WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR APRIL 2024
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Wonderful morning with Edie. We started with crochet, but she really couldn't get the hang of it, so we went on to acrylic painting on small canvas boards. I wanted to try out my new pink and purple paints.
I think Edie's moon in the lake picture is great. She took the photo.
I went all Monet for the colours.
We had a lot of fun, and I used my new table easel. I've only done one or two acrylics before, so I'm very much learning.
Then we went back to the crochet, and both made progress.
An excellent morning!
Waitrose delivery this afternoon, then I'm going to make broccoli/leek soup to use up all the stuff we have in the fridge. I will fry a bit of chorizo to cheer it up. Have it with cheese on toast for dinner when John comes home.
Machka - Well, done on the painting pens! So good to be creative. Very satisfying.
Love Heather UK xxxxxxxx
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Just Give Me 10 Days: Round 256- Apr 6-15
SW RND - 215; GW - 155 (Female- Age 56)
Newbie
Logging Trend Weight
Goals:
- Plan food daily and work the plan.
- Fast 12 hours dinner to breakfast.
- Do 30 minutes of dedicated exercise 5 days a week.
4/6 - 215 - Sleep issues and night eating associated with insomnia are my biggest focus. Its pushed me to gain so much weight in the last year. Very hard habit to break.
4/7 - 213.9 - Clearly a drop in water weight but I'll take it. Worked the plan well yesterday through dinner. However, I did eat a protein bar in the wee hours, so I had to restart my 12 hour fasting window over.
4/8- 213.3 -Lifted some weights, lots of steps, eating on point with a lot of veggies and protein. Still struggling with eliminating the night snacking.
4/9 - 213.2- Eclipse party. No alcohol. Stayed within calorie range but not the healthiest foods. Lot of steps and outside much of the day. Slept better.
4/10 - 212.9 - Perfect day yesterday and slept through night. Lots of veggies and protein and no food off plan.
4/11 - 212.8 - Okay day - no breakfast; lentil chicken bowl for lunch but added a small brownie; chicken nachos for dinner. Not the healthiest overall but within calories. Hard to get to sleep, but then slept well. Did have a protein bar in the evening.
4/12 - 213 - Busy day at work, catered lunch and dinner and drinks out. Stayed reasonable but not perfect. Bump up on scale.
4/13
4/14
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Heather ~ Both you and Edie are showing great artistic talent!
Will ~ My husband and I need to make a new will since the one we have is very old and just needs updating.
Carol in GA4 -
I did twenty eight minutes on my bike and twenty minutes walking! Yay!
Annie in Delaware6 -
Happy Friday everyone. Welcome to the new people this is a great place for friendship and support.
This has been a week from ****. Started last Sunday when I got out of church and a police officer from Lincoln called to tell me my car was in an accident on Saturday in the Scheels parking lot. DH and I were not in the car, but our friend with us waited in the car. From what I understand she opened the door and the wind caught it and hit the car next to us and make a big dent. She never said anything about it, so when the police called I was not sure what he was talking about and then he tried to bully me. I finally said I was not agreeing to anything until I saw the pictures and talked to the person in the back seat. Next day his sargent called me and theaten to file charges against me. I told them my insurance company was dealing with it and would find out what happened.
Then Wednesday I spent the morning at our local court house for jury duty. must say I was not impressed. Good thing I was not picked for this jury and was sent home just before noon. I still could be called again until the end of May.
Lisa--I love your planter box.
Heather--Sorry you are having so much pain. Glad you have your suguries scheduled.
Sue--So happy you got the tenant out. Just be careful as she sounds crazy.
Macka--Happy for you and your new house. May you have many years of happy memories there.
Beth--Hope all goes well with getting your mom moved. Sending hugs and prayers.
Carol--Sorry about your brother. I know it was hard when my sister passed it seems so unreal.
Rebecca--I understand about your wanting to just stay home. I am getting that way more all the time.
Glad you and your sister talked about things. It is not easy, but worth it.
Flea--Glad you have your mom's estate done.
Barbara--Thanks for the update on Katla. Sounds like she is doing well.
Kim--Glad you vented. Sometimes all we need is someone to listen and not judge.
Well I have the next 3 days off and have a bone desinty test on Monday. Last Monday both doctor appointments went well. Did change some meds around. Doctor added a new one for mood, the pharmacy called and said it was $164 for 3 months and that they had a coupon bringing it down to $10. That's crazy. I know once the coupon expires I will not be taking it .
Blessings, Vicki GRAND ISLAND, NE6 -
Annie ... you said: "Everything financial passes to my sister who will split it up." This sounds unusual to me. On my mother's will (and my late father's will), which I am the executor of, everything is to be divided equally between my brother and I. Since my father's passing, as we changed account ownership into my mother's name only (I am also their POA/fiduciary agent), I have turned all eligible assets into TODs (Transfer on Death) with my brother and I as the beneficiaries to avoid probate. There will be one account, however, that will not be a TOD. Still, according to my mom's will, it will be divided equally between my brother and I. I will not become the owner of that account and then give my brother half of it. Based on your dad's financial status and/or the state you live in, your sister could face paying an unfair share of taxes on those assets. I would look into this to avoid misunderstandings later. But then I like to have things very clear and concise when it comes to things like this.
Machka ... lovely house!
Yesterday's family meeting regarding my mom was as I expected. She is traveling down the road to memory care or skilled/long-term care. The next few weeks will determine which road. She cannot stay at her current facility's memory care unit if she requires two people to transfer. She is getting weaker , so she's currently in a therapy program to see if she can remain a one-person lift. Praying she can do this and hoping she is cooperative with the therapy. Nursing home/skilled/long-term care is grim in my area and incredibly expensive as I shared earlier.
Beth
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Anniesquats100 wrote: »I did twenty eight minutes on my bike and twenty minutes walking! Yay!
Annie in Delaware
You're doing well!
My exercise has fallen off this month because I haven't been at work in the office as much. When I'm in the office, I climb stairs and usually go for a walk at lunch.
But when I worked at home yesterday, I did spend my lunch hour in the garden.
Today, I helped move plants into our new garden, climbed 42 individual steps, and did a bit of work in our current garden.
Better than nothing!
M in Oz5 -
Annie ... you said: "Everything financial passes to my sister who will split it up." This sounds unusual to me. On my mother's will (and my late father's will), which I am the executor of, everything is to be divided equally between my brother and I. Since my father's passing, as we changed account ownership into my mother's name only (I am also their POA/fiduciary agent), I have turned all eligible assets into TODs (Transfer on Death) with my brother and I as the beneficiaries to avoid probate. There will be one account, however, that will not be a TOD. Still, according to my mom's will, it will be divided equally between my brother and I. I will not become the owner of that account and then give my brother half of it. Given your dad's financial status and the state you live in, your sister could face taxes on those assets. Are you going to then help pay her tax? I would look into this to avoid misunderstandings later.
Beth
Agreed. If the account passes to the sister, the money is legally the sisters. She is under no obligation to split it. My Dads wishes were for his money to be split. The account went to me but I split it like a good daughter 😇
Okie in the TX Hill Country
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Vicki Thank you for your story. My friend is coming this Saturday with her daughter to view DH car. She is saying if they buy the car and I trusted her to go to DMV to change title we could finish up possibly Saturday. My stance is I want her daughter to look at it. Do a short drive with a licensed driver in the car she has her permit. Then go home and think about it and on Tuesday we will go into DMV together if the daughter is interested in the car. I still have an interested neighbor that I have not said anything to my friend. If both fall through Carmax here I come. The husband seems to think a bill of sale is enough proof that something should happen before they go to DMV. Not for me no matter who I sell the car to they will not get the car until the transfer of title is proven to me! I want to stay friends with her.
I did put in a complaint about how the DH account was handled by the business I have been dealing with for almost three months. I am double checking everything they do. Hopefully by next Tuesday everything will finally be in order. Yes Lisa this account was in our trust. It was a case of switching me to the primary holder of the account. When the person who was supposed to be handling my account did not even get my first name right and did not attach the form she said needing correcting that is when I said enough is enough! So I did go on record with a complaint!6 -
Today is a ‘spacey’ day!
RVRita in ‘spacey’ Roswell!
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Morning all
Wow it was blowing a gale and raining all night.
Hoping Tracy got to work ok.5 -
Michele - sorry to hear about that bumper, glad it's getting fixed. Good you weren't injured, but what a shock.
I noticed yesterday when I was in town in later morning, drivers seem to have lost their marbles. Making left turns in front of me, not checking before backing out of spaces in the shopping center - I nearly got clipped twice in 2 minutes. That's why I hit the stores before 8 if I can.
Barbie - OK, I can see the potential problem with someone who doesn't live in the area gaining access to a safety deposit box. My attorney gave us the option of leaving everything with him for secure storage, which we did until DH passed.
Beth - sounds like a good meeting regarding your mom and memory care. I did a little more digging - assisted living out here can be as high as $8K per month. That would eat through savings pretty quickly. My next door neighbor, who is 92, has a lawn maintenance crew come in and take of his yard - mowing, pruning, spraying, for $2000 per year. We have 2 1/2 acre lots here, and it can be a couple hours each time - that's a lot of grass to cut and bag up. I thought that sounded horribly high, but considering $2000 only pays for a week or two in assisted living, it's worth it and he is able to cook and clean for himself with occasional help. I may go that route eventually, just keep adding $ to savings when I can.
Vicki - wow, sorry to hear about the damage that door did and what all you went through with it.
Lisa - I'm guessing that "SPU" calf exercises helping with blood sugar is a recent discovery - I see it was posted on YouTube only one year ago. So MD's and health educators have known for quite a while that walking after a meal helped with blood sugar, but they never knew exactly why. I heard it mentioned on a Dr. Bitman interview or Chatterjee podcast. Now we know, and maybe it will gain more recognition. Good job on the siding removal. And love that quilt clock, beautiful!
Heather - did they say exactly why the heel lifts are important before and after surgery? Maybe to keep up strength in the leg muscles? Any mention of blood sugar control?
Yesterday I had a nice lunch with friend M, then came home and decided to remove the hard drive from DH's old tower computer. I lugged it from the office out into the shop where I have a large counter - didn't get that job done but will attack it today. While I was in the shop office, I toted the firewood I had stored in there in little crates back outside and into the woodshed, then ran the vacuum. And grabbed the string trimmer and cleaned up a bit in preparation for mowing.
Lanette
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Beth - I'm sorry long-term care is such a bad option there for so many reasons.
Michele - I'm glad you're OK after the accident.
Barbara AHMOD - I keep forgetting to say thank you for checking in with Katla! Thank you so much for doing that.
Machka - Love the original piece, nice sense of perspective! I keep debating on adding a river to my refrigerator mural...
Heather - Love yours and Edie's pieces, too. It is fun to see the changes in the work both of you make across differing art media. Sounds like you're having a great time together.
Rusty in Yorkshire - I feel the pieces we make in whatever art or craft are part of the health that we're all striving for. That kind of creation, at whatever level of skill, is integral to the whole person, and adds to a healthy life. Would love to see what you paint, as well, if you're willing to share. Some make, some don't, some share, some don't, no pressure either way.
Margaret - Proud of you for getting that complaint in. Companies can't change if we don't let them know when it's not been done right.
Lanette - I find it amazing how small jobs, like "move a computer," metamorphosize into more jobs, no matter what. And then we have to go back and finish the original thought of what needed doing! 😀👀🙃 I keep looking at things through my best friend's eyes. She's never seen this place, and she's going to love it, and I need to just cool my jets. I already cleaned the microwave, and that's her biggest pet peeve. 😀🙄🤠
Vicky - Thanks for the comment on the planter - I'm so sorry that a mere door swinging open has turned into such a fooforaw!
Home renovation and outside spring cleaning:Corey will be bringing home a small skid steer (also called a bobcat) with a backhoe bucket from work that he can hopefully use to get that old decrepit boat into the roll-off dumpster and I will finally be able to STOP LOOKING AT IT. Hopefully. I linked that so the uninitiated to heavy equipment could see what I mean. For those who don't care THAT much, it's about a third of the size of a big bulldozer, but he's got a scoopy bucket on the front to use to pick things up.
Below is the view from my kitchen window at the left and then zoomed in. Again, I've been looking at it for nearly six years now, and it does kind of wear on you. There is a burn pit just off to the left, out of view, and the pieces of wood you can see are mostly the major tree falls we still have to burn. They'll be gone before spring is over... but I was worried the boat wasn't ever going to leave! I am not fond of yard art, and will not miss this particular installation. 🙄😀👀🙃
While he has the skid steer, he will be able to get my dirt into the planter in front of the sunroom, and I'll be able to get all plants situated in it. Fingers crossed we're past the last frost. I picked up two more hostas, which I love, to put in it as well.
It's finally gotten up above 60 degrees, so I'm going to go grab what I need and sling a big ol' iron prybar around for a while yanking more siding off under the carport. Once it's done, I can't accomplish any more with the rest, as it's all up on the eaves of the house. I can't even move Corey's ladder, it's so heavy, much less work from it!
Time to get moving my chickens - more work under the carport this morning instead of yoga. While yoga helps the ability to move, it also saps some of the energy I need to complete the work, and my energy is strictly rationed these days. Hope it is or has been a good Friday for each of us, and will be a great weekend for everyone.
Much love from sunny Arkansas,
Lisa
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Lanette, seated calf raises (or SPUs?) are one of a number of exercises recommended to help avoid blood clots.
People who have had hip replacements are at high risk of blood clots because they have to remain relatively stationary for a certain period of time to allow for healing. But of course sitting for extended periods of time increases the risk of blood clots.
I do those and other exercises when I fly or when I have to sit for more than an hour at work or in a lecture or something to help increase the blood flow because I have a genetic predisposition toward developing clots.
M in Oz3 -
Yes, Lanette, circulation. Pumping the calf muscles. Plus lifting the toes. No idea about blood sugar.
Rosemarie- Are you doing the next TYHB declutter day at the end of the month?
Made broccoli soup. Cut up the chorizo. John will be back in a while. Just leaving Southampton.
Love Heather UK xxxxxxxx3 -
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Happy Friday everyone. Welcome to the new people this is a great place for friendship and support.
This has been a week from ****. Started last Sunday when I got out of church and a police officer from Lincoln called to tell me my car was in an accident on Saturday in the Scheels parking lot. DH and I were not in the car, but our friend with us waited in the car. From what I understand she opened the door and the wind caught it and hit the car next to us and make a big dent. She never said anything about it, so when the police called I was not sure what he was talking about and then he tried to bully me. I finally said I was not agreeing to anything until I saw the pictures and talked to the person in the back seat. Next day his sargent called me and theaten to file charges against me. I told them my insurance company was dealing with it and would find out what happened.
Then Wednesday I spent the morning at our local court house for jury duty. must say I was not impressed. Good thing I was not picked for this jury and was sent home just before noon. I still could be called again until the end of May.
Lisa--I love your planter box.
Heather--Sorry you are having so much pain. Glad you have your suguries scheduled.
Sue--So happy you got the tenant out. Just be careful as she sounds crazy.
Macka--Happy for you and your new house. May you have many years of happy memories there.
Beth--Hope all goes well with getting your mom moved. Sending hugs and prayers.
Carol--Sorry about your brother. I know it was hard when my sister passed it seems so unreal.
Rebecca--I understand about your wanting to just stay home. I am getting that way more all the time.
Glad you and your sister talked about things. It is not easy, but worth it.
Flea--Glad you have your mom's estate done.
Barbara--Thanks for the update on Katla. Sounds like she is doing well.
Kim--Glad you vented. Sometimes all we need is someone to listen and not judge.
Well I have the next 3 days off and have a bone desinty test on Monday. Last Monday both doctor appointments went well. Did change some meds around. Doctor added a new one for mood, the pharmacy called and said it was $164 for 3 months and that they had a coupon bringing it down to $10. That's crazy. I know once the coupon expires I will not be taking it .
Blessings, Vicki GRAND ISLAND, NE
Maybe that's just life, telling us to live happily in a smaller radius. I am content in my happy, quietness. I think the only thing I get nervous about, is when my sister comes to visit she will be so bored, and make me feel like my life isn't adequate enough. How do you explain to someone after years of medical issues with husband, and moving around every 4 years, that the contentment of life is the stillness?
Rebecca
Whidbey
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Annie ... you said: "Everything financial passes to my sister who will split it up." This sounds unusual to me. On my mother's will (and my late father's will), which I am the executor of, everything is to be divided equally between my brother and I. Since my father's passing, as we changed account ownership into my mother's name only (I am also their POA/fiduciary agent), I have turned all eligible assets into TODs (Transfer on Death) with my brother and I as the beneficiaries to avoid probate. There will be one account, however, that will not be a TOD. Still, according to my mom's will, it will be divided equally between my brother and I. I will not become the owner of that account and then give my brother half of it. Based on your dad's financial status and/or the state you live in, your sister could face paying an unfair share of taxes on those assets. I would look into this to avoid misunderstandings later. But then I like to have things very clear and concise when it comes to things like this.
Machka ... lovely house!
Yesterday's family meeting regarding my mom was as I expected. She is traveling down the road to memory care or skilled/long-term care. The next few weeks will determine which road. She cannot stay at her current facility's memory care unit if she requires two people to transfer. She is getting weaker , so she's currently in a therapy program to see if she can remain a one-person lift. Praying she can do this and hoping she is cooperative with the therapy. Nursing home/skilled/long-term care is grim in my area and incredibly expensive as I shared earlier.
Beth
Annie. That was a red flag to me, as well. If everything legally passes to her, she is under no obligation to share, especially if it's just a verbal agreement.
Flea
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Heather: Yes I have the TYHB Declutter Day on my calendar and am looking forward to it. Are you going to do this? My impression is your home is already decluttered?
I did take a box canned food to a pantry cabinet and fridge behind a local church. The locals in that area know about the pantry and they will come get the cans they want. I am doing Nutri-system now and have no interest in the cans. I am down 4 pounds!
I will read more posts over the week-end. I am binge reading a book that I purchased in October. I really want to finish this!
Best,
Rosemarie from Georgia8 -
Whidislander wrote: »
Maybe that's just life, telling us to live happily in a smaller radius. I am content in my happy, quietness. I think the only thing I get nervous about, is when my sister comes to visit she will be so bored, and make me feel like my life isn't adequate enough. How do you explain to someone after years of medical issues with husband, and moving around every 4 years, that the contentment of life is the stillness?
Rebecca
Whidbey
Wa
Rebecca ... you don't ... because unless someone has walked in those shoes, they have no real understanding. Your life is just that ... your life ... and it is more than adequate to you.
Beth4 -
How do you explain to someone after years of medical issues with husband, and moving around every 4 years, that the contentment of life is the stillness?
Rebecca
Rebecca ... you don't ... because unless someone has walked in those shoes, they have no real understanding. Your life is just that ... your life ... and it is more than adequate to you.
Beth
Or, if you're from the South, when they tell you your life is inadequate, you say, "Well bless your heart, it's so nice you think that way!" And you smile with all your teeth. 😁
It's a phrase I've used on more than one occasion. Very handy. 🙃👀😀
Love,
Lisa
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It's no one's business to decide if someone else's life is adequate or not. That is such an individual choice. I have learned to not care about anyone's opinions on my life. It's mine. I don't judge theirs.
I decided, perhaps stupidly, to start doing P90X workouts on my legs again. The only time I really got definition in my legs was when I was religiously doing that one. So, I'll give it a try and see how I feel. I'm exhausted. Tomorrow will be interesting.
I just looked at my legs today and they were too jiggly for my taste. I need to focus on exercise again. I've been pretty lax lately and it's showing.
The mister is still sick. We are wondering if it's RSV. He's had what seemed to be a cold, but then he got a fever and says his lungs feel weird. I hope it's not pneumonia. It's been a week.
Tina in CA
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Nearly everyone I follow on Podcasts and YouTube are homebodies, who hate leaving the house. I'm so grateful that's me, now I have no choice! They all have wonderful, fulfilling lives, but prefer to stay quiet.
I spend most of my time on my bed, as do several famous others I follow. I just think we have rich internal lives. Our imaginative and creative horizons are huge.
Rosemarie - No, I haven't signed up, but I still regularly follow the organisers. I find their videos very comforting, especially at the moment. I watch decluttering and cleaning videos a lot of the day. It soothes my brain at this stressful time.
Spoke to L this evening, who hasn't been well. Always good to chat.
John came home and loved the soup! He then made a sandwich for us to share.
Love you all, Heather UK xxxxxxxx4 -
Afternoon all.got the clothes finally out of the dryer..that took all day..it was busy in the laundry room.
Spent 95.00 at Petco.🙄 sheesh
And I paid off the cruise so..there is that..still breezy out but not like this morning holy moley..
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Tina - Hope the mister doesn't have p-monia. Never fun, and debilitating. On the subject of your legs, I think we're too hard on ourselves in terms of body image, but we all have to live inside our bodies. I gave up on getting mine to look good, I just want it to work! 😀👀🙃
Oddly relieved to have made the decision not to go back to acupuncture. Barbie - you were right, it was a nice peaceful interlude in my week, but never really seemed to make a difference to the pain. I know that others have been quite happy with the results. It does make me wonder if my inability to be hypnotized and my overall skeptic's nature is all part of the reason it doesn't work for me. 🤷🏻♀️ While it was the only non-stressful medical appointment in a life that has been overfull with those the last few years, I just can't justify a treatment that isn't working. 😐
Got nearly three hours of work in pulling more spider-laden siding off the carport walls and cleaning up the massive mess of dead bugs, dirt dauber nests and decades of just environmental dirt blown through on the wind, I guess. Burned somewhere between 800 and 900 calories, according to the Fitbit, anyway. Still not finished, but closer.
Cor's on his way home, dragging a trailer with the little skid steer. He's going to have so much fun this weekend. I might get him to teach me how to operate it. I know he wants to eventually buy one. One of those things that are enormously handy, but only for about ten days a year or so. Would have cost a few hundred to rent it - cool that his boss lets him take it home for the weekend.
Thinking about April and her son, hope all's going well and things are progressing. No need to respond, just want to let you know you're in our thoughts.
Thinking about Tracey and her best friend, too, hope you're having a great time.
Thinking about KJ and her busy spring doings with her littles, too.
Kim - Hope things are going a little better. Thinking about you, too.
Love y'all,
Lisa in AR
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LisaInArkansas wrote: »Tina - Hope the mister doesn't have p-monia. Never fun, and debilitating. On the subject of your legs, I think we're too hard on ourselves in terms of body image, but we all have to live inside our bodies. I gave up on getting mine to look good, I just want it to work! 😀👀🙃
Love y'all,
Lisa in AR
I really like the way my legs used to look, especially when I wore dresses. There is really no reason I cannot get them (and the rest of me) back into shape.
Tina in CA
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Kim- so sorry about your terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. Glad you were able to vent here. Hope the following days have been better.
It finally got sunny here after a cloudy morning. I was able to do water exercise 2 times this week again but my legs felt like rubber after both times. I really need to work on getting back into some sort of shape.
Everyone take care, Sue in WA4 -
LisaInArkansas wrote: »
Got nearly three hours of work in pulling more spider-laden siding off the carport walls and cleaning up the massive mess of dead bugs, dirt dauber nests and decades of just environmental dirt blown through on the wind, I guess. Burned somewhere between 800 and 900 calories, according to the Fitbit, anyway. Still not finished, but closer.
Cor's on his way home, dragging a trailer with the little skid steer. He's going to have so much fun this weekend. I might get him to teach me how to operate it. I know he wants to eventually buy one. One of those things that are enormously handy, but only for about ten days a year or so. Would have cost a few hundred to rent it - cool that his boss lets him take it home for the weekend.
Thinking about April and her son, hope all's going well and things are progressing. No need to respond, just want to let you know you're in our thoughts.
Thinking about Tracey and her best friend, too, hope you're having a great time.
Thinking about KJ and her busy spring doings with her littles, too.
Kim - Hope things are going a little better. Thinking about you, too.
Love y'all,
Lisa in AR
My mom was planning on buying a full size tractor but thankfully they didn't have one in stock when she went to get it and then after many talks, she agreed that it wasn't the best option for an 80yr old woman. She bought a little ride on with a trailer and mower blade that she uses every day to go over to take care of the chickens and also for yard work. When she does need a full size tractor, she rents one from the local place that her friend's son works at. He rents it in his name and she gets a big discount. My nephew comes out from CO and uses it. She doesn't have to store or maintanance it for the little she would use it if she did buy one.
She just called me to tell me she FINALLY called and ordered the potting soil. it will be delivered on Tuesday so looks like I will be going up to mom's next weekend to get her greenhouse planted.
With your Fitbit, have you had it say you did a certain exercise that you didn't do??
On Sunday, I have no idea what I was doing but it said I swam 465 yds/18min.
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