Hacks for easy calorie counting
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and some people are always punctual even though they do not wear a watch
Time does not change but there are people who have other methods of controlling their arrival at places than the watch wearing method.
It doesnt mean they don't care about punctuality or don't believe in the concept of time just because they do not use the same method.
I think?
is a very convoluted analogy.
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wilson10102018 wrote: »I love the analogies. They are so wrong it is hilarious. Here is one. You accept the science that the Earth rotates and the Sun illuminates the Earth in a 24 hour cycle. The human response to this is called the circadian rhythm. You have a brand new Apple Watch that reflects that. However, you do not look at the watch but go to work when you feel like it and sleep at different times each day. Everything is working great. You got a raise and a promotion. But, are you operating on the circadian rhythm. I don't think so.
Yes, you would absolutely be operating on the circadian rhythm. Waking up when the sun rises (or some consistent amount of time before or after) seems much like operating on the circadian rhythm than setting an alarm on a watch that ... what? Is using some generalized formula for human circadian rhythms? Is sampling your pulse and temperature throughout the day to try to figure out your personal circadian rhythm?1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I think it's easier to log foods found in the USDA database in the "SR Legacy Foods" tab, which are primarily whole foods.
Unfortunately, the green check marks in the MFP database are used for both USER-created entries and ADMIN-created entries that MFP pulled from the USDA database. A green check mark for USER-created entries just means enough people have upvoted the entry - it is not necessarily correct.
To find ADMIN entries for whole foods, I get the syntax from the USDA database and paste that into MFP.
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov
The USDA changed the platform for their database in 2019 and it is unfortunately a little more difficult to use. I use the “SR Legacy” tab - that seems to be what MFP used to pull in entries.
Note: any MFP entry that includes "USDA" was USER entered.
For packaged foods, I verify the label against what I find in MFP. (Alas, you cannot just scan with your phone and assume what you get is correct.)
Here I am complaining about how the usual way is too much work and you go ahead make the hard way look easy
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penguinmama87 wrote: »Any change will have some kind of adjustment period, and it will be uncomfortable because it's new. I think accepting that at the outset helps the mental game a little. It feels hard because it is hard, not because you're doing it wrong. (Mitigation strategies can still be worth it, but any habit change requires effort, especially at the outset.)
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I just have to accept it's going to be more work. I do use a scale and I've tried pre-logging in the past. It's the measuring itself that I find cumbersome.4 -
wunderkindking wrote: »I'll let you in on a little secret.
Calories - input and output - are always estimates.
Being consistent in counting matters more than being precise. Precision can definitely matter, but I don't use a scale at all, use cups and spoons to keep my portions in check and do some guesstimates where I make sure I take a higher rather than lower entry.
It's been a year. I'm a healthy BMI. I started as obese. It's fine.
So, that's my hack. I don't worry about being precise at all. I just log and let the over and under estimates average themselves out over time.
I do try to be very precise. Maybe I should loosen up a bit. Thanks.0 -
jennypapage wrote: »i keep my meals quite similar so all the items i use stay on my recent list. i also keep breakfast the same until i finish the package of whatever i am eating.so if i buy one type of bread at one week,and eat it with a slice of cheese, i will eat this as breakfast until the cheese package is empty and the bread is over. Then i will pick something else to eat for a while (like a different type of bread with jam) and i will eat this as well until they're both over.Then switch again.
I've kept my meals similar as well but I didn't rotate very often. That's probably part of the problem - my food gets more monotonous when I'm counting calories.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »There is a trick I use when I'm not tracking nutrients precisely. For dishes that have many similar ingredients and are not in my recipe database, I sometimes log a group of them as one ingredient. For a salad, I'll log any fats or proteins separately, then log all the vegetables as the highest calorie vegetable in that salad. I just weigh all the vegetables and log them as "tomatoes", for example. Same for dishes that have one prominent ingredient and many lower calorie ingredients. I log a vegetable pilaf as "rice" (plus any fats and proteins).
Now that's a hack worth adopting.0 -
I think that not ever eating things you can't accurately count is one foot on a slippery slope to dysfunction: For example, I've seen people here say they're completely unwilling to have dinner at a friend's house, or go to a party with food, or eat in a non-chain restaurant. I wouldn't be willing to live that way, personally, at least not for long. IMO, calorie counting accurately enough somehow needs to be compatible with a well-rounded life, including social eating. Just my opinion, though.
Yup, that was exactly my mentality. I didn't go as far as not having dinner at a friend's house but I would avoid eating things I liked or cooking the way I like if I couldn't accurately count it. Or I'd eat it and then think "well, my calorie count is all messed up for the day, I might as well not log until tomorrow".1 -
coderdan82 wrote: »I think that not ever eating things you can't accurately count is one foot on a slippery slope to dysfunction: For example, I've seen people here say they're completely unwilling to have dinner at a friend's house, or go to a party with food, or eat in a non-chain restaurant. I wouldn't be willing to live that way, personally, at least not for long. IMO, calorie counting accurately enough somehow needs to be compatible with a well-rounded life, including social eating. Just my opinion, though.
Yup, that was exactly my mentality. I didn't go as far as not having dinner at a friend's house but I would avoid eating things I liked or cooking the way I like if I couldn't accurately count it. Or I'd eat it and then think "well, my calorie count is all messed up for the day, I might as well not log until tomorrow".
I think that it's important to remember that, quite aside from the fact that the calories out portion of what you are given for exercise, or life at your age/gender/size are statistical averages--
When you are actively losing, your deficit is a cushion against 'error' and 'I can't log this' or whatever.
Even if your loss is set to only half a pound a week you would have to be off by 1700 calories over the course of a week to even be out of a deficit. You would have to be off by your base calories, 1700 calories a week, AND ANOTHER 3500 calories to gain a single pound.
I am actually all about people using a scale and going for all the precision if they feel it helps them and they're comfortable with it. I accept that some people are not okay estimating as much as I do and some people estimate more.
But I think in all cases knowing the rough math for how far off you would have to be to even stall your loss - never mind gain - is pretty powerful stuff. Yes, logging errors stall people, sometimes. Yes, if you get too inattentive portion creep can be a thing. But. It's never going to be the result of one meal, or one day, or in most cases even a week. It's the cumulative effect of a pattern of being off in similar ways, regularly, over a period of time.3 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »... A person who wants to lose weight and chooses CICO as the science to believe in, has one choice - count calories. Having said that, avoiding the calorie counting process is just another form of denial or aversion....
If you don't want to count calories you either don't really want to lose or you don't really believe the science.
Dude you are missing a very important fact. ALL weight loss diets are CICO!
If I "choose CICO as the science to believe in," and then I decide to Water Fast 3 days a week in order to create my calorie deficit, then I am in fact participating in CICO science, at the same time as not counting anything. I am taking in less calories than I am exerting (i.e. CICO - FACT!), no counting.
You are personally defining CICO as - specifically the act of counting calories.
But all CICO is, is acknowledging that calories in, must be less, than calories out (i.e. Calories In - Calories Out).
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My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.0
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wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.5 -
goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?0 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
*sigh* Are you doing this intentionally?
The science of CICO is true for everyone. Loss= eat less than you burn, gain = eat more than you burn, maintain = eat the same as you burn.
How a person gets there is a completely different thing. CICO will always be there if you log your foods or just eat to satisfaction or eat exactly what you're told to eat.5 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
*sigh* Are you doing this intentionally?
The science of CICO is true for everyone. Loss= eat less than you burn, gain = eat more than you burn, maintain = eat the same as you burn.
How a person gets there is a completely different thing. CICO will always be there if you log your foods or just eat to satisfaction or eat exactly what you're told to eat.
His issue is with the strategy people choose, not CICO itself.
He believes that if people believe in CICO as the determinant of weight loss, the only possible strategy can be calorie counting or they don't 'really' want to lose weight. At this point, after several replies to the contrary (from me and others) I believe further discussions are pointless 😛8 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
*sigh* Are you doing this intentionally?
The science of CICO is true for everyone. Loss= eat less than you burn, gain = eat more than you burn, maintain = eat the same as you burn.
How a person gets there is a completely different thing. CICO will always be there if you log your foods or just eat to satisfaction or eat exactly what you're told to eat.
His issue is with the strategy people choose, not CICO itself.
He believes that if people believe in CICO as the determinant of weight loss, the only possible strategy can be calorie counting or they don't 'really' want to lose weight. At this point, after several replies to the contrary (from me and others) I believe further discussions are pointless 😛
LOL yeah. That's why I pointed all that out. Maybe badly?:)1 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?
Is the point you are trying to make that you think that "being aware foods have calories" is the same as counting calories?0 -
I like to measure everything for one big meal then make it a recipe on the app and divide it by 4 to give me 4 lunch meals for the week. Each meal may be slightly larger or smaller macro wise each day, but at the end of the week it equals the recipe total macros. For example my favorite easy meal to make is kimchi fried rice, so I will measure every component of the dish prior to cooking it such as 2 cups of rice, kimchi, veggies (I used a lot), tablespoon of oil, spices/ginger/garlic cloves, and the sauce I make. Instead of figuring out exactly how much is a serving I just use a spatula to cut the evenly spread rice into 4 servings and fill my bowls. I usually top them with fried eggs or tofu which I add separately and do not include it in the recipe (they are their own recipes).
On weekdays I skip making breakfast and I usually eat a Chobani less sugar greek yogurt, a prepackaged serving of raw nuts, coffee and a serving of fruit. Or if I crave hot breakfast I take two slices of Dave's killer bread, fry two eggs with about 1/4th tsp of olive oil, and add a slice of cheese and lots of pepper. I always stick to the same brands and types as well so I can just search my frequents. My snacks consist of about 5 things, such as: cheese sticks, fruit, nuts, raw crunchy veggies, and yasso bars so they are really easy to search and log throughout the day. I always keep them stocked and listen to my body, only eating a snack if I am actually hungry between meals. I love dark chocolate so I also keep them stocked and on the frequent list since I have green tea and a 86% chocolate square about every other day as a dessert. I guess for me, this is easy... but probably confusing to others. I believe it's a lot easier to count macros once you form habits that are right for your life and needs. Prepackaged healthy snacks (greek yogurt/apples/nuts/cheese) have made it so much easier for me especially when I am feeling lazy.
Another thing, I have not weighed food once during my weight loss journey. I feel my measuring cups and spoons do just fine since I lost 30lbs last year doing so. Right now I am trying to get even more thin but I want to do so in a way that is sustainable for me. If I were to start weighing food now I doubt I will stick to it once I reach my goal weight. The way I eat now I can see myself continuing as I love the foods already and don't feel deprived.1 -
MercuryForce wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?
Is the point you are trying to make that you think that "being aware foods have calories" is the same as counting calories?
But it isnt.
One can be perfectly aware that foods have calories and one needs to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight- and then create that deficit by some means other than counting calories.
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sweetsiepop wrote: »I like to measure everything for one big meal then make it a recipe on the app and divide it by 4 to give me 4 lunch meals for the week. Each meal may be slightly larger or smaller macro wise each day, but at the end of the week it equals the recipe total macros.
I do the same with things like egg or tuna salad, chili, meatloaf, meatballs, pasta and taco components since I'll usually eat those things over several days.
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paperpudding wrote: »MercuryForce wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?
Is the point you are trying to make that you think that "being aware foods have calories" is the same as counting calories?
But it isnt.
One can be perfectly aware that foods have calories and one needs to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight- and then create that deficit by some means other than counting calories.
So? That's still "following the science" of CICO. Because again, CICO is an immutable fact of biology and physics and not a diet.0 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
No, that is literally the opposite of the point made..
I got nothin'..At this point, after several replies to the contrary (from me and others) I believe further discussions are pointless 😛
Uh, yeah...
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ChaoticMoira wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
No, that is literally the opposite of the point made..
I got nothin'..At this point, after several replies to the contrary (from me and others) I believe further discussions are pointless 😛
Uh, yeah...
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goal06082021 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »MercuryForce wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?
Is the point you are trying to make that you think that "being aware foods have calories" is the same as counting calories?
But it isnt.
One can be perfectly aware that foods have calories and one needs to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight- and then create that deficit by some means other than counting calories.
So? That's still "following the science" of CICO. Because again, CICO is an immutable fact of biology and physics and not a diet.
well, yes of course it is - that was my point.
Being aware of calories and calorie counting is not the same thing.
anyway I concur with other posters - this derail has run its course .
Lets get back to hacks for making calorie counting easier - one tip or hack I have found useful for recipes is marking the bottom of your slow cooker pot or whatever with its empty weight
Then you dont end up in awkward position of knowing to weigh the lot minus weight of pot - but you don't know what weight of pot is
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I find weighing tedious when cooking. So one thing I do is weigh all my meats into individual portions as soon as I bring it home. Then when I am cooking I know what I am putting into a given dish by pulling out as many portions as I need. For instance, my portions on chicken breasts are always 4oz, so I cut and weigh them when I come home from the store, then throw them in the fridge, or freezer. Sometimes I only need a single serving, sometimes I make a few meals at once; but it is quick to just grab what I need.2
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wilson10102018 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?
This is the reverse of what you were arguing before. Before you were saying that someone who says they do believe in CICO doesn't count calories, they're not "doing CICO." Now you're talking about someone who is a CICO denier.0 -
ChaoticMoira wrote: »I find weighing tedious when cooking. So one thing I do is weigh all my meats into individual portions as soon as I bring it home. Then when I am cooking I know what I am putting into a given dish by pulling out as many portions as I need. For instance, my portions on chicken breasts are always 4oz, so I cut and weigh them when I come home from the store, then throw them in the fridge, or freezer. Sometimes I only need a single serving, sometimes I make a few meals at once; but it is quick to just grab what I need.
That's interesting. It's the same amount of work but somehow mentally it's less annoying when you weigh it before putting it in the fridge/freezer.0 -
coderdan82 wrote: »ChaoticMoira wrote: »I find weighing tedious when cooking. So one thing I do is weigh all my meats into individual portions as soon as I bring it home. Then when I am cooking I know what I am putting into a given dish by pulling out as many portions as I need. For instance, my portions on chicken breasts are always 4oz, so I cut and weigh them when I come home from the store, then throw them in the fridge, or freezer. Sometimes I only need a single serving, sometimes I make a few meals at once; but it is quick to just grab what I need.
That's interesting. It's the same amount of work but somehow mentally it's less annoying when you weigh it before putting it in the fridge/freezer.
We buy our hamburger at a restaurant supply store. It’s much less expensive. But it also means 20 or 40 pounds of hamburger to package into individual bags when we get home.
Basically, I completely endorse @ChaoticMoria’s tip. Just at a batch cooking level.
This also helps my partner not cook too much, and he is the main household chef, so that’s important.2 -
coderdan82 wrote: »ChaoticMoira wrote: »I find weighing tedious when cooking. So one thing I do is weigh all my meats into individual portions as soon as I bring it home. Then when I am cooking I know what I am putting into a given dish by pulling out as many portions as I need. For instance, my portions on chicken breasts are always 4oz, so I cut and weigh them when I come home from the store, then throw them in the fridge, or freezer. Sometimes I only need a single serving, sometimes I make a few meals at once; but it is quick to just grab what I need.
That's interesting. It's the same amount of work but somehow mentally it's less annoying when you weigh it before putting it in the fridge/freezer.
I buy large batches of chicken too. I do find it easier to weigh them prior to putting them in the freezer. I normally just cut two chicken breasts in half, write the weight on the bag and then season them up. This is easier for me to do on the weekend when I have more time than weighing as much stuff throughout the week. When I have to do a mid week meal prep, it is one less thing I have to deal with. Each bag is 4 dishes for me.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »goal06082021 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »My point exactly. If you aren't counting calories you aren't following the science of CICO.
It's literally the opposite of your point though?
It is physically impossible to not "follow the science" of CICO, the same way it's not possible to "not follow the science" of gravity.
You're joking, right? If one jumps up and down and claims that they are not following the science of gravity, that is exactly the same as a person who fasts and binges and says they lost weight but are not following the science of CICO. If it doesn't come down to the calorie count for you, are you one of those metabolism acolytes or fasting persons who says the calorie count doesn't matter?
This is the reverse of what you were arguing before. Before you were saying that someone who says they do believe in CICO doesn't count calories, they're not "doing CICO." Now you're talking about someone who is a CICO denier.
Boy, are you confused. 0
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