Milk

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  • Maximus0005
    Maximus0005 Posts: 85 Member
    Since we're all here to shread some fat, I'd say go for the 1% :)

    Probably a good call for me. I thoroughly enjoy milk in the morning so maybe not going all the way down to skim will help me drink it in moderation. I know when I drink skim I tend to drink a lot because of its much thinner consistency. I feel like it's a catch 22 because the lower the fat content the more I drink, and vice versa so it seems in the end to even out. I will just have to push myself to make sure to moderate it with a lower fat content.

    It kind of stinks because I am allergic to nuts so I can't try almond milk. But I think I'll give coconut a try (it's a fruit not a nut :-) ) although I know for me it won't be able to substitute regular milk.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    It kind of stinks because I am allergic to nuts so I can't try almond milk. But I think I'll give coconut a try (it's a fruit not a nut :-) ) although I know for me it won't be able to substitute regular milk.

    Try not to think of it as a substitute for regular milk, and enjoy it for its own delicious taste and texture! It's wonderful and creamy, and at 50 cals per cup, it's a great deal calorie-wise.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    There is no reason to drink whole milk.

    Absolutes are always wrong.

    Milk Ingestion Stimulates Net Muscle Protein Synthesis following Resistance Exercise

    ELLIOT, TABATHA A.; CREE, MELANIE G.; SANFORD, ARTHUR P.; WOLFE, ROBERT R.; TIPTON, KEVIN D.
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    Abstract

    Purpose: Previous studies have examined the response of muscle protein to resistance exercise and nutrient ingestion. Net muscle protein synthesis results from the combination of resistance exercise and amino acid intake. No study has examined the response of muscle protein to ingestion of protein in the context of a food. This study was designed to determine the response of net muscle protein balance following resistance exercise to ingestion of nutrients as components of milk.

    Method: Three groups of volunteers ingested one of three milk drinks each: 237 g of fat-free milk (FM), 237 g of whole milk (WM), and 393 g of fat-free milk isocaloric with the WM (IM). Milk was ingested 1 h following a leg resistance exercise routine. Net muscle protein balance was determined by measuring amino acid balance across the leg.

    Results: Arterial concentrations of representative amino acids increased in response to milk ingestion. Threonine balance and phenylalanine balance were both > 0 following milk ingestion. Net amino acid uptake for threonine was 2.8-fold greater (P < 0.05) for WM than for FM. Mean uptake of phenylalanine was 80 and 85% greater for WM and IM, respectively, than for FM, but not statistically different. Threonine uptake relative to ingested was significantly (P < 0.05) higher for WM (21 ± 6%) than FM (11 ± 5%), but not IM (12 ± 3%). Mean phenylalanine uptake/ingested also was greatest for WM, but not significantly.

    Conclusions: Ingestion of milk following resistance exercise results in phenylalanine and threonine uptake, representative of net muscle protein synthesis. These results suggest that whole milk may have increased utilization of available amino acids for protein synthesis.
  • amandabrady
    amandabrady Posts: 203 Member
    Milk is healthy? Did you get this information from the national "we sell milk, and we say its healthy" council?


    This pretty much sums it up. I have grown up on the stuff but since cutting it almost out of my diet now I am feeling way better! I've subbed in plain almond milk now for times when I still need milk.
  • Dgaines54
    Dgaines54 Posts: 21
    Take Tums for calcium. 2 Tablets is 10 calories and 80% of your DV of calcium.

    Personally I use light vanilla soy milk in my cereal. The taste is great (personal opinion), and its nutritional numbers are hands down better than any cow milk (fact).
  • khotch1
    khotch1 Posts: 99 Member
    I'm with Sbiesel. Don't know how to do the quote thing so just agreeing to an extent.

    I drink skim milk (organic) and I drink it because I like it and I want some calcium which I know I also get through a lot of other things I eat. For me..I notice when I consume milk and yogurt my waist line wittles away quicker then when I don't (I'm not talking scale I'm talking actual measurements).

    Whatever the controversy on any single subject you can always find what you're looking for, it just depends on who YOU agree with!

    If you like it then drink it period! Just make sure you log it and you're good 2 go!
  • live2dream
    live2dream Posts: 614 Member
    Milk- it doesn't do a body good. It creates an acidic environment in your body which actually leaches calcium from your bones in an attempt to alkalize the body. Countries that consume the highest rates of dairy products have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Calcium from plants is much easier for the body to absorb.

    Plus up to 400 million pus cells allowed in every litre as a result of diseased animals...mmmm healthy.

    Our bodies don't produce the enzymes to process lactose after age two... all beings are only meant to drink milk during infancy. So this creates all kinds of havoc on our bodies that we don't even realize- some people are more sensitive than others (lactose intolerant) but really we are all lactose intolerant.

    Not to mention, if you don't drink organic milk, it has all sorts of hormones and pesticides in it.
  • mrsdizzyd84
    mrsdizzyd84 Posts: 422 Member
    I drink organic 1% or 2% if I can't get 1%. I'm Lactose intolerant, so my choices are limited to lactose free milk. Dairy is a required part of the diet my doctor put me on for my HBP. It's a great source of calcium, protein, and potassium all of which I am regularly deficient in.

    The only reasons I don't drink whole milk are because I think it tastes awful and it adds calories I don't need or want.

    I really couldn't care less about the milk wars peeing contest that is jumping off in this thread. I think a lot of folks here just like to argue for argument's sake.
  • Rilke
    Rilke Posts: 1,201 Member
    I only use whole milk -- unhomogenized when possible, and only lightly pasteurized. The calcium, vitamin D, etc. in whole milk are real, not synthesized and added.

    I don't really care that whole milk is higher in calories, fat, etc. My philosophy is to stick with food that is closest to its unadulterated state from nature.
  • JoolieW68
    JoolieW68 Posts: 1,879 Member
    I drink 1-2 cups of 1% milk every day, and have managed to *somehow* lose a ton of weight. Guess it must be awful for me. This 3rd eye that's growing out of my forehead is the proof.

    Lighten up.

    If you like it, and you're not allergic or lactose intolerant, drink it. If you don't like it, don't drink it.
  • jennajava
    jennajava Posts: 2,176 Member
    Whole milk has higher cholesterol.

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/cholesterol/whole-milk-and-high-cholesterol.htm
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    Whole milk has higher cholesterol.

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/cholesterol/whole-milk-and-high-cholesterol.htm

    For the majority of the population, dietary cholesterol has a negligible effect on blood lipids.
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.
  • stylistchik
    stylistchik Posts: 1,436 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.

    How nifty! I love fun facts!
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    And good gravy on the almond milk > cow's milk claim.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with cow's milk unless you're lactose intolerant. It's just proteins and sugars and fats. If you're worried about hormones and antibiotics, there's organic milk from cows that haven't been treated with that stuff. If you're worried about the ethics of consuming animal products, then that's fine, go vegan. But at least be honest about it and don't try to twist science to fit your own personal bias.

    I get so tired of the proselytizing.
  • Rilke
    Rilke Posts: 1,201 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.

    Not when you buy it right from the farmer :)
  • Rilke
    Rilke Posts: 1,201 Member
    Whole milk has higher cholesterol.

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/cholesterol/whole-milk-and-high-cholesterol.htm

    For the majority of the population, dietary cholesterol has a negligible effect on blood lipids.

    This is probably the #1 nutrition fact I wish everyone would get through their heads. So tired of repeated myths :/
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.

    Not when you buy it right from the farmer :)

    True :)

    But in the grocery store, it's all 3.5% milk fat (if I remember right).
  • jennajava
    jennajava Posts: 2,176 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.

    Not when you buy it right from the farmer :)

    Yum, e. coli.
  • echoica
    echoica Posts: 339 Member
    I LOVE SOY MILK. I always feel sluggish when I have dairy. And chocolate almond milk ice cold is one of my FAVORITE treats. I'm not against milk but we are the only animal that continues to drink another animals milk.......not to mention all the crazy antibiotics they give the cows to prevent sickness.

    nicely said ;)
  • stylistchik
    stylistchik Posts: 1,436 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.

    Not when you buy it right from the farmer :)

    Yum, e. coli.

    If you're worried about E. Coli then you probably shouldn't be drinking any milk
  • Dgaines54
    Dgaines54 Posts: 21
    And good gravy on the almond milk > cow's milk claim.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with cow's milk unless you're lactose intolerant. It's just proteins and sugars and fats.

    And growth hormones. And whatever else they put in the cows to make them produce more milk.
  • kykykenna
    kykykenna Posts: 656 Member
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    And growth hormones. And whatever else they put in the cows to make them produce more milk.
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    I have to say something about this one....I believe in the freedom of choice and wont shun anyone for their choices. We produce milk on our farm. HORMONE FREE. ANTIBIOTIC FREE. Cant vouch for others, or Big Ag farms, but we do not. Nor do we believe in it. They are NOT all the same. And I apologize for going off your original question, OP. :)
  • Rilke
    Rilke Posts: 1,201 Member
    Skim milk is just milk with the fat removed. No additives. Not processed any different than other milk- in the US it's all pasteurized the same.

    Here's some trivia for you (I learned this when touring a dairy and milk-processing plant for a class I took back when I thought I wanted to be a veterinarian): "Whole milk" is not really whole-from-the-cow. They harvest the milk, take the fat off (so it all becomes skim) then add back a standardized amount of fat. Why do they do this? Because every cow's milk has a different fat percentage and they want the fat percentage of "whole milk" to be the same in every gallon.

    Not when you buy it right from the farmer :)

    Yum, e. coli.

    Please educate yourself before spouting junk. While there is a greater chance of E. coli being present in raw milk than in pasteurized milk, *no* milk has ever been responsible for a large-scale E. coli outbreak (like, say, improperly handled beef has). Raw milk purchased from diligent farmers who handle their animals and products correctly should have no problems.

    Anyway, if you had read my other post, you would have seen that I drink lightly pasteurized milk.
  • Dgaines54
    Dgaines54 Posts: 21
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    And growth hormones. And whatever else they put in the cows to make them produce more milk.

    I have to say something about this one....I believe in the freedom of choice and wont shun anyone for their choices. We produce milk on our farm. HORMONE FREE. ANTIBIOTIC FREE. Cant vouch for others, or Big Ag farms, but we do not. Nor do we believe in it. They are NOT all the same.
    [/quote]

    Mlik is Milk

    Certified hormone free, antibiotic free milk is not milk. You're right. The OP, and most of this thread talk about "Milk", and most people should assume milk = milk + hormones + antibiotics. (Just like you should assume produce is not organic, unless its labeled organic.)
  • HisPathDaily
    HisPathDaily Posts: 672 Member
    Oh no ... not another milk debate ... *smashing head on desk* ...
  • Pollywog39
    Pollywog39 Posts: 1,730 Member
    I LOVE MILK!!!!! AND I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT!!!!! MILK FROM A COW!!!!!! YIPEEEE FOR MILK!!!!

    MILK LOVERS UNITE!

    I like 1% personally :)
    and chocolate chip cookies warm from the oven, along WITH my milk!

    nummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy!
  • agthorn
    agthorn Posts: 1,844 Member
    Almond milk is a tasty beverage in its own right, but I don't really consider it a milk substitute because it has almost no protein. I've developed a slight degree of lactose intolerance as I've gotten older (nearly everyone in my family has it to some degree, so I'm not surprised) and found that soy milk is my replacement of choice. Slightly fewer calories and grams of sugar per cup, healthy unsaturated fats, and 8g of protein.
  • Rilke
    Rilke Posts: 1,201 Member
    I LOVE MILK!!!!! AND I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT!!!!! MILK FROM A COW!!!!!! YIPEEEE FOR MILK!!!!

    MILK LOVERS UNITE!

    I like 1% personally :)
    and chocolate chip cookies warm from the oven, along WITH my milk!

    nummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy!

    Now I want warm cookies. . . .
  • BackwoodsMom
    BackwoodsMom Posts: 227 Member
    Doubt there will ever be agreement on this topic! :tongue: To each his own.

    We get our milk straight from the farm - where it's tested more than the milk in the stores!

    I let the cream come to the top, take it off to make butter and buttermilk. Now, I've got a lowfat version of raw milk with all the good stuff still there. We also make our own yogurt from this milk and it's delicious! Don't think we'll ever drink store bought milk again on a regular basis.

    (I've also read that some people who are lactose intolerant can tolerate raw milk because of the natural enzymes that are still there.)
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