Exipure

Even prescription drugs developed by pharmaceutical companies that dump billions into making them don't work.

What makes you think a supplement made by a company that has no regulations will magically work better?

Also, look into contamination of supplements. You can't even trust that what they say is in them is even what's in them.

Workout supplements have been known to have meth in them. So yeah. I'm sure they work! You just don't necessarily want them to.

I used to work for a company that basically made every weight loss supplement recommended by Dr. Oz. We all had unlimited access to product. Could you tell? No.

Waste of money.

How would a blend of exotic plants and nutrients do anything for weight loss?

There are some medications that help some people - but they have a mechanism by which they do so - eg reduce appetite, reduce fat absorption, increase renal glucose output etc

NOTE - I'm not saying these are worth buying either - just that they do have a method of working

Exipure claims: excessive weight gain is caused by a lack of brown adipose tissue (BAT). Low brown adipose tissue (BAT) levels are the focus of these natural medicines, which aim to break down stored fat and aid weight loss without causing side effects.

Seriously?? Who would believe that??

A nutrient supplement might give you added vitamins - but that's all.

Xellercin wrote: »

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

Even prescription drugs developed by pharmaceutical companies that dump billions into making them don't work.

What makes you think a supplement made by a company that has no regulations will magically work better?

Also, look into contamination of supplements. You can't even trust that what they say is in them is even what's in them.

Workout supplements have been known to have meth in them. So yeah. I'm sure they work! You just don't necessarily want them to.

Known to have meth in them? I'd have to see evidence of that. Seems like a rather extreme claim. Yes, supplements are not regulated like medications, but that by no means says they can be laced with illegal drugs. Sure, make sure you don't purchase from sketchy sources, just like anything.

It's not hard to find this information. It's a well known fact that supplements are often found to have severe contamination.

How do you define a "sketchy" source? How do you define a "safe" source?

Most supplement companies have very questionable supply chains, and because they are unregulated, they can have their products made from literally anywhere.

Supplements are rarely tested, so it's horrifying that when they are, it's not unusual for the testers to find black market drugs in them, like synthesizes hormones in "herbal" supplements for men and women, Chinese basement lab versions of Viagra, Propecia, various amphetamines.

Not to mention the myriad unintentional contaminants.

But why listen to me? I'm only someone who has been hired by small health supplement companies to help them navigate what they can legally have on their labels in terms of safety claims. What do I know?

ETA: a quick Google tells me that not one, but two supplements that claimed to be "all natural" were tested and found to contain meth/meth-like drugs in them.

And not just meth, but an unknown synthetic meth that they don't even know how it affects organs.

No offense, but I really doubt you are. And even if you are, that doesn't mean you know anything about the ingredients put into them. That's called an appeal to authority fallacy, and in no ways proves your point. Also, you made the claim, it's on you to provide the evidence, not the other way around. But I do agree with the basic concept that supplements are not always safe.

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

Even prescription drugs developed by pharmaceutical companies that dump billions into making them don't work.

What makes you think a supplement made by a company that has no regulations will magically work better?

Also, look into contamination of supplements. You can't even trust that what they say is in them is even what's in them.

Workout supplements have been known to have meth in them. So yeah. I'm sure they work! You just don't necessarily want them to.

Known to have meth in them? I'd have to see evidence of that. Seems like a rather extreme claim. Yes, supplements are not regulated like medications, but that by no means says they can be laced with illegal drugs. Sure, make sure you don't purchase from sketchy sources, just like anything.

It's not hard to find this information. It's a well known fact that supplements are often found to have severe contamination.

How do you define a "sketchy" source? How do you define a "safe" source?

Most supplement companies have very questionable supply chains, and because they are unregulated, they can have their products made from literally anywhere.

Supplements are rarely tested, so it's horrifying that when they are, it's not unusual for the testers to find black market drugs in them, like synthesizes hormones in "herbal" supplements for men and women, Chinese basement lab versions of Viagra, Propecia, various amphetamines.

Not to mention the myriad unintentional contaminants.

But why listen to me? I'm only someone who has been hired by small health supplement companies to help them navigate what they can legally have on their labels in terms of safety claims. What do I know?

ETA: a quick Google tells me that not one, but two supplements that claimed to be "all natural" were tested and found to contain meth/meth-like drugs in them.

And not just meth, but an unknown synthetic meth that they don't even know how it affects organs.

No offense, but I really doubt you are. And even if you are, that doesn't mean you know anything about the ingredients put into them. That's called an appeal to authority fallacy, and in no ways proves your point. Also, you made the claim, it's on you to provide the evidence, not the other way around. But I do agree with the basic concept that supplements are not always safe.

Are you in the US? It's common knowledge that supplements are very lightly regulated, if at all, and that finding terrible things in them is a recurring event. Sometimes, they're contaminants, not intended to be present, but there through inadequate care in sourcing/manufacturing. Sometimes, they're put there quite deliberately, because dangerous substances can be "effective" in some other sense.

Sure, many/most supplements are made by reputable firms, with good manufacturing practices, because some people have ethics. With profit in the picture, sadly some lack such ethics.

When it comes to the meth issue, here's one example:

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/dta.1578

Here's a popular press article about that incident a few years back, with some context about the supplement's producer and the overall supplement market.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/2013/10/15/methamphetamine-found-in-supplements/

Xellercin posts regularly around here, doesn't normally flag-wave about her credentials, but reading a number of her posts suggests to me that she has relevant expertise on topics like this. I can't prove it, of course; but I usually tend to assume people aren't lying when there's literally no evidence that they are. Most people here have jobs/professions; it's inevitable that some rare few will be medical professionals, scientists, exercise-science academics, dietitians, etc.

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

AnnPT77 wrote: »

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

Even prescription drugs developed by pharmaceutical companies that dump billions into making them don't work.

What makes you think a supplement made by a company that has no regulations will magically work better?

Also, look into contamination of supplements. You can't even trust that what they say is in them is even what's in them.

Workout supplements have been known to have meth in them. So yeah. I'm sure they work! You just don't necessarily want them to.

Known to have meth in them? I'd have to see evidence of that. Seems like a rather extreme claim. Yes, supplements are not regulated like medications, but that by no means says they can be laced with illegal drugs. Sure, make sure you don't purchase from sketchy sources, just like anything.

It's not hard to find this information. It's a well known fact that supplements are often found to have severe contamination.

How do you define a "sketchy" source? How do you define a "safe" source?

Most supplement companies have very questionable supply chains, and because they are unregulated, they can have their products made from literally anywhere.

Supplements are rarely tested, so it's horrifying that when they are, it's not unusual for the testers to find black market drugs in them, like synthesizes hormones in "herbal" supplements for men and women, Chinese basement lab versions of Viagra, Propecia, various amphetamines.

Not to mention the myriad unintentional contaminants.

But why listen to me? I'm only someone who has been hired by small health supplement companies to help them navigate what they can legally have on their labels in terms of safety claims. What do I know?

ETA: a quick Google tells me that not one, but two supplements that claimed to be "all natural" were tested and found to contain meth/meth-like drugs in them.

And not just meth, but an unknown synthetic meth that they don't even know how it affects organs.

No offense, but I really doubt you are. And even if you are, that doesn't mean you know anything about the ingredients put into them. That's called an appeal to authority fallacy, and in no ways proves your point. Also, you made the claim, it's on you to provide the evidence, not the other way around. But I do agree with the basic concept that supplements are not always safe.

Are you in the US? It's common knowledge that supplements are very lightly regulated, if at all, and that finding terrible things in them is a recurring event. Sometimes, they're contaminants, not intended to be present, but there through inadequate care in sourcing/manufacturing. Sometimes, they're put there quite deliberately, because dangerous substances can be "effective" in some other sense.

Sure, many/most supplements are made by reputable firms, with good manufacturing practices, because some people have ethics. With profit in the picture, sadly some lack such ethics.

When it comes to the meth issue, here's one example:

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/dta.1578

Here's a popular press article about that incident a few years back, with some context about the supplement's producer and the overall supplement market.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/2013/10/15/methamphetamine-found-in-supplements/

Xellercin posts regularly around here, doesn't normally flag-wave about her credentials, but reading a number of her posts suggests to me that she has relevant expertise on topics like this. I can't prove it, of course; but I usually tend to assume people aren't lying when there's literally no evidence that they are. Most people here have jobs/professions; it's inevitable that some rare few will be medical professionals, scientists, exercise-science academics, dietitians, etc.

According to the article, it was not meth. This is why I question things. I absolutely agree with the basic idea that supplements are not as heavily regulated as prescription medications. This goes for vitamins and all supplements.

It was a methamphetamine structural analog, an identified "designer drug" with unknown effects in humans, not approved for human consumption, and of sufficient concern that there was a strong warning about it in the paper, and an FDA warning issued to the company that created it. That company was run at the time by a guy who's been convicted in the past for putting literally toxic substances into supplements deliberately, and who had other felony charges pending against him at the time for similar alleged actions with other supplements. If you want to quibble that it wasn't exactly standard meth, you would be correct.

Sinisterbarbie1 wrote: »

These sorts of questions with screen shots of advertisements from people who never before posted and don’t post again, followed up by someone who personally attacks members who disagree with the value of the supplement and caution against its use strike me as an orchestrated campaign by a very lame PR company. I hope they see that instead of generating interest and positive buzz the results are instead lengthy posts explaining the questionable value and very high potential risk of unregulated, internet marketed supplements that promise weight loss benefits. Or maybe all attention is good attention, like with a toddler.

Of course if someone is looking for alternate sources of street drugs, MFP might be the new go to source for information

FWIW, I've seen user sollyn23l2 around here before, posting reasonable things. While I clearly disagree with her now in multiple respects, I think she's a legit regular MFP user, just one with different opinions with mine in this case.

If OP (with the low post count) is a marketer, I don't think that worked out favorably, given the weight of the replies so far. I suspect she's just a regular person, too . . . because I usually assume people are telling the truth unless there's a reasonable basis for believing otherwise. 🤷‍♀️

I get that on the internet, no one knows if you're a dog.



Credit, Peter Steiner in The New Yorker: A true classic cartoon.

AnnPT77 wrote: »

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

sollyn23l2 wrote: »

Xellercin wrote: »

Even prescription drugs developed by pharmaceutical companies that dump billions into making them don't work.

What makes you think a supplement made by a company that has no regulations will magically work better?

Also, look into contamination of supplements. You can't even trust that what they say is in them is even what's in them.

Workout supplements have been known to have meth in them. So yeah. I'm sure they work! You just don't necessarily want them to.

Known to have meth in them? I'd have to see evidence of that. Seems like a rather extreme claim. Yes, supplements are not regulated like medications, but that by no means says they can be laced with illegal drugs. Sure, make sure you don't purchase from sketchy sources, just like anything.

It's not hard to find this information. It's a well known fact that supplements are often found to have severe contamination.

How do you define a "sketchy" source? How do you define a "safe" source?

Most supplement companies have very questionable supply chains, and because they are unregulated, they can have their products made from literally anywhere.

Supplements are rarely tested, so it's horrifying that when they are, it's not unusual for the testers to find black market drugs in them, like synthesizes hormones in "herbal" supplements for men and women, Chinese basement lab versions of Viagra, Propecia, various amphetamines.

Not to mention the myriad unintentional contaminants.

But why listen to me? I'm only someone who has been hired by small health supplement companies to help them navigate what they can legally have on their labels in terms of safety claims. What do I know?

ETA: a quick Google tells me that not one, but two supplements that claimed to be "all natural" were tested and found to contain meth/meth-like drugs in them.

And not just meth, but an unknown synthetic meth that they don't even know how it affects organs.

No offense, but I really doubt you are. And even if you are, that doesn't mean you know anything about the ingredients put into them. That's called an appeal to authority fallacy, and in no ways proves your point. Also, you made the claim, it's on you to provide the evidence, not the other way around. But I do agree with the basic concept that supplements are not always safe.

Are you in the US? It's common knowledge that supplements are very lightly regulated, if at all, and that finding terrible things in them is a recurring event. Sometimes, they're contaminants, not intended to be present, but there through inadequate care in sourcing/manufacturing. Sometimes, they're put there quite deliberately, because dangerous substances can be "effective" in some other sense.

Sure, many/most supplements are made by reputable firms, with good manufacturing practices, because some people have ethics. With profit in the picture, sadly some lack such ethics.

When it comes to the meth issue, here's one example:

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/dta.1578

Here's a popular press article about that incident a few years back, with some context about the supplement's producer and the overall supplement market.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/2013/10/15/methamphetamine-found-in-supplements/

Xellercin posts regularly around here, doesn't normally flag-wave about her credentials, but reading a number of her posts suggests to me that she has relevant expertise on topics like this. I can't prove it, of course; but I usually tend to assume people aren't lying when there's literally no evidence that they are. Most people here have jobs/professions; it's inevitable that some rare few will be medical professionals, scientists, exercise-science academics, dietitians, etc.

I was kind of a dick in my responses, so I'm not surprised at pp's reaction to me, but I was in a bad mood and kind of perplexed because I thought it was such common knowledge that supplements have been found to have all sorts of garbage in them.

I also haven't posted for awhile and forget the culture of a given forum when I don't participate for a bit.

But yeah, my point was really that there's no reliable way to know, factually, that a supplement manufacturer is using safe supply chains.

I have a family member who owns a major "reputable" supplement company in the US. Has appeared on TV, podcasts, etc talking about the dangers of supply chains, promoting that their product is safe because XYZ. It's all very convincing, but guess what? They too get their product from China and the only reassurance consumers have that it's not contaminated is this person's assurance.

This is my own relative, who I like and respect, but I wouldn't count on their personal, self-interested assurances, and I wouldn't use their product, because I don't trust their supply chain, period.