on lockdown since last November and could literally not meet with anyone we don't live with - in or outside. And yes, police have been called on people who have others over - it is absolute insanity here with no real end in sight. that being said, some of those restrictions MAY be easing up in the next month or two, but I would imagine it is hard for someone to plan on having a wedding having no idea if that would even be legal at the time (even in a private home).5 -
A super spreader event in Sydney Australia in the last couple of weeks (the numbers may be low compared to elsewhere but does show the impac of having the vaccine)....of the 30 or so people in attendance the only people who did not catch the delta virus were those who had the vaccine including one person who had only one dose. So of the about 30 in attendance...24 contracted the virus...six did not, and those six had the vaccine.18
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@Muscleflex79 that makes sense. If its purely restrictions causing the need to postpone the wedding, that makes sense and is frustrating. Original post appears as though it is frustrated with mask mandated being extended, and that they can't have a "normal" wedding, not anything else, and that is what my response was about.Apparently getting vaccinated isn’t enough where I live - they have extended the mask mandates until end of September. Looks Ike my son is going to have to postpone his wedding for a third time. The most annoying thing about it is that it is scheduled for Sep 24 so if they do lift it Oct 1 then we miss being able to do a normal wedding by a week - but probably won’t get another date until next year.2
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cmhubbard92 wrote: »@Muscleflex79 that makes sense. If its purely restrictions causing the need to postpone the wedding, that makes sense and is frustrating. Original post appears as though it is frustrated with mask mandated being extended, and that they can't have a "normal" wedding, not anything else, and that is what my response was about.Apparently getting vaccinated isn’t enough where I live - they have extended the mask mandates until end of September. Looks Ike my son is going to have to postpone his wedding for a third time. The most annoying thing about it is that it is scheduled for Sep 24 so if they do lift it Oct 1 then we miss being able to do a normal wedding by a week - but probably won’t get another date until next year.
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that either - if it was just the mask situation or numbers restriction. Either way it is a very frustrating time to be an Ontarian right now!3 -
(Disclaimer: not knocking anyone who actually enjoys big weddings; just sharing MY experience and opinion.)
I got married (to my now-ex husband) in Okinawa in the late 80s. We were both in the military. We first had to do a bunch of stuff on base, then had to run around getting paperwork signed at various places off base, where there was a considerable language barrier. We had Iron Maiden's "Somewhere in Time" cassette on a loop the whole time. After the last stop, we looked at each other and said, "I guess we're married now?" and exchanged rings.
I hate big social events like weddings and will always have fond memories of this. And my legal marriage certificate in in Japanese, which is fun.
I'm trying to figure out how to get my next marriage as small as possible. Thinking Justice of the Peace. But my Mom wants to go, and my sister, and then we'd have to invite his brother (and family.) Ack.13 -
My best friend got married a couple weeks ago; barefoot in her backyard with two witnesses and the guy doing the ceremony. They're planning a ceremony/reception in September but the real wedding is done. The only person who is annoyed is her mom.7
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