I do DVDs so I don't need to strength train
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Bump. 'Cause I want to reread this . Awesome.0
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Bumping this like a mug.
Read this post and re-read it ladies and gents.
Steve Troutman knows exactly what he's talking about and this post is 100% on the money.0 -
This post is seriously one of the major reasons I ditched the excessive cardio DVDs and started back at the gym.0
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Doesn't there come a point where the heath benefits of lifting are maximized, and any gains/additions are solely for the lifter's personal cosmetic/aesthetic goals? Why do I have to constantly be striving to work to fatigue and make my weights heavier.
I already think I'm doing enough to reap benefits, so is there any real health-based reason I have to do more? I'm using 10-25 lb dumbells for my upper body and a heavier barbell to work lower body.0 -
"I lift things up and put them down."
Somebody had to say it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGZvFZdVbk
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So is it too much weight if you're struggling to get to 5 or 6 reps? It seems to build my muscle fast, but I've always wondered if maybe that's too much for me or if that will cause problems when restructuring the muscle. It seems like if I can do 15, it isn't hard enough and I don't progress...0
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Doesn't there come a point where the heath benefits of lifting are maximized, and any gains/additions are solely for the lifter's personal cosmetic/aesthetic goals? Why do I have to constantly be striving to work to fatigue and make my weights heavier.
I already think I'm doing enough to reap benefits, so is there any real health-based reason I have to do more? I'm using 10-25 lb dumbells for my upper body and a heavier barbell to work lower body.
If you're with your current level of muscle and your current level of strength, then no, you certainly don't need to focus on progressing the weight from this point forward. I can't say that I've ever come across this, but I suppose there are some select nuances of the female population who are genetically gifted in the muscle department and don't need much "building" in order to attain the body that they desire.
Or, the body the desire is simply not the same as the typical body that most women are shooting for.
That said, getting strong safely, in my opinion, is one of the surefire ways to better your chances of independent living later in life.
Plus, we're working with a REgressive system - meaning our muscle mass and quality is going to diminish with age. Same can be said for our bones. So it makes a lot of sense to apply a PROgressive stimulus to offset these challenges that accompany aging.0 -
So is it too much weight if you're struggling to get to 5 or 6 reps? It seems to build my muscle fast, but I've always wondered if maybe that's too much for me or if that will cause problems when restructuring the muscle. It seems like if I can do 15, it isn't hard enough and I don't progress...
I actually prefer the 4-6 rep range for the foundational, big movements. Granted, I don't typically train to failure. But I use weights that are challenging in that rep zone. I'll also use the 6-12 rep zone for the other components of my programs.
The reps per set aren't as important as you might think. It's more important to use a challenging enough weight for enough total volume.0 -
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Glad you found this thread, Hanna. Based on your messages to me, I think the information here is right up your alley.0
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You have to know your limits first. The 1 rep maximum ( 1RM ) . From there "light, moderate, and heavy" lifting weights and sets can be derived. The 1RM needs to be continually retested, every 1-2 weeks. To measure progress and advance.
But the ultimate question is WHY strength train. Necessary for your job? Your choice of sport? Like to feel strong? Do you want visual vs functional strength ( huge topic in and of itself ).
The next question is WHAT is strong? Picking up and putting down larger numbers? Or is strong moving your body weight over any obstacle for a given time? I know plenty of iron beach body builders who cant get over a wall their height or get winded climbing stairs. Yet their physiques are absurd.
Personal goals first, the results follow. I switched entirely to body weight exercises, yoga, kettlebells, and clubbells. I'm much smaller in stature, but my strength has never been higher and I dont feel a plateau coming at all. All personal choices.0 -
You have to know your limits first. The 1 rep maximum ( 1RM ) . From there "light, moderate, and heavy" lifting weights and sets can be derived. The 1RM needs to be continually retested, every 1-2 weeks. To measure progress and advance.
I RARELY test 1RM in my own training. Or in my clients training. Can't say that I agree with this.0 -
You have to know your limits first. The 1 rep maximum ( 1RM ) . From there "light, moderate, and heavy" lifting weights and sets can be derived. The 1RM needs to be continually retested, every 1-2 weeks. To measure progress and advance.
I RARELY test 1RM in my own training. Or in my clients training. Can't say that I agree with this.
I use jefit and it calculates my 1RM from the reps and sets I do use, that way I never actually have to do them to see where I am.0 -
I have question I want to ask at the risk of sounding stupid. I still need to lose roughly 30/40 lbs per se. Should I wait until i get a little leaner before I attempt to lift heavy? Or go ahead and incorporate that into my training? For my cardio now, I currently do the dvd's like the JM30DS, Jackie Warner Xtreme Training and walking/Jogging, alternating daily.0
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Strength training is so much easier for me than cardio. If I could get rid of 1, it would be the cardio. I do both. Why would anyone not want to lift weights? :laugh:0
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I have question I want to ask at the risk of sounding stupid. I still need to lose roughly 30/40 lbs per se. Should I wait until i get a little leaner before I attempt to lift heavy? Or go ahead and incorporate that into my training? For my cardio now, I currently do the dvd's like the JM30DS, Jackie Warner Xtreme Training and walking/Jogging, alternating daily.
Why wait?
Among other things, strength training provides the stimulus that triggers muscle preservation while dieting. If you wait until you lose the fat, you miss out on this very important benefit.
An argument can be made that obese folks don't necessarily have to worry about it. They're a lot less likely to lose substantial muscle (though they will lose substantial lean body mass, since every pound they gain on their way toward obesity is part LBM).
But for most folks, I highly suggest diving into strength training from the get go.0 -
Strength training is so much easier for me than cardio. If I could get rid of 1, it would be the cardio. I do both. Why would anyone not want to lift weights? :laugh:
Different strokes for different folks. I accept that.
However, I'm of the same opinion. Conditioning work exists in my training in order to supplement my hobbies, of which include endurance based activities such as mountain biking, mountaineering/backpacking, etc.
But when I've gone through fat loss phases, which I don't really do anymore, I rarely did much cardio. At least not the traditional stuff. I figured nutrition could take care of the deficit part, which is required for fat loss. And in terms of exercise, nothing could take care of the muscle preservation stuff except for high intensity activities, such as strength training.
Sadly, many people don't realize this, and they neglect strength training in favor of the lower threshold, conditioning stuff simply because that's what they know best.0 -
Another question, I was looking at Bodybuilding.com and they have programs for women listed on there. Would this be a good place to start? Any suggestions or feedback on where to begin? I have substantial handweights. Light to heavier than I can lift with both hands) at home and a step that i can probably convert to an incline so I would like to try to do this at home. Is this realistic if I follow one of their programs? Thanks for the assist.0
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Another question, I was looking at Bodybuilding.com and they have programs for women listed on there. Would this be a good place to start? Any suggestions or feedback on where to begin? I have substantial handweights. Light to heavier than I can lift with both hands) at home and a step that i can probably convert to an incline so I would like to try to do this at home. Is this realistic if I follow one of their programs? Thanks for the assist.
I don't really like bb.com but admittedly, I've not been there in a long time. There might be some diamonds in the rough as far as programs go. If you'd like, you can link me to one you're thinking about and I'll take a look at it.
You'd do well reading these:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/stroutman81/view/resistance-training-foundation-19725
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/weight-training-for-fat-loss-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/weight-training-for-fat-loss-part-2.html
http://stronglifts.com/madcow/
http://www.ampedtraining.com/articles/ladies-guide-physique-training-part-1
http://www.ampedtraining.com/articles/ladies-guide-physique-training-part-2
http://www.ampedtraining.com/articles/5x5-routines-programming-training-system0 -
I have question I want to ask at the risk of sounding stupid. I still need to lose roughly 30/40 lbs per se. Should I wait until i get a little leaner before I attempt to lift heavy? Or go ahead and incorporate that into my training? For my cardio now, I currently do the dvd's like the JM30DS, Jackie Warner Xtreme Training and walking/Jogging, alternating daily.
Why wait?
Among other things, strength training provides the stimulus that triggers muscle preservation while dieting. If you wait until you lose the fat, you miss out on this very important benefit.
An argument can be made that obese folks don't necessarily have to worry about it. They're a lot less likely to lose substantial muscle (though they will lose substantial lean body mass, since every pound they gain on their way toward obesity is part LBM).
But for most folks, I highly suggest diving into strength training from the get go.
This question was meant for me..I have around 20 more pounds to lose and i want to start strength training...i am confused as to how to train on a deficit....do i eat more on training days or do i just continue with my same calorie deficit and lift heavy?0 -
I have question I want to ask at the risk of sounding stupid. I still need to lose roughly 30/40 lbs per se. Should I wait until i get a little leaner before I attempt to lift heavy? Or go ahead and incorporate that into my training? For my cardio now, I currently do the dvd's like the JM30DS, Jackie Warner Xtreme Training and walking/Jogging, alternating daily.
Why wait?
Among other things, strength training provides the stimulus that triggers muscle preservation while dieting. If you wait until you lose the fat, you miss out on this very important benefit.
An argument can be made that obese folks don't necessarily have to worry about it. They're a lot less likely to lose substantial muscle (though they will lose substantial lean body mass, since every pound they gain on their way toward obesity is part LBM).
But for most folks, I highly suggest diving into strength training from the get go.
This question was meant for me..I have around 20 more pounds to lose and i want to start strength training...i am confused as to how to train on a deficit....do i eat more on training days or do i just continue with my same calorie deficit and lift heavy?
i also have never strengh trained and i am 100% terrified at beginning...i think lean and fit is the best look, but its intimidating to start...i dont know where to begin....i feel like i do every move wrong.0 -
Well you have options.
You can read as much as you can from qualified sources so that you can understand the fundamentals. That way you can create and modify your own, individualized program as needed.
You can follow a pre-written, general program that's proven to be beneficial for people with similar goals as your own. The links I provided above would be a good place to start. You could try out the New Rules of Lifting book, which a lot of people around here seem to like. I'm not a huge fan, but whatever. You could read Mark Rippetoe's Practical Programming and/or Starting Strength books.
You could find a qualified trainer in your area and have him or her show you the ropes in terms of exercise form, programming, etc.
If you don't have that, you could hire an online trainer obtain programming and guidance... I'll even have my clients film themselves doing various movements for assessment purposes.
On and on it goes.
I'm also in the midst of writing an in-home strength training article. If I could ever muster up the motivation to finish it, I think it'd help you quite a bit.
But to answer your other question... you can keep calories static across the week. That way you're not muddying the waters more than you need to. If you find that you need a more cyclical approach, you can adjust accordingly down the road. But remember, you don't need to eat a surplus on the days that you life solely because you're lifting weights.
The goal is to lift weights to help with muscle preservation. It doesn't take much. A handful of exercises can cover the entire body, pretty much. And in theory, you can be in and out in 30 minutes doing something as simple as squats, bench, and rows. Just an example.0 -
Thanks for the info, I will read up on everything. Also here is the one program I was looking at earlier through bb.com.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/womans_lean_sexy_bible.htm
I appreciate the help sooooo much.0 -
Thanks for the info, I will read up on everything. Also here is the one program I was looking at earlier through bb.com.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/womans_lean_sexy_bible.htm
I appreciate the help sooooo much.
I am not going to read that entire article but a couple of random thoughts based on the exercises and program:
1. The form shown in the first deadlift picture is atrocious. See how the lower back is rounded? Don't do that. Ever.
2. It looks like a basic upper lower split where you train upper body twice and lower body twice, alternating between the two. I actually really like this structure. However, when it comes to dieting and preserving muscle while doing so, I prefer full body training 2-3 times per week.
3. Most of the exercises recommended are great. However, most beginners aren't going to be able to do them. They'll lack the ability due to lacking the strength or lacking the range of motion and/or body awareness. Which is why individualized programming is always best. Anyone can slap some good exercises down on paper. But applying a program safely and effectively to an individual is an entirely different matter.0 -
Bump. I need to find this again later when I have time to read all of it.0
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bump so I can read later.0
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