Low Calories, or Low Carbs? What is better.....

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  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member


    Without insulin secretion, you can eat 5000 calories or more of fat each day and not gain any weight because the fat cannot easily be stored (you won't lose much weight either).

    Please put down the Taubes books and inform yourself. Ever hear of acylation stimulating protein?
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679


    Without insulin secretion, you can eat 5000 calories or more of fat each day and not gain any weight because the fat cannot easily be stored (you won't lose much weight either).

    Please put down the Taubes books and inform yourself. Ever hear of acylation stimulating protein?

    Here's a link of some blogger trying to use the ASP argument to debunk Taubes.

    http://slowburnfitness.com/fat-regulation-insulin-or-asp/
  • chevy88grl
    chevy88grl Posts: 3,937 Member
    For me, it is all about calories in/calories out.

    My body LOVES carbs and doesn't have an issue with the almost 300g of them I consume in a day. I tried low carb a long time ago - I gained weight and felt awful. As soon as I added carbs back in, I felt better and I dropped the weight I gained while trying out the low carb lifestyle.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member


    Without insulin secretion, you can eat 5000 calories or more of fat each day and not gain any weight because the fat cannot easily be stored (you won't lose much weight either).

    Please put down the Taubes books and inform yourself. Ever hear of acylation stimulating protein?

    Here's a link of some blogger trying to use the ASP argument to debunk Taubes.

    http://slowburnfitness.com/fat-regulation-insulin-or-asp/

    and that link did not touch on if fat can be stored without the presence of insulin due to ASP

    so if you eat in a caloric surplus but it's all fat, where does the excess energy go?
  • chevy88grl
    chevy88grl Posts: 3,937 Member
    Really? You certainly can overeat and gain weight on any food. It's all about calories in vs calories out.


    I eat a very low carb diet. 700 grams a day is way too much. You can't lose weight on that much carbs.
    I've put what I've learned down on a blog. I hope you will take the time to look.

    I'm glad that you figured out what works for YOU, but stop assuming that just because you figured out what your body wants that everyone else's body is exactly the same. Low carb doesn't work for me. I feel like crap and I gain weight. I can consume 300g of carbs a day and easily maintain my weight. Heck, I was consuming around 300g of carbs during the height of my weight loss. My body LOVES carbs.

    Weight loss isn't a one size fits all journey. It isn't black and white. If it were that easy - NO ONE would be overweight. Again, I'm glad you've found success - but, don't be so close minded to assume that what you've done would work for everyone else.
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    Really? You certainly can overeat and gain weight on any food. It's all about calories in vs calories out.


    I eat a very low carb diet. 700 grams a day is way too much. You can't lose weight on that much carbs.
    I've put what I've learned down on a blog. I hope you will take the time to look.

    I'm glad that you figured out what works for YOU, but stop assuming that just because you figured out what your body wants that everyone else's body is exactly the same. Low carb doesn't work for me. I feel like crap and I gain weight. I can consume 300g of carbs a day and easily maintain my weight. Heck, I was consuming around 300g of carbs during the height of my weight loss. My body LOVES carbs.

    Weight loss isn't a one size fits all journey. It isn't black and white. If it were that easy - NO ONE would be overweight. Again, I'm glad you've found success - but, don't be so close minded to assume that what you've done would work for everyone else.

    300g is not an excessive amount of carbs. The problem with 60% of Americans being overweight/obese is that they cannot limit themselves to 300g because they are addicted to them. If you can eat 300g and not feel starving at the end of the day, then you won't have a problem with obesity like so many others.
  • RAFValentina
    RAFValentina Posts: 1,231 Member
    It's all about a balanced diet. And something sustainable, and ultimately not eating more energy than youy are expending, and creating an ENERGY deficit to lose weight. Compostition of what you eat may affect your "energy" levels in terms of a feeling of having energy, not the literal sense of the word. Eating healthily and a balanced diet will allow your body to gain essential nutrients to sustain a healthy metabolism, heart, tissues etc.

    Forget all the fad crap, and use good old fashioned common sense and logic. It's a lot less complicated than you think plus listening t your body helps a lot too. After a big run I sometimes crave carbohydrates and sugars...and rightly so! I've just used a whole load of stores and as a regular runner it wants to make sure I have enough "easy" energy as possible to go again!
  • floweringcurrant
    floweringcurrant Posts: 112 Member
    I think I lost more weight doing low carbs, but low calories is WAY easier for me to maintain, therefor the better option.
    I don't eat very many processed grains at all, but I think if I did it would affect my weight loss negatively.
    I couldn't eat low carb again, though, because eating so much dairy and high protein was hard on my body,
    and eliminating things like fruit and certain vegetables and grains sucked big time for me.
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    Forget all the fad crap, and use good old fashioned common sense and logic. It's a lot less complicated than you think plus listening t your body helps a lot too. After a big run I sometimes crave carbohydrates and sugars...and rightly so! I've just used a whole load of stores and as a regular runner it wants to make sure I have enough "easy" energy as possible to go again!

    When people listen to what their body wants, they overeat and become obese when following the recommendations of organizations that are supposed to know about diet and nutrition. Sure as an endurance runner myself, my body rightfully wants me to weigh 200 lbs? For what, so I can get injured from all the pounding on my joints? No, because my body is addicted to foods that it is not designed to eat. Primitive human civilizations did NOT have access to carbohydrates the way they do today.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Primitive human civilizations did NOT have access to carbohydrates the way they do today.

    Yet they still managed to consume about 50% of daily kcal in cho...

    Eaton et al. Paleolithi­c nutrition revisited: A twelve-yea­r retrospect­ive on its nature and implicatio­ns. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1997) 51, 207±216

    "The typical carbohydra­te intake of ancestral humans was similar in magnitude, 45±50% of daily energy, to that in
    current affuent nations, but there was a marked qualitativ­e difference­."
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Forget all the fad crap, and use good old fashioned common sense and logic. It's a lot less complicated than you think plus listening t your body helps a lot too. After a big run I sometimes crave carbohydrates and sugars...and rightly so! I've just used a whole load of stores and as a regular runner it wants to make sure I have enough "easy" energy as possible to go again!

    When people listen to what their body wants, they overeat and become obese when following the recommendations of organizations that are supposed to know about diet and nutrition. Sure as an endurance runner myself, my body rightfully wants me to weigh 200 lbs? For what, so I can get injured from all the pounding on my joints? No, because my body is addicted to foods that it is not designed to eat. Primitive human civilizations did NOT have access to carbohydrates the way they do today.

    Most people become obese due to sedentary lifestyles more than through overeating carbs. When it comes to carbs the type matters much more than the amount.
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679


    Without insulin secretion, you can eat 5000 calories or more of fat each day and not gain any weight because the fat cannot easily be stored (you won't lose much weight either).

    Please put down the Taubes books and inform yourself. Ever hear of acylation stimulating protein?

    Here's a link of some blogger trying to use the ASP argument to debunk Taubes.

    http://slowburnfitness.com/fat-regulation-insulin-or-asp/

    and that link did not touch on if fat can be stored without the presence of insulin due to ASP

    so if you eat in a caloric surplus but it's all fat, where does the excess energy go?

    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolic-advantage/thermodynamics-and-the-metabolic-advantage/
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member


    Without insulin secretion, you can eat 5000 calories or more of fat each day and not gain any weight because the fat cannot easily be stored (you won't lose much weight either).

    Please put down the Taubes books and inform yourself. Ever hear of acylation stimulating protein?

    Here's a link of some blogger trying to use the ASP argument to debunk Taubes.

    http://slowburnfitness.com/fat-regulation-insulin-or-asp/

    and that link did not touch on if fat can be stored without the presence of insulin due to ASP

    so if you eat in a caloric surplus but it's all fat, where does the excess energy go?

    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolic-advantage/thermodynamics-and-the-metabolic-advantage/

    again educate yourself, there is no metabolic advantage to low carb diets as have been repeatedly shown in controlled metabolic ward studies

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/20/10/1104.full.pdf

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/21/11/1291.full.pdf

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4480.full

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968851

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2319073
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    Forget all the fad crap, and use good old fashioned common sense and logic. It's a lot less complicated than you think plus listening t your body helps a lot too. After a big run I sometimes crave carbohydrates and sugars...and rightly so! I've just used a whole load of stores and as a regular runner it wants to make sure I have enough "easy" energy as possible to go again!

    When people listen to what their body wants, they overeat and become obese when following the recommendations of organizations that are supposed to know about diet and nutrition. Sure as an endurance runner myself, my body rightfully wants me to weigh 200 lbs? For what, so I can get injured from all the pounding on my joints? No, because my body is addicted to foods that it is not designed to eat. Primitive human civilizations did NOT have access to carbohydrates the way they do today.

    Most people become obese due to sedentary lifestyles more than through overeating carbs. When it comes to carbs the type matters much more than the amount.

    Except most people who start exercising to lose weight will not lose weight because they will also increase their food intake to offset the new energy demands. If they consciously eat less while exercising more, they will feel like they are hungry all the time, and we all know its an unsustainable way to live.

    But I agree refined carbs are worse than more complex carbs such as fruits and whole grains. However there IS still a metabolic advantage to eating low carb, and its debatable whether complex carbs are much better than refined carbs anyways. As someone who is addicted to carbs, I'd rather error on the side of eating less overall carbs since the human body does not need them.
  • dawnemjh
    dawnemjh Posts: 1,465 Member
    bump to read later
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679


    Without insulin secretion, you can eat 5000 calories or more of fat each day and not gain any weight because the fat cannot easily be stored (you won't lose much weight either).

    Please put down the Taubes books and inform yourself. Ever hear of acylation stimulating protein?

    Here's a link of some blogger trying to use the ASP argument to debunk Taubes.

    http://slowburnfitness.com/fat-regulation-insulin-or-asp/

    and that link did not touch on if fat can be stored without the presence of insulin due to ASP

    so if you eat in a caloric surplus but it's all fat, where does the excess energy go?

    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolic-advantage/thermodynamics-and-the-metabolic-advantage/

    again educate yourself, there is no metabolic advantage to low carb diets as have been repeatedly shown in controlled metabolic ward studies

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/20/10/1104.full.pdf

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/21/11/1291.full.pdf

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4480.full

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968851

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2319073

    I'm not going to argue about what expert opinions or studies are valid and which aren't, because Taubes put a lot of effort into doing just that. My own anecdotal experience is that low carb diets are the path of least resistance to losing weight and being healthier.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I'm not going to argue about what expert opinions or studies are valid and which aren't, because Taubes put a lot of effort into doing just that.

    So, you believe this one guy's opinion over the many doctors and scientists that conducted clinical studies and published them for review by other (often rival) experts in the field. You think this one guy, who I understand is not a scientist or doctor, is right and everyone else wrong. And now you want us to believe you. Is that the gist?
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Most people become obese due to sedentary lifestyles more than through overeating carbs. When it comes to carbs the type matters much more than the amount.
    Except most people who start exercising to lose weight will not lose weight because they will also increase their food intake to offset the new energy demands. If they consciously eat less while exercising more, they will feel like they are hungry all the time, and we all know its an unsustainable way to live.

    But I agree refined carbs are worse than more complex carbs such as fruits and whole grains. However there IS still a metabolic advantage to eating low carb, and its debatable whether complex carbs are much better than refined carbs anyways. As someone who is addicted to carbs, I'd rather error on the side of eating less overall carbs since the human body does not need them.

    Define "most". What percentage of people who start exercising to lose weight, don't lose weight? It seems as if you are simply making a bunch of generalizations based on nothing other than the fact that you have a food addiction.
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    I'm not going to argue about what expert opinions or studies are valid and which aren't, because Taubes put a lot of effort into doing just that.

    So, you believe this one guy's opinion over the many doctors and scientists that conducted clinical studies and published them for review by other (often rival) experts in the field. You think this one guy, who I understand is not a scientist or doctor, is right and everyone else wrong. And now you want us to believe you. Is that the gist?

    Uh no, because that is what 100 pages of references in his book to real journals and studies by real scientists is all about. Taubes doesn't claim to be an expert scientist, he just took the work of others and presented what he finds to be the reality about diet and nutrition.

    There are tons of people with doctorate credentials who back up what Taubes wrote in his books.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    again educate yourself, there is no metabolic advantage to low carb diets as have been repeatedly shown in controlled metabolic ward studies

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/20/10/1104.full.pdf

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/21/11/1291.full.pdf

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4480.full

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968851

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2319073

    I'm not going to argue about what expert opinions or studies are valid and which aren't, because Taubes put a lot of effort into doing just that. My own anecdotal experience is that low carb diets are the path of least resistance to losing weight and being healthier.

    And Taubes conveniently left out all the evidence and research that goes against his insulin theory of obesity. Why doesn't Taubes recommend eating low protein and low carb as protein is insulinogenic as well?

    Look at table 4 and pay attention to the protein rich foods and their insulin AUC. compare beef and fish to lets say pasta

    An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods

    American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 66, 1264-1276

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf

    also read

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I'm not going to argue about what expert opinions or studies are valid and which aren't, because Taubes put a lot of effort into doing just that.

    So, you believe this one guy's opinion over the many doctors and scientists that conducted clinical studies and published them for review by other (often rival) experts in the field. You think this one guy, who I understand is not a scientist or doctor, is right and everyone else wrong. And now you want us to believe you. Is that the gist?

    Uh no, because that is what 100 pages of references in his book to real journals and studies by real scientists is all about. Taubes doesn't claim to be an expert scientist, he just took the work of others and presented what he finds to be the reality about diet and nutrition.

    There are tons of people with doctorate credentials who back up what Taubes wrote in his books.

    "tons of people" Is that because there are a lot of them, or just a one or two that eat carbs?
  • mrsjennifermaffei
    mrsjennifermaffei Posts: 469
    I've noticed that when I count calories, bread and pasta are often up there and so I naturally back off that stuff anyway.
    You will be a low carb eater and a low cal eater in the end, it works out ;-)
  • kristilovescake
    kristilovescake Posts: 669 Member
    For ME, it's low calories and eating less processed foods, so it ends up being lower carbs, but I only recently started tracking (out of curiosity).

    I lose weight a LOT easier if I eat whole and homemade foods. Skip the fast food, avoid empty white breads and pastas, and try to eat food closer to the source.

    Good luck figuring out what works for you :)
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    Most people become obese due to sedentary lifestyles more than through overeating carbs. When it comes to carbs the type matters much more than the amount.
    Except most people who start exercising to lose weight will not lose weight because they will also increase their food intake to offset the new energy demands. If they consciously eat less while exercising more, they will feel like they are hungry all the time, and we all know its an unsustainable way to live.

    But I agree refined carbs are worse than more complex carbs such as fruits and whole grains. However there IS still a metabolic advantage to eating low carb, and its debatable whether complex carbs are much better than refined carbs anyways. As someone who is addicted to carbs, I'd rather error on the side of eating less overall carbs since the human body does not need them.

    Define "most". What percentage of people who start exercising to lose weight, don't lose weight? It seems as if you are simply making a bunch of generalizations based on nothing other than the fact that you have a food addiction.

    It is very well known that exercise alone is not an effective way to lose weight. Diet is far more important, and the problem is people are told that cutting calories is the solution, but it is not because it is unsustainable.
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    I'm not going to argue about what expert opinions or studies are valid and which aren't, because Taubes put a lot of effort into doing just that.

    So, you believe this one guy's opinion over the many doctors and scientists that conducted clinical studies and published them for review by other (often rival) experts in the field. You think this one guy, who I understand is not a scientist or doctor, is right and everyone else wrong. And now you want us to believe you. Is that the gist?

    Uh no, because that is what 100 pages of references in his book to real journals and studies by real scientists is all about. Taubes doesn't claim to be an expert scientist, he just took the work of others and presented what he finds to be the reality about diet and nutrition.

    There are tons of people with doctorate credentials who back up what Taubes wrote in his books.

    "tons of people" Is that because there are a lot of them, or just a one or two that eat carbs?

    You're obviously quite ignorant on the subject and don't know anything about Taubes' work.
  • nixon76k
    nixon76k Posts: 48
    I avoid sugars and refined grains, as those are empty carbs and calories, and actually, they increase my appetite. I eat fruits, vegetables, legumes, and whole grains.

    I keep my calories under control as well. So you have to watch both, but make sure you eat enough complex carbs to sustain yourself.

    I agree with the above quote. Watching calories, especially those empty carbs and watching your fats... Carbs are vital for energy, and you can get good carbs through veggies and fruits, and still keep it low fat. Isn't the fat what we are all trying to lose anyway? Give your body the energy to burn it off with good carbs. :)
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    It is very well known that exercise alone is not an effective way to lose weight. Diet is far more important, and the problem is people are told that cutting calories is the solution, but it is not because it is unsustainable.

    guess what, low carb diets work exactly the same as all over diets, a caloric deficit
  • thelovelyLIZ
    thelovelyLIZ Posts: 1,227 Member
    I personally worry more about my calories than carbs. As far as carbs are concerned, I just make sure I eat as many good carbs and possible, and very few bad ones. I try to stick to whole grain, oatmeal, etc.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    You're obviously quite ignorant on the subject and don't know anything about Taubes' work.

    lol lol lol calling someone ignorant and then referencing Taubes work lol
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    You're obviously quite ignorant on the subject and don't know anything about Taubes' work.

    lol lol lol calling someone ignorant and then referencing Taubes work lol

    If you're going to criticize Taubes' work, then you must also criticize all the people with MD and PhD degrees who also believe the same things. Why should I believe what you say is the truth over them?
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