Low Carb Eating

Acg67 · January 2012

People like AGC67 are why I very rarely post or ask questions in the forums. I have learned better than to answer questions here. Not sure why I did.

Bye all!

yes, how dare someone question something you posted, esp considering it was incorrect.

dls06 · January 2012

People like AGC67 are why I very rarely post or ask questions in the forums. I have learned better than to answer questions here. Not sure why I did.

Bye all!

Because we are all entitled to have an opinion. Theirs is no better then yours. Thats why they make Vanilla and Chocolate. :flowerforyou:

nnapieralski · January 2012

One would think that these message boards are a place to cheer on and support others, not tell them that their lifestyle choices are wrong. Honestly, if you look hard enough....you can find "evidence" to support almost any opinion, diet, or work out routine. It's up to the individual person to find what works best for them. It's not for us to tell them that they are wrong. I don't care if your eating habits consist of water and bologna sandwiches. If that's what you want to do...go for it. Hope it works.

dls06 · January 2012

One would think that these message boards are a place to cheer on and support others, not tell them that their lifestyle choices are wrong. Honestly, if you look hard enough....you can find "evidence" to support almost any opinion, diet, or work out routine. It's up to the individual person to find what works best for them. It's not for us to tell them that they are wrong. I don't care if your eating habits consist of water and bologna sandwiches. If that's what you want to do...go for it. Hope it works.

After you've been here for a while you will see how passionate people are about their diets.

The great carb debate is the worst. I've seen it go on for days.........................................Until it was shut down.
Keeps it interesting.

neanderthin · January 2012

Yup. Unfortunately sometimes people confuse science with preference. While science is for the most part understood and why people chime in with busting the many myths surrounding nutrition on these boards, this has nothing to do with someone preferring one diet over the other..........there's no metabolic advatage for any of them....I consume a lower carb diet (200g's a day +/-) which I prefer based on the fact I'll binge eat carbs given the chance and my current diet has totally cured me of that and now I can concentrate on what I want as opposed to what I can't control. Others will prefer a high carb diet, or Keto.......like I said it's the misinformation that needs to be coraled and Acg does a good job and obviously people get their nose out of joint as opposed to actually doing more research........personally I like this quote " Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."

suzzee2000 · January 2012

I love low carb way of eating.....I'm another one that has to eat this way to be healthy...
Be it everyone has their own opinion, this one is mine.
I have had 2 Doctors tell me this is the way I should be eating, so I am and have more energy than I have in a long time!
That being said each one of us need to find what works for yourself there's lots of good info out there!
Don't forget in truth....one size does not fit all!

MissKim · January 2012

Hahaha! Thanks. I did a lot of research before I started changing the way I eat, so it's not as if I'm just jumping in on the latest "diet" fad. I got back in to working out in September and I've been counting calories for over a month now simply as a way to get a good idea of what I take in. I had already cut out junk food, so reducing carbs was the next logical step (at least to me after all my readings).

I've lost a lot of inches, but only 5 lbs because I've built up some solid muscle in my arms and back. I'm hoping that tweaking my diet will help me get to a healthier weight.

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MissKim · January 2012

Ignore the haters

Honestly, don't even reply to them...it just feeds the fire. Some people have nothing better to do with their time than cause drama. Just know that you have plenty of people that eat just like you here to support you!

Grokette · January 2012

I'm almost through my first week of eating low carb. It's been relatively easy but it does take a lot of self control and fair amount to planning. I'm going through the carb "withdrawal": grumpiness, fatigue, lack of concentration, etc. It hasn't been too bad, but I have noticed a difference. The biggest difference I've noticed is that the length of my cardio workouts have decreased. I was doing 30 to 35 min on the elliptical at 5.5mph, but now I'm down to 20 min at 5.0 mph and I'm DEAD! My boyfriend (a runner) said it's because my body is adjusting to not having carbs to use for energy. I haven't built up the enzymes that burn fat yet, and until I do....my cardio will continue to be slow and harder than usual.

Have any other low carb eaters experienced this?

No, my experience was quite the opposite.

You don't want to do very much cardio training anyway. Read up about chronic cardio and how it ages you and the risk of energy to the bones, joints, ligaments, etc is very high. Marks Daily apple is a great resource.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/case-against-cardio/

Focus on strength training with some occasional sprints. And walking at a slow pace is great!

Grokette · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

Wow, I guess I had more than 100 pounds of water weight and no fat weight when I lost 100 pounds on Atkins in 2003.

And I can eat the same amount of calories on a Standard eating plan and gain weight where as with low carb I lose weight.

Explain that?

neanderthin · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

Wow, I guess I had more than 100 pounds of water weight and no fat weight when I lost 100 pounds on Atkins in 2003.

And I can eat the same amount of calories on a Standard eating plan and gain weight where as with low carb I lose weight.

Explain that?

You first.

Acg67 · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

Wow, I guess I had more than 100 pounds of water weight and no fat weight when I lost 100 pounds on Atkins in 2003.

And I can eat the same amount of calories on a Standard eating plan and gain weight where as with low carb I lose weight.

Explain that?

Wow! your reading comprehension is atrocious

dls06 · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

Wow, I guess I had more than 100 pounds of water weight and no fat weight when I lost 100 pounds on Atkins in 2003.

And I can eat the same amount of calories on a Standard eating plan and gain weight where as with low carb I lose weight.

Explain that?

I was just wondering if you had trouble staying on Atkins or do you still do it? Have you kept the weight off? It would benefit a lot of people who are trying to lose with this method. I have had success with lower healthy carbs. but not no carb. I just couldn't do it. Thanks.:flowerforyou:

trybefan · January 2012

I did low carb for 3 months, lost 32 pounds, went back to eating a regular lo-fat diet and eventualy gained it back. Got tired of that crap, focused ONLY on consuming less calories, working out 6x week, and have lost 20 lbs and feel 100% better than the lo carb. The last time I counted a carb was....hell, who knows.

misslizz6958 · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

do you get off on trolling the low carb threads?

Acg67 · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

do you get off on trolling the low carb threads?

I sense you disagree and think low carb diets have a metabolic advantage? I simply responded to someone's nonsensical statement

misslizz6958 · January 2012

I sense that low carb diets don't work for you and you make sure everyone knows it. I also sense you have tunnel vision when it comes to studies. Every low carb thread I've read tonight at some point you jump in. LEAVE US ALONE. U and I are both in about the same shape and we got there different ways. Different things work for different people. There's more advantages to low carb then just weight loss

O I also sense youre THAT guy at the gym. Just a feeling

Acg67 · January 2012

I sense that low carb diets don't work for you and you make sure everyone knows it. I also sense you have tunnel vision when it comes to studies. Every low carb thread I've read tonight at some point you jump in. LEAVE US ALONE. Ulu and I are both in about the same shape and we got there different ways. There's more advantages to low carb then just weight loss

I've run low carb diets just fine, all diets work the same way, a caloric deficit. The studies that i've posted have been tightly controlled metabolic ward studies, if you care to dispute it, go ahead.

So according to you, it's better to let people be ignorant and spread misinformation vs informing people?

juliapurpletoes · January 2012

There is truth in calories in and calories out, but most people do not take into account the inefficency of burning ketones vs glucose. Ketobodies have fewer available calories by weight than fat, so it takes more to yield the same number of burnable calories. That is why low carb dieting is so fast. Often faster than fasting, which your body will go after muscle tissue first.

Too bad low carb/keto diets have no metabolic advantage. Any initial faster weight loss vs a mixed diet is water weight, and studies have shown greater fat loss on a mixed diet vs low carb diet holding calories constant

Depends on the study and the actual amount of carbs. Many of the studies never lowered the carbs to the level to induce dietary ketosis. There are many studies that show the opposite. Like I said, pick a "religion".

The "advantage" is fact that a ketone body is an inefficient fuel source. When a gram fatty acid is converted to a KB it contains 7 calories. A gram of fat has 9. This means that the normal pound of fat has less than 3500 calories once converted.

Controlled metabolic ward studies showing no advantage,

http://www.ajcn.org/content/20/10/1104.full.pdf

http://www.ajcn.org/content/21/11/1291.full.pdf

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4480.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968851

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2319073

I beleive there is only one metabolic ward study showing a metabolic advantage to keto diets and that has never been able to be recreated

this dude seems to get off showing up on as many posts as he can condeming low carb, paleo, primal & lifestyles and eating plans...I don't get it!

I figure if it works for you do it, if not back away!

Low carb works for me no matter how many bogus research articles he quotes....just do your own thing and leave the rest of us alone....you are boring and repetitive. Go!

juliapurpletoes · January 2012

I sense that low carb diets don't work for you and you make sure everyone knows it. I also sense you have tunnel vision when it comes to studies. Every low carb thread I've read tonight at some point you jump in. LEAVE US ALONE. U and I are both in about the same shape and we got there different ways. Different things work for different people. There's more advantages to low carb then just weight loss

O I also sense youre THAT guy at the gym. Just a feeling
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LOL! Thank you!

Acg67 · January 2012

this dude seems to get off showing up on as many posts as he can condeming low carb, paleo, primal & lifestyles and eating plans...I don't get it!

I figure if it works for you do it, if not back away!

Low carb works for me no matter how many bogus research articles he quotes....just do your own thing and leave the rest of us alone....you are boring and repetitive. Go!

If you'd like like to point out where i've condemned low carb diets, please do so.

What is more helpful to people, falsely leading people to believe that you will lose fat faster on a low carb diet or informing them that there is no difference, keeping in mind that the more restrictive a diet is, the less adherence tends to be?

and i'm glad to see you read the studies, they totally were bogus

skuli · January 2012

It is sad that my first post has to be defensive in nature, but I just couldn’t stay silent.

Folks, where did you see Acg67 say that low-carb diet does not work? All that he said (and backed it up with links to medical studies – btw…thank you for the info) is that low-carb diet yields similar results as any other low-calorie diet.
Now, I haven’t heard anyone here say that – “Oh, I can eat 5,000 cals /day, while I’m on very low-carb diet, and I still lose weight”… since that’s not the case, what are we arguing about?

Everyone gets to enjoy the diet that they believe is best for them and as long as you are losing weight your goal is reached.

lovelee79 · January 2012

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AH2013 · January 2012

I'm starting low carb again also. I'm doing it gradually this time though as I got a little too excited last time and felt horrendous about 3 days in and didn't have the patience to try and ride out the banging headache. However, unlike a lot of low carb-ers I am vegetarian so found it pretty hard going doing it so extreme.

This time I am learning from my previous lessons and going to make it a gradual process, cutting out pastas, white breads and potatoes mainly. I now do 45/25/30...not a big difference from mfp guide but it's better than last time when I was trying to do 30/40/30 :noway:

I also read marksdailyapple.com and nerdfitness.com

hausofnichele · January 2012

I eat roughly 100-110 carbs per day now with MFP because of my insulin resistance. It is the only way for me to lose weight and I stand by it. If you're not having sugar issues then sure, it doesn't make much sense to cut out all your carbs. But for those like myself it has to be this way because absolutely nothing will remove the weight. I definitely feel a LOT better now that I've been watching my carb intake for the past few months on here.

NeverGivesUp · January 2012

I gave up gluten a year ago (trained my brain to see it as poison) because it made me tired and I was extremely addicted to it.
I basically gave up my biggest weakness, trained my brain to see it as poison so I would never touch it again and would never go back to the way I ate before.
This has taken out all the processed foods, all the bread, pasta, sauces, cookies etc etc. from my diet.
Obesity runs in my family. I believe nutrician is not an exact science and what works for one body will not necessarily work for another. When I had gestational diabetes with my first child the specialist and the nutricionist were always at odds with what I should be eating. I have come to this conclusion; Some people's metabolisms are faster than others, people process foods differently, a weakness for one is not a weakness for others (bread and carbs are my weakness but I do not have a sweet tooth), we are all different and to claim that you are all knowing and have the answer is naive and just plain ignorant.
Giving up gluten has helped me tremendously. Over the last year I did lose a little weight just by giving it up. But what it has also done is made it impossible for me not to eat healthy and I do not gain weight even when I am not watching what I am eating. My body is thanking me for it and my doctor just checked my cholesterol and said it was the best reading she has seen in a long time. High cholesterol runs in my family also. It was not easy giving up bread, especially living in Europe, but it was necessary. Now I just have to figure out how to get rid of this extra weight. For me it is not about carbs, it is about health and feeling energy. I eat lots of veggies and choose to get my carbs that way. With fast acting carbs my blood sugar goes through the roof and I feel just terrible. I have even given up rice and potatoes temporarily just to shed some weight off a bit quicker. We all know what is good for us and what makes our bodies feel good after we eat it. If we listened to that instead of reading all the books that promise to have the one right answer, it would solve a lot of problems and weight yo yoing. I do love this discussion!!

Beths8705 · January 2012

The link below is a facebook LOW CARB SUPPORT Group I run... Feel free to join!

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/299885123379827/

grinch031 · January 2012

If you'd like like to point out where i've condemned low carb diets, please do so.

What is more helpful to people, falsely leading people to believe that you will lose fat faster on a low carb diet or informing them that there is no difference, keeping in mind that the more restrictive a diet is, the less adherence tends to be?

and i'm glad to see you read the studies, they totally were bogus

Take a look at this doctor's story. He worked out 3 hours a day on a high-carb diet of 3000 calories and was 20 lbs overweight with 20% body fat. Then he switched to a low-carb diet, consumes 4000 calories (33% more) and lost 25 lbs and is 7% body fat.

http://www.waroninsulin.com

My story is similar. Marathon runner who gained like 10 lbs every time I train for a race, and then starve myself remaining on a high-carb diet to lose the 10 lbs prior to training for the next race. This time I am going low-carb, one month into training (2 months of the diet) I am performing better, 15 lbs lighter, and I don't even have to think about calories.

So I'm already going to say I'm not going to argue research studies, because there are plenty of people with PhDs and MDs who have done that already. How do you explain why I can do the same exercise routine, but cutting out the carbs and suddenly I have control over my weight?

The advantage isn't just total calorie count per day increases on low carb (maybe it doesn't for everyone), but what does happen is the body can properly regulate a low-carb diet much better than it can a high-carb diet.

Acg67 · January 2012

If you'd like like to point out where i've condemned low carb diets, please do so.

What is more helpful to people, falsely leading people to believe that you will lose fat faster on a low carb diet or informing them that there is no difference, keeping in mind that the more restrictive a diet is, the less adherence tends to be?

and i'm glad to see you read the studies, they totally were bogus

Take a look at this doctor's story. He worked out 3 hours a day on a high-carb diet of 3000 calories and was 20 lbs overweight with 20% body fat. Then he switched to a low-carb diet, consumes 4000 calories (33% more) and lost 25 lbs and is 7% body fat.

http://www.waroninsulin.com

My story is similar. Marathon runner who gained like 10 lbs every time I train for a race, and then starve myself remaining on a high-carb diet to lose the 10 lbs prior to training for the next race. This time I am going low-carb, one month into training (2 months of the diet) I am performing better, 15 lbs lighter, and I don't even have to think about calories.

So I'm already going to say I'm not going to argue research studies, because there are plenty of people with PhDs and MDs who have done that already. How do you explain why I can do the same exercise routine, but cutting out the carbs and suddenly I have control over my weight?

The advantage isn't just total calorie count per day increases on low carb (maybe it doesn't for everyone), but what does happen is the body can properly regulate a low-carb diet much better than it can a high-carb diet.

From the link

My mission is to demonstrate that insulin — not calories — is at the heart of the most pervasive chronic diseases: obesity, heart disease, and even cancer. Suppressing the secretion of insulin is the key to running your body on your own fat, which leads not only to weight loss, but also to what I call “chronic health” and peak performance.

Too bad that is a load of garbage and has actually been studied, so the below study, the drug did indeed lower insulin levels there was no difference in weight loss, body fat or REE

Due A, et al. No effect of inhibition of insulin secretion by diazoxide on weight loss in hyperinsulinaemic obese subjects during an 8-week weight-loss diet. Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism, Jul 2007; 9 (4): 566-574.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17587399

AIM:

Obesity is positively associated with hyperinsulinaemia, and it has been suggested that hyperinsulinaemia may contribute to maintain the obese state in insulin-resistant obese individuals. The aim of the present study was to investigate the effect of inhibition of insulin secretion by diazoxide on weight loss in obese, normoglycaemic (fasting plasma glucose of > or =6.1 mmol/l), hyperinsulinaemic (fasting plasma insulin of > or =100 pmol/l) adults during a 2.5 MJ/day energy-deficient diet.

METHODS:

In an 8-week, double-blind, placebo-controlled parallel design, 35 overweight and obese subjects (age: 23-54 years, body mass index: 27-66 kg/m(2)) were randomized either to 2 mg/kg/day (maximum 200 mg/day) of oral diazoxide or to placebo. Body composition and resting energy expenditure (REE) were measured before and after the intervention. Blood samples, and appetite sensations by visual analogue scales, were collected during fasting, during an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) and 4 h postprandially after a test meal. Subsequently, an ad libitum meal was given.

RESULTS:

Thirty-one subjects completed the protocol. Eight weeks of diazoxide decreased incremental area under the response curve (iAUC) for insulin (iAUC(insulin)) and for C-peptide (iAUC(C-peptide)) and increased iAUC for glucose (iAUC(glucose)) during the OGTT and the test meal compared with the use of placebo (p < 0.003). No differences in changes between the groups in body weight, body fat, REE or appetite were observed during the 8-week trial.

CONCLUSION:

These findings do not suggest that hyperinsulinaemia per se contributes to maintenance of the obese state, and insulin secretion inhibition seems not a promising drug target.

crazybigchick · January 2012

My personal low-carb experience was fantastic. About 8 years ago I was over 230lbs. I went on a low carb diet and began working out several times a week. I lost over 90 pounds in about a month period. I was never hungry, had tons of energy, and enjoyed what I was eating. I gradually added back in carbs and maintained the weight loss for over 6 years. I have gained back roughtly 20 or so pounds over the last few years because law school and late night pig sessions seemed to go hand and hand for me. Today is my first day back on low carb and I am hoping that over the next six months I will be able to lose the weight I have gained (and pass the bar exam).

My hubby has horrible digestive problems. Trust me you really don't want to know any more than that. His doctor put him on a very low carb diet. Within two weeks he was a changed man.

I understand low carb isn't for everyone, but for me and my hubby it has been the answer to our prayers. He has so much more energy and can do so many more things now that he isn't sick all the time. JMHO.

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