Did anyone watch Oprah Monday night? Shame, blame and the weightloss revolution.
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My husband will actually start taking Zepbound in the next couple of days. My husband is Obese. He weighs 354 pounds and is 5'9" tall. In the last three months he has on his own lost 35 pounds by eating around 15 to 2100 calories a day and getting on our very nice Matrix elliptical machine a few times a week. I am very proud of him. But the thing is, he has been down this road before and every time something happened that caused him to " give up" in lack of better words. Injuries, getting sick, work-related issues, covid..you name it. From what I have learned being part of Reddit Zepbound forums and also talking to his weight loss doctor , Zepbound or Wegovy are just tools to help you succeed. It might be just what you need to keep staying motivated. I have done a lot of research and think it is worth a try.2
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BEARS EAT BEETS!1 -
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I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️5
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I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Okay?
But that’s an entirely different discussion.
Pharmaceutical interventions have literally saved my life, and the lives of most of my loved ones.
This specific intervention that is the topic of this discussion could very well solve a serious problem that I have been dealing with for 15 years. A problem that years of diet and exercise has done nothing to alleviate.
I’m actually looking forward to getting a prescription for ozempic or Wegovy.
It will be beneficial for me.
I’m here hoping for support. And to support others.
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I totally support whatever you would like to do with your body. I just don’t trust the companies. I believe meditation helps a lot of people. I think at this point the industry is more focused on profit and innovation than actually treating conditions vs symptoms.MargaretYakoda wrote: »I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Okay?
But that’s an entirely different discussion.
Pharmaceutical interventions have literally saved my life, and the lives of most of my loved ones.
This specific intervention that is the topic of this discussion could very well solve a serious problem that I have been dealing with for 15 years. A problem that years of diet and exercise has done nothing to alleviate.
I’m actually looking forward to getting a prescription for ozempic or Wegovy.
It will be beneficial for me.
I’m here hoping for support. And to support others.
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I totally support whatever you would like to do with your body. I just don’t trust the companies. I believe meditation helps a lot of people. I think at this point the industry is more focused on profit and innovation than actually treating conditions vs symptoms.MargaretYakoda wrote: »I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Okay?
But that’s an entirely different discussion.
Pharmaceutical interventions have literally saved my life, and the lives of most of my loved ones.
This specific intervention that is the topic of this discussion could very well solve a serious problem that I have been dealing with for 15 years. A problem that years of diet and exercise has done nothing to alleviate.
I’m actually looking forward to getting a prescription for ozempic or Wegovy.
It will be beneficial for me.
I’m here hoping for support. And to support others.
My good sir, I am literally a Buddhist…
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That’s a really cool religion! I actually meant to say medication not meditation. Sorry. I do believe meditation is beneficial though.MargaretYakoda wrote: »
I totally support whatever you would like to do with your body. I just don’t trust the companies. I believe meditation helps a lot of people. I think at this point the industry is more focused on profit and innovation than actually treating conditions vs symptoms.MargaretYakoda wrote: »I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Okay?
But that’s an entirely different discussion.
Pharmaceutical interventions have literally saved my life, and the lives of most of my loved ones.
This specific intervention that is the topic of this discussion could very well solve a serious problem that I have been dealing with for 15 years. A problem that years of diet and exercise has done nothing to alleviate.
I’m actually looking forward to getting a prescription for ozempic or Wegovy.
It will be beneficial for me.
I’m here hoping for support. And to support others.
My good sir, I am literally a Buddhist…
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Just want to add an Oprah quote here...🤣“For people who feel happy and healthy in celebrating life in a bigger body and don’t want the medications, I say, ‘Bless you.’ And for all the people who believe diet and exercise is the best and only way to lose excess weight, bless you too if that works for you,” she said.
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Tracy Morgan Reveals He's Taking Ozempic for Weight Loss
https://youtu.be/EAxWly6XeKM?si=Dl37kn8FX1aUM0hJ 0 -
That’s a really cool religion! I actually meant to say medication not meditation. Sorry. I do believe meditation is beneficial though.MargaretYakoda wrote: »
I totally support whatever you would like to do with your body. I just don’t trust the companies. I believe meditation helps a lot of people. I think at this point the industry is more focused on profit and innovation than actually treating conditions vs symptoms.MargaretYakoda wrote: »I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Okay?
But that’s an entirely different discussion.
Pharmaceutical interventions have literally saved my life, and the lives of most of my loved ones.
This specific intervention that is the topic of this discussion could very well solve a serious problem that I have been dealing with for 15 years. A problem that years of diet and exercise has done nothing to alleviate.
I’m actually looking forward to getting a prescription for ozempic or Wegovy.
It will be beneficial for me.
I’m here hoping for support. And to support others.
My good sir, I am literally a Buddhist…
Getting back on topic.
I haven’t seen any studies that suggest semaglutides are more dangerous than the effects of long term refractive obesity, unaddressed fatty liver disease, or elevated A1C.
If you’re not dealing with those issues then cool. That’s really great.
But they’re a godsend for some people. And I do hope we can agree to support the folks who need it.3 -
AdahPotatah2024 wrote: »
Don’t bother clicking that link, folks. It’s just a YouTube short of Tracy Morgan telling a story about being a personal trainer and having a client pass wind in his face.
It has nothing to do with the current discussion.
I’m frankly mystified why an adult would think such a video would have any relevance here. Except perhaps to insult the people who might be prescribed a semaglutide?
EDIT: the original link was a mistake.
I am editing this to reflect that the *current* link is actually pretty good.
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I totally support folks who need medication. I haven’t seen any studies either, but I don’t think I would trust them anyway.MargaretYakoda wrote: »
That’s a really cool religion! I actually meant to say medication not meditation. Sorry. I do believe meditation is beneficial though.MargaretYakoda wrote: »
I totally support whatever you would like to do with your body. I just don’t trust the companies. I believe meditation helps a lot of people. I think at this point the industry is more focused on profit and innovation than actually treating conditions vs symptoms.MargaretYakoda wrote: »I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Okay?
But that’s an entirely different discussion.
Pharmaceutical interventions have literally saved my life, and the lives of most of my loved ones.
This specific intervention that is the topic of this discussion could very well solve a serious problem that I have been dealing with for 15 years. A problem that years of diet and exercise has done nothing to alleviate.
I’m actually looking forward to getting a prescription for ozempic or Wegovy.
It will be beneficial for me.
I’m here hoping for support. And to support others.
My good sir, I am literally a Buddhist…
Getting back on topic.
I haven’t seen any studies that suggest semaglutides are more dangerous than the effects of long term refractive obesity, unaddressed fatty liver disease, or elevated A1C.
If you’re not dealing with those issues then cool. That’s really great.
But they’re a godsend for some people. And I do hope we can agree to support the folks who need it.
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Oops, I copied the wrong one!✌️1
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I myself had not really understood that Obesity itself was considered a disease (not every person that is overweight necessarily has the disease).
I think our whole society was skeptical? So we blew it off?? Oprah said during the special - I didn't get the memo, or words to that effect lol.
It was 2013 when the AMA voted to recognize it (2015 for the Canadian Medical Assn). But this is not a new theory - from a paper written in 2008:
"The recognition of obesity as a disease was in theory established in 1948 by WHO's (World Health Organization) taking on the International Classification of Diseases but the early highlighting of the potential public health problem in the United States and the United Kingdom 35 years ago was considered irrelevant elsewhere."
This is from an article written in December, link is below:
"Is obesity a disease or a disorder?
Obesity is a chronic disease. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), obesity affects 42.8% of middle-age adults. Obesity is closely related to several other chronic diseases, including heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, sleep apnea, certain cancers, joint diseases, and more."
https://obesitymedicine.org/blog/why-is-obesity-a-disease/
So, I am just coming to terms with what this means for me personally as I absolutely believe I have the Obesity gene...I have yoyo'd ever higher (despite my very best efforts not to do so) for the past 30 years. And I freely admit I am a sedentary creature by nature, habit and profession, which does not help.1 -
I just don’t feel like I can trust pharmaceutical companies anymore 🤷♂️
Does that mean you would refuse ANY pharmaceutical intervention for a medical issue? While I think individuals need to do their research and not trust anything on face value. Making a statement like this just devalues the incredibly good work that pharma has done - despite some of the supreme bad as well.
I DO know several people who are using weight loss drugs for vanity. I think it is irresponsible. I know others who have tried, for years and years, to use CICO to reduce weight and have had short term success but cannot sustain it. Some of those people may have underlying medical conditions that prevent long-term weight loss. Others do not. They just cannot maintain the momentum. It would be FANTASTIC if everyone could sustain the motivation and strength to maintain loss through CICO. Frankly, it would be ideal. But it is just not realistic.
We know that there are significant health impacts for being overweight and obese - and these impacts hurt not just individuals but society. I fail to see, if evidence shows that there IS medicine to help, why we should scoff at it.
I look at my own case. About a decade ago I was overweight and I used dedication to CICO to lose almost 40 pounds. In my early 40s I was probably the fittest I have ever been. I just came across photos from those days and it ties me in knots that I have gained all of that weight back. For the last two years I have been rededicated to CICO - tracking calories, minimizing processed foods, emphasizing high protein, exercising (some cardio with a focus on strength training). I see little change. I am perimenopausal, and in a job that is constant stress (cortisol ain't my friend), and without as much time to exercise as I would like (I routinely work 12+ hour days). I am struggling to lose the weight even though I am, by all accounts, doing the right things.
I NEED to go to the doctor to get all my levels checked - and if it is suggested that a GLP can help, I will do it. And do it without shame. Why? For two years I have been trying to do weight loss the "right way" to no avail. I know if I continue to gain, at my age (50), it's not going to lead to a positive outcome. If a pharmaceutical intervention can help, I will be all for it. And I will STILL focus on CICO and making healthy choices. But, my decision to go with drugs - if that is the medically recommended path - will have nothing to do with my willpower or character.2 -
Thought the special was interesting and important to furthering important consideration, discussion and a more common understanding of the issues. Wish it had been more in depth; at least 2 hours or more specials to come.
The 2 doctors on the show, I believe, work with or for the 2 pharma companies making the drugs. I wish alternative/non-affiliated points of view had been included, and wondered if this is an advertisement in the form of education (an advertising strategy deployed often.)
So I would ask, what did Oprah get out of this? Compensations? She said she stepped away from Weight Watchers to avoid conflict of interest perceptions? Or is there a more direct conflict she had to avoid? Wish we knew. It would help to understand her real motivations. I would "hope" there really is a personal, sincere interest to help with this issue, for herself, for everyone.
Also, was saddened to realize these drugs are not covered by medicare, medicaid, nor apparently a significant number of insurance programs. That, as a policy matter, may require an act of congress, along the lines of mandating other particular services to be included. Imagine we are a long ways from that.
The point/consequence of the current high prices is to pretty much, once more, exclude lower/poor socio-economic groups... wholly inequitable. If this is simply a vanity procedure/drug, whatever.
But if this is truly a breakthrough therapy that can save lives, then i would hope the prices come down and it becomes accessible to the millions who have sincerely tried and been unable to maintain or lose weight.
For consideration, how many extra calories per day =5 lb weight gain per year. Just 50? In terms of food, just 1/2 an extra apple a day?
-- over 20 years x5lbs = 200 lbs extra weight?
And for 1/2 an apple extra a day, so many people suffer such horrible co-morbidity complications and "widely accepted" discriminations throughout all areas of society...
(People who suffer obesity) It is very similar to how alcoholics were disdained before they were offered medical/social support. We need such a shift in societal attitudes with obesity, so we can get on with addressing it. The program was another step forward. Thought it was worth the watch.
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Viagra was developed for blood pressure.Thing is Ozempic wasn't developed for weight loss but diabetes.
Your statement "Thing is" while true, doesn't mean much. It isn't the "Thing." Digging deeper into the basic science who knows what's there.
You went on to make many other good points and Wegovey (Ozempic) is FDA approved for obesity, it is for sale in the US, and a hundred MFPers could write happy anecdotes here if they choose.
Medicare just approved Wegovy for people with cardiovascular diesease too. Not obesity, or diabetes, because it's effective there too.
As you wrote all treatments can have complications and side effects, and I am infavor of treating people who have given informed consent.2
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