Does it REALLY matter where calories come from?

I know, I came back in. sorry. but, luke, I reacted by saying that this isn't an 'argument.' it would be like arguing water is or isn't wet. or, in a more apples and apples conversation, that the word n***r is completely acceptable for us to be using. it isn't. and neither is this. same as, say, using 'gay' as a 'playful insult.'

and you are wrong. completely. and there's no gray area there. (and, telling me you know better, when I'm guessing by your thought process that you don't really have experience here, is inane.)

Definition of RETARDED
: slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

my sister is mentally retarded. she is. she knows that. I know that. I've lived with it, with her, my whole life. I work with special olympics. I have for more than a two decades. guess what? they are mentally retarded. she isn't mentally handicapped. neither are the others in SO. they have a medical condition. that's what it's called. you forgetting where you put your keys? forgetting to let the dog out so it doesn't piss on the carpet? that's forgetful. maybe stupid. it's not retarded.

please, just trust me. it is a hurtful, hurtful thing to hear.

if something offends you than stop reading it. Freedom of speech buddy and also don't think you're the only person with family issues.

I know, I came back in. sorry. but, luke, I reacted by saying that this isn't an 'argument.' it would be like arguing water is or isn't wet. or, in a more apples and apples conversation, that the word n***r is completely acceptable for us to be using. it isn't. and neither is this. same as, say, using 'gay' as a 'playful insult.'

and you are wrong. completely. and there's no gray area there. (and, telling me you know better, when I'm guessing by your thought process that you don't really have experience here, is inane.)

Definition of RETARDED
: slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

my sister is mentally retarded. she is. she knows that. I know that. I've lived with it, with her, my whole life. I work with special olympics. I have for more than a two decades. guess what? they are mentally retarded. she isn't mentally handicapped. neither are the others in SO. they have a medical condition. that's what it's called. you forgetting where you put your keys? forgetting to let the dog out so it doesn't piss on the carpet? that's forgetful. maybe stupid. it's not retarded.

please, just trust me. it is a hurtful, hurtful thing to hear.

if something offends you than stop reading it. Freedom of speech buddy and also don't think you're the only person with family issues.

not sure what family issues you believe I have. we're great.

and if someone wants to continue in ignorance, you're right. freedom of speech,etc. but just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. and if someone knows something is offensive and continues doing it, that says more about them than anything.

just an attempt at education. many people don't honestly realize how derogatory the word is. that's all.

I know, I came back in. sorry. but, luke, I reacted by saying that this isn't an 'argument.' it would be like arguing water is or isn't wet. or, in a more apples and apples conversation, that the word n***r is completely acceptable for us to be using. it isn't. and neither is this. same as, say, using 'gay' as a 'playful insult.'

and you are wrong. completely. and there's no gray area there. (and, telling me you know better, when I'm guessing by your thought process that you don't really have experience here, is inane.)

Definition of RETARDED
: slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

my sister is mentally retarded. she is. she knows that. I know that. I've lived with it, with her, my whole life. I work with special olympics. I have for more than a two decades. guess what? they are mentally retarded. she isn't mentally handicapped. neither are the others in SO. they have a medical condition. that's what it's called. you forgetting where you put your keys? forgetting to let the dog out so it doesn't piss on the carpet? that's forgetful. maybe stupid. it's not retarded.

please, just trust me. it is a hurtful, hurtful thing to hear.

if something offends you than stop reading it. Freedom of speech buddy and also don't think you're the only person with family issues.

Wow. Insensitive much?

Freedom of speech doesn't give anyone license to be a complete arsehole.

I know, I came back in. sorry. but, luke, I reacted by saying that this isn't an 'argument.' it would be like arguing water is or isn't wet. or, in a more apples and apples conversation, that the word n***r is completely acceptable for us to be using. it isn't. and neither is this. same as, say, using 'gay' as a 'playful insult.'

and you are wrong. completely. and there's no gray area there. (and, telling me you know better, when I'm guessing by your thought process that you don't really have experience here, is inane.)

Definition of RETARDED
: slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

my sister is mentally retarded. she is. she knows that. I know that. I've lived with it, with her, my whole life. I work with special olympics. I have for more than a two decades. guess what? they are mentally retarded. she isn't mentally handicapped. neither are the others in SO. they have a medical condition. that's what it's called. you forgetting where you put your keys? forgetting to let the dog out so it doesn't piss on the carpet? that's forgetful. maybe stupid. it's not retarded.

please, just trust me. it is a hurtful, hurtful thing to hear.

if something offends you than stop reading it. Freedom of speech buddy and also don't think you're the only person with family issues.

Wow. Insensitive much?

Freedom of speech doesn't give anyone license to be a complete arsehole.

Because she took it has a personal attack when it wasn't. I have ppl with mental issues in my family, do I get bent out of shape when ppl say things that refer to something like that and blow up on ppl and call them names? NO cause it's childish and dumb

Sheesh, this thread got heated.

Look, its all about moderation, I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that. Seems like this thread has turned into an argument about sugar/carbs... Some people saying sugar should be kept at a minimum, others calling that blasphemous and yelling about how they eat ice cream or cookies every day and are still losing weight. YOU'RE BOTH EFFING RIGHT. Come on, people.

I personally keep my daily net carbs at about 20% or less of my calories. Some people would POUNCE on me in this thread for "preaching low carb". For me, that equates to 70 net carbs a day. And if I happen to want a cookie that has 35g carbs in it, then I'll budget that! If its a celebration, or a special day, or hell, its a weekend getaway and I want a friggin margarita, then so what! I still live my life, and I don't think anyone on here has said that you shouldn't. But IN GENERAL, yes, its smart to watch and be conscious of your sugars and starches and overall carbohydrate consumption.

Ok, you can all come out of time-out now.

And, everyone is different....that's why I dont understand the whole debate. What might work some wont work for all.

Sugar is Enemy #1..... Good fats will help you burn fat!! Beyonddiet.com has a great little video that tells you what to avoid and what to embrace when trying to eat better.

<- I eat a LOT of sugar and salt.

That's why you're so fat.

Wow, that was rude. No need to be calling anyone fat here. Try being more supportive.

Calories consumed < calories burned = weight loss

weight loss =/= health

Here endeth the lesson.

We need a "like" button.

No, it can't. To "negate the deficit," sugar would have to have some kind of magical power to produce energy beyond it's caloric value.

Apparently you have never heard of the glycemic index?????

Correct me if I'm wrong but glycemic index refers only to how rapidly the carbohydrate breaks down and releases glucose into the bloodstream (rapidly released simple carbohydrates have a high GI) hence the concept of a sugar crash if you eat nothing but donuts for breakfast. It has nothing to do with the overall caloric value of a particular food.

When we eat, our body converts digestible carbohydrates into blood sugar (glucose), our main source of energy. Our blood sugar level can affect how hungry and how energetic we feel, both important factors when we are watching how we eat and exercise. It also determines whether we burn fat or store it.

Our pancreas creates a hormone called insulin that transports blood sugar into our body's cells where it is used for energy. When we eat refined grains that have had most of their fiber stripped away, sugar, or other carbohydrate-rich foods that are quickly processed into blood sugar, the pancreas goes into overtime to produce the insulin necessary for all this blood sugar to be used for energy. This insulin surge tells our body that plenty of energy is readily available and that it should stop burning fat and start storing it.

However, the greater concern with the insulin surge is not that it tells our body to start storing fat. Whatever we eat and don't burn up eventually gets turned into fat anyway.

The greater concern is that the insulin surge causes too much blood sugar to be transported out of our blood and this results in our blood sugar and insulin levels dropping below normal. This leaves us feeling tired and hungry and wanting to eat more. The unfortunate result of this scenario is that it makes us want to eat something else with a high sugar content. When we do, we start the cycle all over again.

SOURCE OF CALORIES MATTERS.

The end.

No, it can't. To "negate the deficit," sugar would have to have some kind of magical power to produce energy beyond it's caloric value.

Apparently you have never heard of the glycemic index?????

Correct me if I'm wrong but glycemic index refers only to how rapidly the carbohydrate breaks down and releases glucose into the bloodstream (rapidly released simple carbohydrates have a high GI) hence the concept of a sugar crash if you eat nothing but donuts for breakfast. It has nothing to do with the overall caloric value of a particular food.

When we eat, our body converts digestible carbohydrates into blood sugar (glucose), our main source of energy. Our blood sugar level can affect how hungry and how energetic we feel, both important factors when we are watching how we eat and exercise. It also determines whether we burn fat or store it.

Our pancreas creates a hormone called insulin that transports blood sugar into our body's cells where it is used for energy. When we eat refined grains that have had most of their fiber stripped away, sugar, or other carbohydrate-rich foods that are quickly processed into blood sugar, the pancreas goes into overtime to produce the insulin necessary for all this blood sugar to be used for energy. This insulin surge tells our body that plenty of energy is readily available and that it should stop burning fat and start storing it.

However, the greater concern with the insulin surge is not that it tells our body to start storing fat. Whatever we eat and don't burn up eventually gets turned into fat anyway.

The greater concern is that the insulin surge causes too much blood sugar to be transported out of our blood and this results in our blood sugar and insulin levels dropping below normal. This leaves us feeling tired and hungry and wanting to eat more. The unfortunate result of this scenario is that it makes us want to eat something else with a high sugar content. When we do, we start the cycle all over again.

SOURCE OF CALORIES MATTERS.

The end.

Here's the thing, this only matters if you ONLY eat quick carbs. Nobody eats only one macro at a time, and as soon as you mix protein and/or fat to quick digesting carbs, it completely changes the way that insulin and blood glucose are affected. So really, in day to day life, it really doesn't have any impact. You aren't going to find people eating bowls of table sugar very often, and life isn't lived in a scientifically controlled laboratory, where one specific macro type can be isolated and fed.

Eat a slice of white bread, and yes, that can go through you, and potentially cause you to crave carbs, because it's relatively quick (although still not that quick, refined or not, it's still a more complex oligosaccharide) carb it could make you crave more. However, put some butter on it, or some peanut butter, or some turkey breast, and you've now completely changed the glycemic impact of that lowly piece of white bread, your blood sugar doesn't spike, and you don't get blood sugar crashes.

Also, if you're paying attention to calories, then why would it matter, anyway? If you eat x number of calories a day, then even if you crave more sugar, you don't eat it. I crave lots of different foods, bacon mostly, doesn't mean I eat it by the pound every day, because it doesn't fit into my caloric needs. So no, it really doesn't matter where the calories come from.