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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,793 Member
    edited October 9

    Intermittent fasting has absolutely nothing to do with weight loss, although weight loss does occurs quite frequently and if someone was to connect those dots, IF might actually be helpful as opposed to, oh, it doesn't work and it's just a fad and it's about calories. 😁

  • rms62003
    rms62003 Posts: 259 Member

    Love brussel sprouts - planning on them for dinner tonight!

  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,099 Member

    Who has that opinion? IF works because it's about calories…

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,793 Member
    edited October 15

    For calorie counters it's always about calories.

    The problem is the more a person educates themselves about human nutrition the less important calories become. If a person was to actually investigate IF they would soon learn it has nothing to do with calories, it's about triggering metabolic and cellular regeneration through strategic timing which also has effects on other metabolic processes that include satiety. IF basically threatens calorie counters because it challenges the foundational paradigm they’ve built their whole nutritional worldview on and why we'll continually hear, as you've repeated, it's about calories and not IF.

    5:2 would be the exception, which is what I use if I want to lose weight and the reason 5:2 is the exception is because it actually addresses calories and people actually are in a caloric deficit. It isn't IF in the scientific sense but just another way to reduce calories where some find reducing calories for 2 days instead of everyday more workable.

  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,099 Member

    But it still works fundamentally because the individual is in an energy deficit.

    You can IF, and if you are in a surplus you will not lose fat…

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,793 Member

    And the status quo remains intact.

    IF introduces nonlinear dynamics, like hormonal shifts, circadian rhythm, autophagy that facilitates change within the body and that threatens the simplicity of people that "count calories" Does weight lose occur only in a calorie deficit, yes, which describes quite well the forest and tree analogy.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 10,366 Member
    edited October 23

    this probably belongs in “popular” opinions but….


    I do not need to scroll thirty times to reach the recipe on your cooking website. Nor do I need to read about all your other wonderful recipes, or read while you cite things that have happened while you “discovered your recipe, read your lame *kitten* cooking tips, nor suffer a dozen photos of lovely apples in a bowl, or herbs or whatever.

    While I appreciate that you need to monetize your website, most of you are simply ridiculous.

    And btw, your calorie counts are also typically in Fantasyland, and don’t include the cream, chocolate, vanilla sugar, sprinkles, candies or ice cream you lavish on your finished product photos, particularly those of you who claim to be calorie conscious websites.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 38,196 Community Helper

    Preach, sistah!

    People spamming the threads in all topic ares with nothing more than whining, not even specific critiques or bug reports: Profitless in terms of affecting MFP, annoying to (some) readers. Double eye-roll-y when they've rage quit and only come back posting to complain.

    Just leave, people. Fully delete your account so MFP can't count your ID as a user when they market advertising.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 38,196 Community Helper

    I can't remember whether anyone else has posted this thought on this thread, but I'm sure I haven't.

    A lot of people would be better off if they worried more about what to get INTO their eating patterns - within calories, if relevant to them - rather than focusing on what to get OUT of their eating patterns.

    Maybe I've just read one (or one thousand) too many people complaining about why MFP doesn't total up added sugar, or identify seed oils, or lectins, or something.

    I feel empathy for people who have a serious health condition, need a way to track particular rather challenging things that are specifically a problem for that health condition, like phosphorus for CKD.

    I don't feel so much empathy for people who've simply fallen for - and won't let go of - the click-bait-y nonsense about how some individual simplistic thing is the root of all evil, when only something like 10-25% or so of people are getting the recommended amount of veggies/fruits, fiber, PUFAs/MUFAs, exercise, . . . . etc.

    To be clear, I'll still try to help the latter group if I can. I may even feel sympathy. No empathy.

  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,099 Member

    IMO the benefits beyond calorie restriction are modest effects, not miracles…

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,793 Member

    I'm not picking on you specifically J72FIT but this is a classic strawman argument where someone introduces an exaggerated claim that no one made, then dismisses it to make their own position seem more reasonable. It’s not a miracle, but it’s not trivial either.

    Also in order to actually have a conversation there must be a framework where everyone is able to articulate those distinctions clearly. To me it's a paradox when people confidently dismiss IF, like you have and many others here while it appears they also refuse looking into the mechanisms. I mean you've had enough time from our past conversation to do just that but instead you decided not to bother. I can only surmise that it's uncomfortable for people who rely on simple rules like “calories in, calories out.” and where mechanisms complicate the narrative. I really don't know how else to articulate it.

  • DiscusTank5
    DiscusTank5 Posts: 980 Member

    "My steadily spreading butt" . . . Lolol.

    I also think menopause/ perimenopause is grossly overrated in terms of blocking weight loss. Ask me how I know!

  • DiscusTank5
    DiscusTank5 Posts: 980 Member

    Whaaat??? But I thought bananas were the reason for all the obesity in the US (citing the ubiquitous "one secret doctors don't want you to know" ads from a few years back).

  • sollyn23l2
    sollyn23l2 Posts: 2,172 Member
  • Redux6
    Redux6 Posts: 84 Member

    Not getting enough sodium can have dire consequences that are potentially as bad as getting too much of it.


    You need it to live.

    I found after dropping processed foods that I was adding salt to everything because I just wasn’t getting enough from a mostly whole food diet.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 10,366 Member

    Logging housework as exercise will promote weight loss.

  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,099 Member

    I don't think it's an exaggerated claim. Many people treat IF liike it's magic. I've even scene people claim fat loss in a surplus as long as they IF. Same with low carb…

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 10,366 Member
    edited October 30

    You do not need to reserve a swim lane so you have a private runway for aquafit.

    Three lanes are reserved for aquafit. These three lanes easily accomodate a full class of 20 with room to spare.

    Three precious and rare lanes are set aside for lap swimmers to reserve, or hopeful walk ups to take advantage of.

    Classes are seldom full. Evening lap lanes are full.

    Last night, there were only six other aquafit participants besides you and your friend, who were hogging a whole lap lane.

    You did not know, I was waiting for one of you to lean on the rope or kick underneath because I was going to take that opportunity to “accidentally” kick the snot out of you, because three hopeful walk-up swimmers were waiting around the poolside for the opportunity to snag a lane, one of which you were so selfishly hogging.

    Sheesh. People.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 10,366 Member

    and another one: coming to aquafit in full makeup, jewelry and hair done just so is ridiculous.

    Even worse is getting bent out of shape if your hair or makeup gets mussed up. In the pool. With people splashing about.

    Which you aren’t doing because you’re too worried about getting mussed up. Why are you even bothering?

    I get it. There’s a social aspect. But if you’re so damned worried, take your perfect coiff and full face of makeup to the delightful coffee shop around the corner.

    Give me a 🤬 break.

  • claireychn074
    claireychn074 Posts: 1,944 Member
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 38,196 Community Helper
    edited October 30

    I am so, so over the online influence-o-sphere hard-selling the idea that working out is all and only about status, looking cute (at or after the workout), getting skinny or getting jacked . . . and the commenters who dump vitriol on anyone who dares look or say anything different.

    Don't get me wrong: YOU work out to be jacked or cute or whatever? Cool. Go, you. Not everyone needs to have the same goals. Our looks are not our total human value. Grow up.

    (Yes, I think this relates to the aquafit in makeup post, in a small way.)

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 10,366 Member

    We have a much-loved local coffee shop, which is always jammed.

    Jammed with young mothers in super stylish of-.the-moment branded and color coordinated workout gear, with those Stanley (?) cup things, an armful of tasteful bracelets, long earrings, unblemished trainers, and the hairdo du jour.

    I’m not hating on those gals. They’re out, their kids are enjoying the sunshine and playground there, and they’re just doing what young people do. But it seriously tickles me. Everyone is so “perfect”. Even the guys all have the same male version of the uniform, right down to the nice brown leather not dress/not athletic shoes.

    Anyone remember the word soignée? It’s workout chic.

    I study, obvs, but am too tired and too old to emulate!

    I usually show up in sweaty, probably smelly by then, mismatched or brilliantly rainbow colored workout gear with ratty shoes and an expectant dog anxious for a squirrel cookie.