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Tuesday an interesting study was published.


October 04, 2022

Eating Late Increases Hunger, Decreases Calories Burned, and Changes Fat Tissue


Obesity afflicts approximately 42 percent of the U.S. adult population and contributes to the onset of chronic diseases, including diabetes, cancer, and other conditions. While popular healthy diet mantras advise against midnight snacking, few studies have comprehensively investigated the simultaneous effects of late eating on the three main players in body weight regulation and thus obesity risk: regulation of calorie intake, the number of calories you burn, and molecular changes in fat tissue. A new study by investigators from Brigham and Women's Hospital, a founding member of the Mass General Brigham healthcare system, found that when we eat significantly impacts our energy expenditure, appetite, and molecular pathways in adipose tissue. Their results are published in Cell Metabolism.

"We wanted to test the mechanisms that may explain why late eating increases obesity risk," explained senior author Frank A. J. L. Scheer, PhD, Director of the Medical Chronobiology Program in the Brigham's Division of Sleep and Circadian Disorders. "Previous research by us and others had shown that late eating is associated with increased obesity risk, increased body fat, and impaired weight loss success. We wanted to understand why."

"In this study, we asked, 'Does the time that we eat matter when everything else is kept consistent?'" said first author Nina Vujovic, PhD, a researcher in the Medical Chronobiology Program in the Brigham's Division of Sleep and Circadian Disorders. "And we found that eating four hours later makes a significant difference for our hunger levels, the way we burn calories after we eat, and the way we store fat."

Vujovic, Scheer and their team studied 16 patients with a body mass index (BMI) in the overweight or obese range. Each participant completed two laboratory protocols: one with a strictly scheduled early meal schedule, and the other with the exact same meals, each scheduled about four hours later in the day. In the last two to three weeks before starting each of the in-laboratory protocols, participants maintained fixed sleep and wake schedules, and in the final three days before entering the laboratory, they strictly followed identical diets and meal schedules at home. In the lab, participants regularly documented their hunger and appetite, provided frequent small blood samples throughout the day, and had their body temperature and energy expenditure measured. To measure how eating time affected molecular pathways involved in adipogenesis, or how the body stores fat, investigators collected biopsies of adipose tissue from a subset of participants during laboratory testing in both the early and late eating protocols, to enable comparison of gene expression patterns/levels between these two eating conditions.

Results revealed that eating later had profound effects on hunger and appetite-regulating hormones leptin and ghrelin, which influence our drive to eat. Specifically, levels of the hormone leptin, which signals satiety, were decreased across the 24 hours in the late eating condition compared to the early eating conditions. When participants ate later, they also burned calories at a slower rate and exhibited adipose tissue gene expression towards increased adipogenesis and decreased lipolysis, which promote fat growth. Notably, these findings convey converging physiological and molecular mechanisms underlying the correlation between late eating and increased obesity risk.

Vujovic explains that these findings are not only consistent with a large body of research suggesting that eating later may increase one's likelihood of developing obesity, but they shed new light on how this might occur. By using a randomized crossover study, and tightly controlling for behavioral and environmental factors such as physical activity, posture, sleep, and light exposure, investigators were able to detect changes the different control systems involved in energy balance, a marker of how our bodies use the food we consume.

In future studies, Scheer's team aims to recruit more women to increase the generalizability of their findings to a broader population. While this study cohort included only five female participants, the study was set up to control for menstrual phase, reducing confounding but making recruiting women more difficult. Going forward, Scheer and Vujovic are also interested in better understanding the effects of the relationship between meal time and bedtime on energy balance.

"This study shows the impact of late versus early eating. Here, we isolated these effects by controlling for confounding variables like caloric intake, physical activity, sleep, and light exposure, but in real life, many of these factors may themselves be influenced by meal timing," said Scheer. "In larger scale studies, where tight control of all these factors is not feasible, we must at least consider how other behavioral and environmental variables alter these biological pathways underlying obesity risk. "

Funding: This study was funded by R01DK099512, UL1TR001102 and UL1TR002541. F.A.J.L.S. was supported by NIH grants R01DK099512, R01HL118601, R01DK102696, and R01DK105072 and R01HL140574. M.J.P. and M.J.B. were supported by DK020595. M.G. was supported by The Spanish Government of Investigation, Development and Innovation (SAF2017-84135-R) including FEDER co-funding; The Autonomous Community of the Region of Murcia through the Seneca Foundation (20795/PI/18), and NIDDK R01DK099512. S.L.C. was supported by the Alexander Von Humboldt Foundation. J.Q. was supported by the American Diabetes Association (Award 1-17-PDF-103) and by the NIH (Grant K99HL148500 and R01DK102696).

Paper cited: Vujovic, N et al. "Late isocaloric eating increases hunger, decreases energy expenditure, and modifies metabolic pathways in adults with overweight and obesity" Cell Metabolism DOI: 10.1016/j.cmet.2022.09.007
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  • chris_in_cal
    chris_in_cal Posts: 2,236 Member
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    paints5555 wrote: »
    Interesting but - There were 2 studies cited in the article.

    @paints5555 What I posted up above was only about one study, and it was all during daytime "normal" hours. Participants last meal was at 5:00 p.m.

    You are right, more study is needed.

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,967 Member
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    Here's the actual study.

    https://cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(22)00397-7

    Late isocaloric eating increases hunger, decreases energy expenditure, and modifies metabolic pathways in adults with overweight and obesity

  • chris_in_cal
    chris_in_cal Posts: 2,236 Member
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    Thanks @neanderthin

    It says, in essence, three parts to getting to a healthy weight and all three of them are better if a 'typical' persons last meal is at 5:00 p.m., and no later.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,967 Member
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    Thanks @neanderthin

    It says, in essence, three parts to getting to a healthy weight and all three of them are better if a 'typical' persons last meal is at 5:00 p.m., and no later.

    Well, maybe but this was for acute metabolic responses and not about long term, so those studies would need to be done. Personally I think they missed the boat for not having a group that ate ad libitum and with no food selection bias which I believe would represent more real world data. The p values were very good for the outcomes that represented hunger signaling, energy expenditure, and adipose storage. This study really doesn't add anything to the literature and just mostly confirms the mechanisms for these expressions, which have been known for quite a while.

    As well, this is not about getting to a healthy weight but how certain gene expressions, hormones, cell signaling pathways may disrupt metabolic balance leaning towards weight gain and again long term studies would need to be done, which is difficult especially conforming to the rigorous parameters this study employed, which was as good as it gets imo. There's more immediate action that could be taken to try and begin to turn the current trend downward and get the vast majority of people healthier than worrying whether eating after 5pm is causing weight gain, most of the western civilizations eat after 5.

    Personally, and from my observations from the literature I've digested on this subject over time is that the down time for the body to assimilate the foods like digestion, nutrient uptake, breakdown, repair and build or rejuvenate on a cellular level is very taxing on the body to get back to the starting line the next day. I believe keeping the body in a rhythm it can count on is important and as it pertains to this study a difference that I think is important is the amount of time the body is in this rejuvenation stage and eating late means that the digestion and nutrient uptake part is still happening to the group that ate later which may compromise the total time during the sleep cycle in comparison to the group that ate earlier. Does that time make a difference, don't know, just asking the question.

    We need to realize these are mostly scientists with PhD's that ask specific question and sometimes it's a simple as asking another question to assess a situation in more detail, but that doesn't fall into those parameters but I'm sure among them they talk about that sort of thing all day long. Cheers.




  • ehju0901
    ehju0901 Posts: 365 Member
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    I would love to get into some type of routine like this, but it is just too hard with working two jobs. I would like to transition to eating a small meal or even just a snack when I get home at 10:30 PM though.
  • paints5555
    paints5555 Posts: 1,229 Member
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    paints5555 wrote: »
    Interesting but - There were 2 studies cited in the article.

    @paints5555 What I posted up above was only about one study, and it was all during daytime "normal" hours. Participants last meal was at 5:00 p.m.

    You are right, more study is needed.

    You are correct - the news article I saw referenced the one above as well as the 2nd study.
  • pamperedlinny
    pamperedlinny Posts: 1,568 Member
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    I know it's not the actual study results but in my own personal life I tend to go to bed around 10pm and find that if I eat too closely to that time I also wake up hungry. I try to be finished with any dinner, snacks, etc by 8pm at the latest and then I can go until 10am or later before hunger really hits again. If I eat within an hour of going to bed I wake up hungry.

    I really need to have about 2 hours between my last bite and going to bed without any food or it seriously messes up how hungry I am the next day.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,960 Member
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    Lietchi wrote: »
    Anecdotes are anecdotes, of course. But I gained weight eating late, lost weight while eating late and currently maintaining weight while eating late.

    I ate more than 1000 calories after 5PM yesterday, quite representative of most of my days.
    Eating breakfast is what really gets my hunger going.

    So perhaps the effect, if there is one, is only a small factor countered by other factors. I didn't have trouble losing weight, once I started counting calories. If anything, I lost weight faster than expected.

    5PM as a cutoff seems odd to me too: aside from excluding evening snacking, doesn't a whole chunk of the population eat dinner after 5? Most people I know (Belgium) eat dinner after 5, even after 6pm or later. In France people commonly eat dinner after 8, and even later in Spain for example. Not sure what habits are elsewhere in the world.
    If eating 'late' (after 5) was a major factor in weight gain, I'd expect to see obesity rates in line with cultural eating habits, specifically dinner time.

    Ditto.
  • ccrdragon
    ccrdragon Posts: 3,366 Member
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    musicfan68 wrote: »
    I regularly eat around 7-8 pm, and am losing weight. It doesn't make me more hungry. If I ate at 5 however, I would probably be hungry again by 9 pm. These small studies don't prove much.

    I have this same reaction... my wife has to eat a couple of hours before bed or she gets really bad reflux, so she usually eats early - like around 5. I prefer to eat later at 6:30 to 7. If I eat early, I am hungry again before going to bed between 9 and 10. We make it work by cooking the evening meal early and I just heat it up when I am ready to eat.

    Oh and when I say I am hungry again before bed - I mean HANGRY, like feed me now type hungry - which means that I am more tempted to eat anything and everything before going to bed.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,419 Member
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    kshama2001 wrote: »
    Lietchi wrote: »
    Anecdotes are anecdotes, of course. But I gained weight eating late, lost weight while eating late and currently maintaining weight while eating late.

    I ate more than 1000 calories after 5PM yesterday, quite representative of most of my days.
    Eating breakfast is what really gets my hunger going.

    So perhaps the effect, if there is one, is only a small factor countered by other factors. I didn't have trouble losing weight, once I started counting calories. If anything, I lost weight faster than expected.

    5PM as a cutoff seems odd to me too: aside from excluding evening snacking, doesn't a whole chunk of the population eat dinner after 5? Most people I know (Belgium) eat dinner after 5, even after 6pm or later. In France people commonly eat dinner after 8, and even later in Spain for example. Not sure what habits are elsewhere in the world.
    If eating 'late' (after 5) was a major factor in weight gain, I'd expect to see obesity rates in line with cultural eating habits, specifically dinner time.

    Ditto.

    Yeah, me too: Other than waiting to eat after waking as needed after taking my thyroid meds first thing, I've always eaten through the day when I feel like it, even different patterns on different days. Usually that involves eating close to bedtime - for sure after 5 routinely.

    I admit I didn't pay much attention to these patterns before committing to weight loss, but the only thing I notice now (in long term maintenance) is that if I eat a lot late in the evening, I tend to be less hungry in the morning.

    Since the main cited small study here was on overweight/obese people, I wonder if their metabolic responses differ from long- term healthy-weight (or quite active?) people?

    I admit I'm to lazy to look up cites, but it seems like I've seen studies that hint that obesity itself changes some physiological/ biochemical responses.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,967 Member
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    This study has nothing to do with weight loss or if eating past 5 puts on weight or how someone might find it inconvenient for whatever reason. Whether someone's schedule finds them eating late or they do shift work also has nothing to do with this study, it's just showing that certain factors (hormones) can elicit a possible negative outcome that over time if someone is obese could find their condition not improving or getting worse even though they're controlling their calorie intake. The two groups ate the same number of calories, which were not designed to put participants in a deficit, basically isocaloric conditions

    This study looks at the differences in hormonal regulation and found that the group that ate later (8:00) saw certain hormones affected deleteriously which over time could find that group in a positive energy balance increasing obesity risk. No more, no less. Not eating after 5 somehow became the focus. Cheers.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 9,967 Member
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    Lietchi wrote: »
    This study has nothing to do with weight loss or if eating past 5 puts on weight or how someone might find it inconvenient for whatever reason. Whether someone's schedule finds them eating late or they do shift work also has nothing to do with this study, it's just showing that certain factors (hormones) can elicit a possible negative outcome that over time if someone is obese could find their condition not improving or getting worse even though they're controlling their calorie intake. The two groups ate the same number of calories, which were not designed to put participants in a deficit, basically isocaloric conditions

    This study looks at the differences in hormonal regulation and found that the group that ate later (8:00) saw certain hormones affected deleteriously which over time could find that group in a positive energy balance increasing obesity risk. No more, no less. Not eating after 5 somehow became the focus. Cheers.

    Well, it is the title of this thread 😆

    Hahaha, that's so true, that's hilarious. Cheers.