Extreme obesity and paper plates. Question for people in the USA
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On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.6
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On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I have heard that before. I think it hinges on how much water is used?
If you’re washing dishes for a family, the dishwasher definitely is more environmentally efficient.1 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I have heard that before. I think it hinges on how much water is used?
If you’re washing dishes for a family, the dishwasher definitely is more environmentally efficient.
Well that’s a good thing, because we use a buttload more dishes since joining MFP. They ought to get Whirlpool to take’s place as principal sponsor lol.3 -
On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I heard this decades ago, before Google, and always wondered - how is the handwashing done? I'm very conscious of my water use, don't fill the sink, rinse one item over another, and don't let the water run unless I am actively using it to rinse.
ETA: many of the articles I've found reference using a 12 place setting. This may be the original study for that.
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/handwashing-vs-dishwashing.pdf
"Each place setting has 12 pieces of dishes including bowls, plates, cutlery, pots and pans. Thus a full load is 144 dishes."
Yeah, for 144 dishes I'd use the dishwasher too
Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I heard this decades ago, before Google, and always wondered - how is the handwashing done? I'm very conscious of my water use, don't fill the sink, rinse one item over another, and don't let the water run unless I am actively using it to rinse.
ETA: many of the articles I've found reference using a 12 place setting. This may be the original study for that.
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/handwashing-vs-dishwashing.pdf
"Each place setting has 12 pieces of dishes including bowls, plates, cutlery, pots and pans. Thus a full load is 144 dishes."
Yeah, for 144 dishes I'd use the dishwasher too
Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
I've found rinsing makes no difference whatsoever. I wipe food particles off, but don't pre-wash. For example, I'll brush off toast crumbs, but not scrub off the leftover egg yolk. It just goes right into the dishwasher. Even though I only run the dishwasher once every couple of weeks (usually when I'm out of silverware), I haven't ever had anything but clean dishes when they come out. Why even use a dishwasher if you're going to wash them before they go into the washer? I think it's a remnant from older dishwashers, maybe?
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kshama2001 wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I heard this decades ago, before Google, and always wondered - how is the handwashing done? I'm very conscious of my water use, don't fill the sink, rinse one item over another, and don't let the water run unless I am actively using it to rinse.
ETA: many of the articles I've found reference using a 12 place setting. This may be the original study for that.
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/handwashing-vs-dishwashing.pdf
"Each place setting has 12 pieces of dishes including bowls, plates, cutlery, pots and pans. Thus a full load is 144 dishes."
Yeah, for 144 dishes I'd use the dishwasher too
Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
I've found rinsing makes no difference whatsoever. I wipe food particles off, but don't pre-wash. For example, I'll brush off toast crumbs, but not scrub off the leftover egg yolk. It just goes right into the dishwasher. Even though I only run the dishwasher once every couple of weeks (usually when I'm out of silverware), I haven't ever had anything but clean dishes when they come out. Why even use a dishwasher if you're going to wash them before they go into the washer? I think it's a remnant from older dishwashers, maybe?
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That totally reminds me of when my mother would tell me to clean my room because the maid was coming and damned if that didn't translate to scrubbing dishes before loading them in the dishwasher when I used them more.
(Yes, I know MY privilege is showing now but I'm definitely not that kid anymore. 😀)2 -
The consumer group Which? has done some analysis (which is what the podcast references):kshama2001 wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I heard this decades ago, before Google, and always wondered - how is the handwashing done? I'm very conscious of my water use, don't fill the sink, rinse one item over another, and don't let the water run unless I am actively using it to rinse.
ETA: many of the articles I've found reference using a 12 place setting. This may be the original study for that.
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/handwashing-vs-dishwashing.pdf
"Each place setting has 12 pieces of dishes including bowls, plates, cutlery, pots and pans. Thus a full load is 144 dishes."
Yeah, for 144 dishes I'd use the dishwasher too
Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/09/which-research-reveals-how-little-water-dishwashers-use-compared-to-hand-washing/?source_code=911CRJ&gclid=CjwKCAjw4qCKBhAVEiwAkTYsPAlPDBpXHC-8Fpe6By9YWT6tigPrlad1-qJCJG7b1PRoKbjjd-GMtRoCX6gQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
But the jist is that for the same amount of dishes that would be one big load at the end of the day, you're looking at 2 to 3 "sink-fulls" of water depending on how grubby your pots/pans are and if you're rinsing/running your tap. With the average size of a sink (in the UK) you're looking at a higher usage of water for sinks than dishwashers.
Ignoring water, there's the consideration of how the water is heated. In the UK the majority of hot water from the tap is heated in natural gas boilers. In a dishwasher it's with electricity and thus has a (varying) percentage of renewable energy to power it.
It actually a really interesting question, and demonstrates how things that one would think are greener, are actually the less green option. (It reminds me of a lecture I attended once on how it could be greener to use a polystyrene cup rather than a paper cup as disposable cups for hot beverages. That was a seriously eye opening experience on how the perception of what is "green" is manipulated)
Also, I never rinse a plate or similar before going into the dishwasher, I have rarely had issues with stuff not coming out clean, and anything that hasn't, has never needed more than a wipe with a cloth.3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I heard this decades ago, before Google, and always wondered - how is the handwashing done? I'm very conscious of my water use, don't fill the sink, rinse one item over another, and don't let the water run unless I am actively using it to rinse.
ETA: many of the articles I've found reference using a 12 place setting. This may be the original study for that.
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/handwashing-vs-dishwashing.pdf
"Each place setting has 12 pieces of dishes including bowls, plates, cutlery, pots and pans. Thus a full load is 144 dishes."
Yeah, for 144 dishes I'd use the dishwasher too
Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
I've found rinsing makes no difference whatsoever. I wipe food particles off, but don't pre-wash. For example, I'll brush off toast crumbs, but not scrub off the leftover egg yolk. It just goes right into the dishwasher. Even though I only run the dishwasher once every couple of weeks (usually when I'm out of silverware), I haven't ever had anything but clean dishes when they come out. Why even use a dishwasher if you're going to wash them before they go into the washer? I think it's a remnant from older dishwashers, maybe?
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IMO older dishwashers were better at cleaning dishes - but they also used a lot more water, too. I have to do a lot more cleaning and maintenance of my new one - regularly cleaning out filters, etc. If I don't, that's when I start getting build up. My old one used a ton of water but it was almost as old as I was, and the only reason we got rid of it when it broke last was because it was impossible to find the parts we needed. Planned obsolescence is also something we have to contend with when we want to evaluate if something is "green" or not. If it's super efficient with water use, but it's not expected to last longer than ten years if you're lucky before it goes to the dump, was it really that green after all?
When it comes down to it, the only person's behavior I can reasonably evaluate is my own, and I got a lot to work on. Offering encouragement is all well and good, and if someone asked me, "hey, how come you put less trash out every week even though you have more than twice as many people living in your house?" I'd be happy to talk about why. But it's taken me years to learn some of this stuff and frankly it's kind of a fun hobby and game to me. Everybody starts somewhere, just like with weight loss.5 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I have heard that before. I think it hinges on how much water is used?
If you’re washing dishes for a family, the dishwasher definitely is more environmentally efficient.
There are PSAs locally that emphasize even for singles, it is better to use the dishwasher. (They use a double entendre, e.g., "I live alone and I 'do it' every night.")
But I don't think those figures take into account the environmental costs of producing a new dishwasher in the first place, so until I see those figures (and a dishwasher that will fit in my tiny kitchen), I'm going to stick with hand-washing.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I heard this decades ago, before Google, and always wondered - how is the handwashing done? I'm very conscious of my water use, don't fill the sink, rinse one item over another, and don't let the water run unless I am actively using it to rinse.
ETA: many of the articles I've found reference using a 12 place setting. This may be the original study for that.
https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/handwashing-vs-dishwashing.pdf
"Each place setting has 12 pieces of dishes including bowls, plates, cutlery, pots and pans. Thus a full load is 144 dishes."
Yeah, for 144 dishes I'd use the dishwasher too
Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
I've found rinsing makes no difference whatsoever. I wipe food particles off, but don't pre-wash. For example, I'll brush off toast crumbs, but not scrub off the leftover egg yolk. It just goes right into the dishwasher. Even though I only run the dishwasher once every couple of weeks (usually when I'm out of silverware), I haven't ever had anything but clean dishes when they come out. Why even use a dishwasher if you're going to wash them before they go into the washer? I think it's a remnant from older dishwashers, maybe?
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Ha! It was egg yolk that had my sister incensed. Apparently her dishwasher did not take care of it. No idea how old it was, but it did not look cheap. (She had to replace it this summer.)
And yes, I saw no reason to get dishes 99% clean and then have to listen to a dishwasher for an hour while it got the remaining 1%. (The dishwasher is not especially noisy, but I am sensitive to sounds and find them very distracting.)3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
* raises hand* Meeee! The only things I'll rinse off before putting in the dishwasher are eggs and oatmeal. I run it slightly less often than once a week and everything but those two things come off just fine.
The manual that came with it actually says not to rinse dishes beforehand.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
* raises hand* Meeee! The only things I'll rinse off before putting in the dishwasher are eggs and oatmeal. I run it slightly less often than once a week and everything but those two things come off just fine.
The manual that came with it actually says not to rinse dishes beforehand.
Me too! No rinsing here and no issues.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I have heard that before. I think it hinges on how much water is used?
If you’re washing dishes for a family, the dishwasher definitely is more environmentally efficient.
There are PSAs locally that emphasize even for singles, it is better to use the dishwasher. (They use a double entendre, e.g., "I live alone and I 'do it' every night.")
Those aren't PSAs, they're commercials for Cascade dishwasher detergent 😂 Of course they want you to use a dishwasher!4 -
As I said earlier, I love transformation stories. So the hook for me is watching these people living in hell on earth transform. Some don't though. They are deep in denial and victimhood. Sometimes there is drug use.
On all the shows I've watched, there was some sort of childhood abuse - emotional, physical, and/or sexual. I root for them and am delighted when they succeed and sad when they fail. Everyone goes through some sort of denial where they tell the doctor they are following the diet and eating 1200 calories per day, but the scale shows that they are not. Most of them break through this point and go on to succeed.
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Thank you for posting this. I have always felt a bit uncomfortable watching My 600lb Life because of the extreme situation and the struggles they go through. Some of it feels intrusive, for instance, the shower scene at the start. I am very conscious that the programme may be edited to make them and/or their family look bad. That doesn't make me switch off because I like to see the transformation and people beating the odds
Some do amazingly well, although sadly some are not able to make the changes necessary0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »MargaretYakoda wrote: »On a semi related subject to the discussion. Has anyone else listened to (and been surprised) by the segment on the podcast "More or Less" (ep. Death, Tax and Dishwashers), where they compare the environmental impact of handwashing vs using a dishwasher and came to the conclusion that using a dishwasher had a lower environmental impact than hand washing your dishes.
I have heard that before. I think it hinges on how much water is used?
If you’re washing dishes for a family, the dishwasher definitely is more environmentally efficient.
There are PSAs locally that emphasize even for singles, it is better to use the dishwasher. (They use a double entendre, e.g., "I live alone and I 'do it' every night.")
Those aren't PSAs, they're commercials for Cascade dishwasher detergent 😂 Of course they want you to use a dishwasher!
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Not a very good commercial if it doesn't make me remember the product, is it? 2 -
I watch 600 lb. life, and I think it is simply convenience. The 600 lb. person isn't going to do the dishes, but most of those around them, are enablers, who simply use them, and don't do much themselves. It's rare to see someone live with another working person, or to have them working themselves.
For most people, paper plates are for picnics, where you don't want to have to clean up after a long day, or have far more attending than you have settings for. Even when I was in my 20's, and working 84 hours a week, and going to the bar most nights, I had normal plates, and metal cutlery, as well as glass bowls and cups.
If I was in charge of a picnic for a lot of people, I would have to go buy paper plates/cups, and plastic cutlery.
I don't think My 600 lb. life shows the typical life of an American.. 5 -
I think it's because these very large individuals on 600 lb life don't want to or can't stand up to do the dishes, in addition to getting delivery/takeout food rather than cooking at home. I would only buy paper plates if I were hosting a large party or going to an outdoor picnic/bbq.1
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kshama2001 wrote: »Also, everything I've read says for the dishwasher to be more water efficient, don't rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I don't know anyone who doesn't rinse first. Back when we still used the dishwasher, I attempted to not rinse first, and my partner scolded me, lol. My sister scolds her husband when he doesn't rinse first.
* raises hand* Meeee! The only things I'll rinse off before putting in the dishwasher are eggs and oatmeal. I run it slightly less often than once a week and everything but those two things come off just fine.
The manual that came with it actually says not to rinse dishes beforehand.
I rise most stuff before putting in dishwasher because if you don't and it isn't run fir 2-3 days starts to smell like *kitten*.2 -
I don't normally have paper plates on hand, but I oftentimes use paper towels as a "plate" for something like a non-messy sandwich, or facial tissue for snacks like cookies. Shake off the crumbs and they're good to use for their original purpose.4
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Fatgonegirl wrote: »Sorry if this is not the correct board.
I watch My 600lb Life - I know I should be ashamed but I find it entertaining. One thing that puzzles me is the number of people shown eating from paper plates using plastic knives and forks. It is not everyone but it is fairly frequent. Is this a common practice in the USA?
In England, disposable crockery and cutlery are only used at gatherings where the host does not have sufficient pottery plates and metal cutlery or for children's parties as a novelty. Possibly the participants on the show are not fit enough to fill the dishwasher or wash up by hand. However, they often have family members who could undertake the task.
Is paper plate use linked to eating junk food or is it a common practice across the general population?
I have relatives who live in Texas and use paper plates and plastic cutlery. Heck even paper coffee cups. We visited once and I had fun commenting that I would do the dishes for them.
For them I guess it's convenience? They order take out, they use disposable dishes cause it's just easier.
I'm Canadian and all the Canadian side of the family think this is strange6 -
It seems many of the people on 600 pound life don’t have their meals at the table either. A lot of eating in bed or the living room, maybe mostly because of mobility issues, for the morbidly obese person. Many eat this way as a family. We always sit down to meals at the table, and use washable utensils/plates/pots/pans. I don’t think using paper plates is something most people in the US do, on a regular basis, at least the people that I know well enough to know their eating habits don’t 🤷🏻♀️2
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