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missysippy930 wrote: »Tuesday, my husband was taken to the hospital from work with tightness in his chest. His heart is good. It’s been determined that he has blood clots in both lungs, that have apparently traveled from his left knee area. He’s being given blood thinners to try to dissolve clots. No family (or personal) history of blood clots. The vascular specialist yesterday brought up side affects from the vaccine, which, in rare cases have been associated. We were fully vaccinated as 4/8/21. He’s not in the ICU, but next step down, critical care. Round the clock monitoring. At least in the hospital for one more day.
I’m not trying to suggest this is due to the vaccine, just that it maybe a possibility. Knowing this, we both still would have been vaccinated. Stay aware of changes in your health.
@missysippy930 I had to be shipped to a larger hospital with a heart ICU to get my lungs cleared quickly using tPS directly into each lung for 12 hours. They put a port like opening in my groin and fed 2 lines up through my heart so I had a line feeding tPA directly into each lung. I never had any pain and was still walking and talking but my then right leg hot and swollen. Have you viewed the dye contrast Lung CT scan yet?
I was not real stressed but the staff at our local hospital got tense at 2pm when they did the dye contrast CT lung scan because I had checked into ER at 7am that morning.
It was an hour ride to the regional heart center and EMT that was monitoring me talked with me about everything under the sun the entire trip. The 2 of them rolled me to my ICU bed and transferred me to it. Doctors came in and within 30 minutes I was in surgery getting my groin haircut.
Wishing your husband the best and the family.
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ExistingFish wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »So many of these responses are tangential and do not apply to the scenario described.
As for those mentioning acceptance, sure I get that. BUT, when you are mentioning acceptance of masks, please honestly answer this question. How accepting would you have been a year and a half ago if someone with social anxiety wanted to wear a mask into a bank? My point is that our sudden acceptance of this new norm of wearing masks is not because we suddenly care about the feelings of those with social anxiety, it is because this past year with COVID has made masks normalized. You NEVER could wear a mask into a bank, yet now it is required.
As we learn new information and encounter new situations, different acts become normalized. We make room for varying types of behavior that meet individual needs. This seems like a positive thing overall, not a negative.
While accepting new behaviors is part of life. I personally do not consider masks a positive. I miss facial expressions and seeing people smile. I do not like that people can better hide their identities. I fully accept that some may need them for medical reasons. I am so happy to be fully engaging with people again. Did you hear the story on the news last week about the young boy that encountered his teacher outside of the masked school setting? She had no idea who he was. We can relate and connect with people better when we can see our expressive faces.
A way masks are not a positive for me - I've long suspected I do a little lip reading - it is harder for me to understand people with certain accents when we are on the phone vs speaking in person where I can see them. (Interestingly, after spending a long time working with people from India I apparently adjusted to that accent and stopped having a problem understanding them over the phone.)
So I have a harder time understanding people with accents when they are masked. I notice I look at masks when people are talking, which is not very helpful
This is me! I suspected hearing issues with certain tones, and I do so much better with movies when there are subtitles (I blamed my ADHD for that one), but I, too, find myself staring at masks when people talk 😬 and frequent repeating is sometimes necessary... throw in a plexiglass barrier with background music and other ambient room noises and there are times I am sure we are both beyond frustrated... I can’t imagine behind behind one and having to do it all day, I would be exhausted!
I have been tested for hearing loss and mechanically my hearing is near perfect. I still struggle to hear people in masks. Even over the phone! It is the muffling affect I assume plus I think I have an auditory processing difficulty on my end.
Nerve hearing loss had turned me into a lip reader without me realizing it.
Today WalMart had the pandemic door barricaded for remodeling but because I walk starring at my feet I didn't see that fact and decided to walk to the other door only realize my mask was far away in the car. I said screw it and went on in. 10% of shoppers and 50% of staff were wearing masks today I realized.
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I had the AZ shot today. Didn't hurt one bit and no sore arm or any symptoms so far.10
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ExistingFish wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »So many of these responses are tangential and do not apply to the scenario described.
As for those mentioning acceptance, sure I get that. BUT, when you are mentioning acceptance of masks, please honestly answer this question. How accepting would you have been a year and a half ago if someone with social anxiety wanted to wear a mask into a bank? My point is that our sudden acceptance of this new norm of wearing masks is not because we suddenly care about the feelings of those with social anxiety, it is because this past year with COVID has made masks normalized. You NEVER could wear a mask into a bank, yet now it is required.
As we learn new information and encounter new situations, different acts become normalized. We make room for varying types of behavior that meet individual needs. This seems like a positive thing overall, not a negative.
While accepting new behaviors is part of life. I personally do not consider masks a positive. I miss facial expressions and seeing people smile. I do not like that people can better hide their identities. I fully accept that some may need them for medical reasons. I am so happy to be fully engaging with people again. Did you hear the story on the news last week about the young boy that encountered his teacher outside of the masked school setting? She had no idea who he was. We can relate and connect with people better when we can see our expressive faces.
A way masks are not a positive for me - I've long suspected I do a little lip reading - it is harder for me to understand people with certain accents when we are on the phone vs speaking in person where I can see them. (Interestingly, after spending a long time working with people from India I apparently adjusted to that accent and stopped having a problem understanding them over the phone.)
So I have a harder time understanding people with accents when they are masked. I notice I look at masks when people are talking, which is not very helpful
This is me! I suspected hearing issues with certain tones, and I do so much better with movies when there are subtitles (I blamed my ADHD for that one), but I, too, find myself staring at masks when people talk 😬 and frequent repeating is sometimes necessary... throw in a plexiglass barrier with background music and other ambient room noises and there are times I am sure we are both beyond frustrated... I can’t imagine behind behind one and having to do it all day, I would be exhausted!
I have been tested for hearing loss and mechanically my hearing is near perfect. I still struggle to hear people in masks. Even over the phone! It is the muffling affect I assume plus I think I have an auditory processing difficulty on my end.
I have a slight hearing defect in one ear - it didn’t really affect everyday life or discussion pre-masks, except for the fact that it’s harder for me to figure out where a sound is coming from if I can’t see the source. Masks make this extra difficult if a stranger is talking and I can’t see anyone’s mouth move to see who it is and there’s no context that helps a conclusion. Friends and acquaintances are easier, since I recognize their voices better. My inability to recognize direction of sound is sometimes almost comical - if I’m not looking and don’t know where in the apartment my husband is, I might have to do a full 360 to literally see if my husband is talking to me from my front, behind, left or right, especially if he’s not right next to me. I also do a fair bit of lip reading to support my hearing.
I’ve been using subtitles in tv and movies since I learned how to read, as I didn’t start learning English until 3rd grade and Finnish television doesn’t dub anything other than small children’s tv shows and cartoons. Even now I often put on English subtitles on English-speaking programs, just so I don’t have to follow the audio as closely and I can check the occasional unfamiliar or unclear word from the subtitles.6 -
@AnnPT77 and @lemurcat2
Thank you for your tolerance.
To those still yelling at me, please so back to my original post and please understand that was in context of a particular person in a particular setting. I am very accepting of masks. I just may not always understand someone's choice to do it when I personally cannot identify a benefit. I am not being mean. I have done nothing harmful to anyone, I just shared my personal thoughts in what I thought was a safe place to do so. So many arguments against my are tangential.
If you want to know more about me and masks. I am betting that I am the only one in this whole forum that spent the last year sewing 3D masks, donating my time and the materials costs, and providing those masks to a charity for them to use as they see fit. I have provided hundreds of masks, free of charge and of no benefit to me other than feeling like I am helping others. I am not anti-masker, but I am someone who best understands things that are defined by logic. That applies to all aspect of my life. It is how my brain works and has always worked.
I am tired of defending myself. Again, I wrote about ONE woman and have spent 48 hours defending myself for making an observation that has harmed no one. This is a discussion group. If someone had issues with my statement, we could have talked about why I felt this way. IMO it was a logical thought - though I will totally agree that I did not think of the allergy scenario.
Nobody was yelling - in fact I thought people, myself included, replied very civilly.
But, like you say it is a discussion group - you post something, people can discuss it - as they did, giving many possibilities why mask wearing in the scenario you describe may not have been silly or illogical.11 -
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/vaccine-lotteries-are-working-experts-explain-why-222901456.html
Well maybe I got vaccinated too soon.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/vaccine-lotteries-are-working-experts-explain-why-222901456.html
Well maybe I got vaccinated too soon.
In my state the lottery is retroactive, so it doesn't matter if you already got your shot. You're in.7 -
Gross. I went to the store today. The cashier abruptly turned away, pulled down her mask and sneezed against her arm, kinda-sorta-maybe catching it, but not really. Then she pulled the mask back up, squirted on some hand sanitizer and said to the the girl bagging the groceries, "I didn't want to sneeze into my mask, then I'd be stuck with it!" The girl bagging the groceries replied, "I know, right?"
This reminded me of the guy I saw in a home improvement store early on in the pandemic who turned his face away, pulled his mask off and sneezed full on into the air with no effort to cover it, then put his mask back on. He said he didn't want to breathe his own sneeze in. Well, the rest of us don't want to breathe your sneeze in, either, sir.
I don't think some people quite understand the purpose of the mask.
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Last comment and then I need to move on in life. I found it interesting that the primary response to my last post is an evaluation on whether on not I got yelled at. Please realize that that that is how it felt to me. Feelings are always valid even if someone else cannot relate. Each of us when reading the written word apply inflection and tone to what we are reading. This applied inflection is an issue with quickly written statements in settings like texts, emails and posts and an issue I have tried to address with my children as they were growing up. Texting is a primary source of communication for that generation and there were many many times my child would be upset about what was written and yet I would interpret those same words with a benign or even positive tone.
That said. I stated how I felt. Based on these past few days and the responses, I am also speculating that an incorrect inflection is being applied to the words I have written as well.
Lastly, I am surprised that there was not one member commenting on my paragraph about not being anti-masker.13 -
Last comment and then I need to move on in life. I found it interesting that the primary response to my last post is an evaluation on whether on not I got yelled at. Please realize that that that is how it felt to me. Feelings are always valid even if someone else cannot relate. Each of us when reading the written word apply inflection and tone to what we are reading. This applied inflection is an issue with quickly written statements in settings like texts, emails and posts and an issue I have tried to address with my children as they were growing up. Texting is a primary source of communication for that generation and there were many many times my child would be upset about what was written and yet I would interpret those same words with a benign or even positive tone.
That said. I stated how I felt. Based on these past few days and the responses, I am also speculating that an incorrect inflection is being applied to the words I have written as well.
Lastly, I am surprised that there was not one member commenting on my paragraph about not being anti-masker.
I’m a nobody, but fwiw, thank you for volunteering your time and energy in making masks. That act says good things about your character.
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Last comment and then I need to move on in life. I found it interesting that the primary response to my last post is an evaluation on whether on not I got yelled at. Please realize that that that is how it felt to me. Feelings are always valid even if someone else cannot relate. Each of us when reading the written word apply inflection and tone to what we are reading. This applied inflection is an issue with quickly written statements in settings like texts, emails and posts and an issue I have tried to address with my children as they were growing up. Texting is a primary source of communication for that generation and there were many many times my child would be upset about what was written and yet I would interpret those same words with a benign or even positive tone.
That said. I stated how I felt. Based on these past few days and the responses, I am also speculating that an incorrect inflection is being applied to the words I have written as well.
Lastly, I am surprised that there was not one member commenting on my paragraph about not being anti-masker.
But that falls on you.
If everybody responded civilly, which they did, and you interpret it as yelling - that doesn’t make it yelling.
It's great that you made masks and I don't think anyone said you were anti masks - just that the person you commented on as being silly and illogical may not have been so at all.
People can disagree with your statements, you know - as they very civilly did.
I don't think any incorrect inflection was placed on your words - people just disagreed with what you said and explained why.
You seem to be making it into something it was not.
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Last comment and then I need to move on in life. I found it interesting that the primary response to my last post is an evaluation on whether on not I got yelled at. Please realize that that that is how it felt to me. Feelings are always valid even if someone else cannot relate. Each of us when reading the written word apply inflection and tone to what we are reading. This applied inflection is an issue with quickly written statements in settings like texts, emails and posts and an issue I have tried to address with my children as they were growing up. Texting is a primary source of communication for that generation and there were many many times my child would be upset about what was written and yet I would interpret those same words with a benign or even positive tone.
That said. I stated how I felt. Based on these past few days and the responses, I am also speculating that an incorrect inflection is being applied to the words I have written as well.
Lastly, I am surprised that there was not one member commenting on my paragraph about not being anti-masker.
Perhaps you're surprised because you're assuming that people are thinking things about you that they're just not. I am not sure what type of response you were trying to prompt, but I think part of the issue here is that you think people are overall against you or upset with you when really it's just that a handful of people wanted to point out that we didn't think the person was acting silly. It's not a big deal and nobody is upset with you.12 -
When you say "I think we can all agree X," e.g., "I think we can all agree some people are being silly," and provide an example of someone supposedly being silly, it is not surprising that people who don't agree that the example provided is necessarily an example of someone being silly should register their disagreement and explain their reasoning.9
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Worst "return to normal" news ever: Costco is going to start offering samples again.
Our blessed relief from clogged aisles is almost over.10 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Worst "return to normal" news ever: Costco is going to start offering samples again.
Our blessed relief from clogged aisles is almost over.
They were in full swing when I went last weekend.0 -
Our grocery store still has a masks required but there were quite a few folks ignoring the signs. as expected. Interesting that I would say it was mostly the 20 something males who I saw altho for sure other groups as well.
We are back in the office next week or so with the majority of the remote folks. I am perfectly ok with that as we are still wearing 100% masks there for now. What I am NOT ok with is one of my teams calling a meeting with 17 folks in it. Um no. I might walk in and greet and then leave. Haven't avoided the Covid19 for 16 months to snap back to THIS much normal yet.10 -
I think they were bringing out the carts last time we were there, too.0
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ExistingFish wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »So many of these responses are tangential and do not apply to the scenario described.
As for those mentioning acceptance, sure I get that. BUT, when you are mentioning acceptance of masks, please honestly answer this question. How accepting would you have been a year and a half ago if someone with social anxiety wanted to wear a mask into a bank? My point is that our sudden acceptance of this new norm of wearing masks is not because we suddenly care about the feelings of those with social anxiety, it is because this past year with COVID has made masks normalized. You NEVER could wear a mask into a bank, yet now it is required.
As we learn new information and encounter new situations, different acts become normalized. We make room for varying types of behavior that meet individual needs. This seems like a positive thing overall, not a negative.
While accepting new behaviors is part of life. I personally do not consider masks a positive. I miss facial expressions and seeing people smile. I do not like that people can better hide their identities. I fully accept that some may need them for medical reasons. I am so happy to be fully engaging with people again. Did you hear the story on the news last week about the young boy that encountered his teacher outside of the masked school setting? She had no idea who he was. We can relate and connect with people better when we can see our expressive faces.
A way masks are not a positive for me - I've long suspected I do a little lip reading - it is harder for me to understand people with certain accents when we are on the phone vs speaking in person where I can see them. (Interestingly, after spending a long time working with people from India I apparently adjusted to that accent and stopped having a problem understanding them over the phone.)
So I have a harder time understanding people with accents when they are masked. I notice I look at masks when people are talking, which is not very helpful
This is me! I suspected hearing issues with certain tones, and I do so much better with movies when there are subtitles (I blamed my ADHD for that one), but I, too, find myself staring at masks when people talk 😬 and frequent repeating is sometimes necessary... throw in a plexiglass barrier with background music and other ambient room noises and there are times I am sure we are both beyond frustrated... I can’t imagine behind behind one and having to do it all day, I would be exhausted!
I have been tested for hearing loss and mechanically my hearing is near perfect. I still struggle to hear people in masks. Even over the phone! It is the muffling affect I assume plus I think I have an auditory processing difficulty on my end.
Yes, my hearing has been tested many times over the years and it is fine.
I also think I have an auditory processing difficulty, but that came from my inability to filter out background noises and the way a situation like a crowded restaurant is almost tortuous for me. The neurology department at the VA was completely unable to help me with this.5 -
Its possible some of us use visual clues when hearing someone talk. Possibly not lipreading as such but we've been used to seeing others faces.5
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Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.10 -
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/chinese-city-locks-down-neighbourhood-amid-virus-surge-1134616.html
I hope the USA is not over relaxing. This thing is still a world wide concern.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.
Same here. Trader Joe’s and Target say masks not required for fully vaccinated customers. Yet unmasked adults with unmasked children under teenage years...You may be fully vaccinated but your 4& 9 yo are definitely not bc that’s not possible at this point. So they *should* still be wearing masks. Saw a ton of that at Target the other day. TJ’a was more 50-50 on masks/unmasked.2 -
gradchica27 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.
Same here. Trader Joe’s and Target say masks not required for fully vaccinated customers. Yet unmasked adults with unmasked children under teenage years...You may be fully vaccinated but your 4& 9 yo are definitely not bc that’s not possible at this point. So they *should* still be wearing masks. Saw a ton of that at Target the other day. TJ’a was more 50-50 on masks/unmasked.
I was wondering. I just visited a Target in Spokane, WA today. No signs, but noticed a lot of people without masks, including a lot of employees. So I figured they weren't requiring masks for vaccinated people, but wish they had a sign.0 -
Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.35 -
@MikePfirrman
Sorry that you had to deal with this problem Mike, and congrats for keeping your cool as much as possible while being assertive. You were a better person than me (and I am an old petite lady). I, and probably the jerk too, would have been in the local news reported from the hospital or local jail.
And I think that the person that disagree with your comment was either the jerk or somebody closed related to him. Most likely that person will strike mine too.
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@MikePfirrman I'm sorry some people are such a-holes. It was none of his business why you wear a mask. I bet he's the type to rant about his rights and freedoms and then bully others for exercising their own. Kinda hypocritical right?
I'd have been pissed all day after being verbally attacked by a random stranger while minding my own business. It feels like a violation. So I think your feelings are completely valid. I wish people would just be civil to one another.
Next time maybe don't fall into the confrontation trap - if anyone comes with that crap I don't even want to deal with it. I'll just say I've had a transplant and my medical team requires me to wear a mask. (My nephew had one, so I know this is a legit excuse.) There's no reasoning with a-holes so anything to shut them up and get them out of my face.8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Now that I am fully vaccinated, I no longer wear a mask if it isn't required. Wal-Mart and Dollar General are not requiring masks of vaccinated customers, though I know this will be abused by anti-vaxxers. To be fair, they never really enforced masks anyway. But now I am protected and my mask doesn't do much to protect me anyway.
I still wear a mask if required, which includes my workplace. This weekend, I am flying and am wearing a KN95 at airports and on the planes since I still have a few and I consider planes an especially high risk with new strains. If I didn't happen to have some KN95 masks left, I probably would just wear a regular cloth mask.
Sorry but I don't know too much about the issue of getting the virus since we don't have it here in my region of North Queensland. Why are you not wearing a mask if not required? There is still a lot of people there with the virus and even if you are vaccinated you can get it. Sorry just trying to get my head around it all. I'd still be careful.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.
I agreed with you, but I do think some of the reaction on this thread is based on where people live. Where I live, no one would get hassled for wearing a mask and in some cases (less now, much more in the past) you would be hassled for not wearing one, even outdoors. From what I've read, in some cities (largely in the NE or DC) you can get hassled even now, even if complying with signs that say vaccinated don't have to mask. I've heard from friends who (even here) fear they would be hassled for acting consistently with laws/rules that say that not being masked indoors if vaccinated. And there has been a lot of shaming of people who ignore more stringent earlier rules re masking outdoors or so on despite more relaxed rules now on NextDoor (and I have friends shocked that I don't believe sanitizing every surface is needed, including my keys, when I think that's actually consistent with more recent research -- and I don't tell others what to do ever but just say what I do when asked).
So yeah, I think people who are anti mask may be jerks in some places, but I also think in other places some may be continuing to be (in a non scientific way) super judgy of those not wearing masks, and I definitely see that on social media. I think people are reacting due to the polarization and shaming.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry I haven't been on lately. Just thought I'd share what happened to me today.
I go to a very busy chiropractic chain. It opens at 10 AM and you don't have appointments, so it's first come, first serve. I can have 10 in line within the first five minutes of opening, so I normally get there early.
I've been wearing my mask, even though I'm fully vaccinated. I got there today and I was fourth in line. One lady was first, she was off to the left. Then there was a couple in front of me. I'd guess in their 30's or early 40s.
I'm waiting, in line, for it to open up. As I'm standing there, looking at my phone, I can feel the guy in front of me looking at me, then I start to hear him chirping up to his girlfriend or wife. You can hear, "sheep", "Fauci", you know the typical things of people that are anti-mask. It doesn't bother that much, to be honest.
But then things changed. He starts speaking up and raising his voice at me, "hey you...". After three times, I turn around and it's obvious he's talking to me. So I say, "me?". "Yeah, you", he says. "You vaccinated?", he asks. I say, yeah, yeah I am. "Then why you wearing a mask, because Fauci told you to?".
You have to understand, I'm normally a calm person, but I grew up in the semi hood. I'm starting to get very ticked off at this point. So I said something to the extent of "it's my right to wear a mask". He continues on me. The other people in line start to talk to him to. They are not happy either. He continues on me until, unfortunately, I tell him, "same as your right to be a douch-b". Then he tries to say I was too close to his girlfriend in line. Which wasn't true, but at this point, it's clear he's just trying to pick a fight. I also said it's none of his flippin business why I wear a mask.
At this point, before things escalate, I tapped on the door and asked to be let in because I was being harrassed for wearing a mask.
I still let the other three go ahead of me when they opened. I know the desk people and the chiropractors and they were not happy either that I was harrassed. I remained calm for me.
My wife wasn't happy that I said anything. She's always worried some loose cannon will pull a gun on you. IDK, I was boiling mad for hours.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with someone like that. Just remember they can't help it. They are dumb. stupid and can't help being that way.4 -
...So yeah, I think people who are anti mask may be jerks in some places, but I also think in other places some may be continuing to be (in a non scientific way) super judgy of those not wearing masks, and I definitely see that on social media. I think people are reacting due to the polarization and shaming.
Personally, I could care less if someone is thinking bad thoughts about me, being super judgy or even giving me dirty looks. What's not OK is total strangers aggressively confronting one another, making verbal attacks and invading their personal space in potentially physically threatening ways. They need to keep their ugly thoughts to themselves and be civil in public. I make judgments about others myself, but I keep those thoughts to myself where they belong, and I'm still polite and respectful.
ETA: I think there's a big difference between social media interactions and a real-world confrontation when you are out and about in public. But yes, we need more civility in general in both venues.12
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