"Dirty and high carb eating"! Works for me!

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Hmmm. Maybe our reference points are different. As someone in the fitness industry, your view of "clean" eating might be *squeakier* than a regular gal like myself. I eat potatoes. Rice. Sushi. Eat dairy. I even drink alcohol (frankly, not as much as I'd like while I'm trying to reduce, but for maintenance? Never had a problem). I don't think of these as *dirty* (okay, maybe the alcohol. maybe. except whiskey. I declare whiskey to be clean.)

But I've never been able to eat one slice of cake. Ever. Or one donut. I'd rather have none than one. Seriously. I literally panic if I've started munching on some bready goodness...but there is only one donut. I start scheming for how I can get my hands on another one. And its not because I'm just a glutton...I'm good with cheesecake, ice cream, anything with a lot of fat and/or protein. But floury goodness? It kills me. Literally. And if you've never had that experience? You will never understand it.

So when someone such as yourself says "you can have treats" and "I do it, so can you!" But you've never actually been in my shoes? Or know what it feels like to feel actually panic over food? (And no...no one beat me with a donut when I was a child. ) Well...I humbly submit that we really are just made differently. Now. In a famine? I'd win. You'd die first. So I wouldn't say you have better genes. They just seem to be better suited to the context in which we find ourselves.

And of course I believe that genes can be overcome...that's why we're all on MFP. Because we believe in the power of human smarts over the injustices of nature. However, for many of us, avoiding certain things *is* the way in which we overcome our genes. I accept the truth of your experience. I'm just saying that there is more than one experience that has value.

Behaviors are learned. They can be "unlearned" IF there is willingness and agreement to commit. With clients, I don't change their eating choices, I change their total consumption. It's a MUCH easier transition than restriction or having them abstain.
People make life changes when confronted with serious issues. Since most people don't see overeating or being overweight as a serious issue (we all have the "invincibility" ego in some capacity) they aren't willing to commit nor are willing to do much change.
Will everyone be able to do it? No. Do I believe everyone can do it? I'm an optimist, so of course I'll say yes. Is it easier for some than others? No doubt. I would hope people would do it in a way where they know that if they engaged in an eating lifestyle, that it's a lifestyle that they won't have difficulty staying consistent with. Regain of weight is usually going to be from dumping the diet that got them to goal in the first place because it wasn't sustainable.

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Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I'm sure people could do it. If it was life or death . . . (unless they became suicidal and then death by icecream would be THE way to go). The point is that if it is a huge tortuous struggle every time why subject themselves to that agony when they can just not eat that first spoonful of icecream to begin with??? Again you've missed the point.

Other than your stubbornness on this point I agree with you!

]Lol, yeah I had a Western Cheeseburger from Carl's Jr. today. Probably not on a lot of peoples list of lunch items.

A.C.E. Certified Personal Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Last night I went to Cicis......I just ate less there than I usually do and only had 1/2 of dessert pizza and 1/2 brownie......I was under my cals for the day so I wasnt too stressed about it. Glad to know Im not alone in the thought.

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Joining the dirty carb eating crew

Dirty carb eaters UNTIE.... or... unite or something like that

Hmmm. Maybe our reference points are different. As someone in the fitness industry, your view of "clean" eating might be *squeakier* than a regular gal like myself. I eat potatoes. Rice. Sushi. Eat dairy. I even drink alcohol (frankly, not as much as I'd like while I'm trying to reduce, but for maintenance? Never had a problem). I don't think of these as *dirty* (okay, maybe the alcohol. maybe. except whiskey. I declare whiskey to be clean.)

But I've never been able to eat one slice of cake. Ever. Or one donut. I'd rather have none than one. Seriously. I literally panic if I've started munching on some bready goodness...but there is only one donut. I start scheming for how I can get my hands on another one. And its not because I'm just a glutton...I'm good with cheesecake, ice cream, anything with a lot of fat and/or protein. But floury goodness? It kills me. Literally. And if you've never had that experience? You will never understand it.

So when someone such as yourself says "you can have treats" and "I do it, so can you!" But you've never actually been in my shoes? Or know what it feels like to feel actually panic over food? (And no...no one beat me with a donut when I was a child. ) Well...I humbly submit that we really are just made differently. Now. In a famine? I'd win. You'd die first. So I wouldn't say you have better genes. They just seem to be better suited to the context in which we find ourselves.

And of course I believe that genes can be overcome...that's why we're all on MFP. Because we believe in the power of human smarts over the injustices of nature. However, for many of us, avoiding certain things *is* the way in which we overcome our genes. I accept the truth of your experience. I'm just saying that there is more than one experience that has value.

^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^^ - well said, sweet110!!

Okay...so your experience is the right one, and mine is wrong. I just need to learn some different behaviors. Got it. Hey, I lost 70 pounds and kept it off for 8 years. Which for me was more than half my body weight. Which makes me a statistical anomaly in the weight loss world. But...I guess I did it wrong. I really should have been practicing eating half a cookie once a week. Cause it worked for you! Who cares what worked for me!

Well. This has been a life changer. I'm going to run out and get a box of cookies. And me and the cookies are going to have a battle of wills, until I win. Cookie, I shall beat thee! I will win! Win, I tell you! And I will be happier and thinner once I am victorious!

Because we all just need some will power. Even though, as you attest, you've never really needed any in this area of your life. But I'm sure you know all about it.

Thank you, and goodnight.

from reading what ninner said, he never said his way was the right way, all he was saying behoivers can be learned or unlearned. It just up to the person, but if someone wants to go your route and it works good for you and them. Also eat the whole cookie you seem a bit grumpy :-)

from reading what ninner said he never said his way what the right way, all he was saying behoivers can be learned or unlearned. It just up to the person, but if someone wants to go route and it works good for you and them. Also eat the whole cookie you seem a bit grumpy :-)

Grumpiness is allowed in the face of unbridled arrogance. Albeit futile and silly. However, we're both on an MFP forum. Silliness is a given.

...And its the cookies that make me grumpy. I'd knock you down for the 5th one, and kill your mother for the 6th... No. I prefer cheesecake. That's what I had for dessert today. I think its a better than fair trade.

Lol how about you kill my mother in law for the 6 instead of my mommy and I agree about the sillyness, if anything there needs to be more of it on the forums

Back on topic for a sec, I don't what will work for me yet, still learning. @sweets love your pro pic, I might do that to my wife cats but I think she would take my manhood away from me lmao

I'm not sure how they staged that cat picture! I'm not sure I would try it myself!

Okay. Back on topic and finding what will work for you. Everyone is different. The diversity of what the human species has thrived on is astounding. We're truly special animals in that way.

So be open to experimentation, and learn what works for you. And don't believe what anyone else tells you unless you've tried it and its worked. For you. Because as annoying as it is, losing weight is the easiest part. I don't know a fat person alive who hasn't managed to lose weight at least once! Keeping it off is where the smarts come in.

Works for me too.

Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.

Weight gain comes down to calorie balance period.

Works for me too.

Thing is, you can't gain weight eating at a deficit. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot make something out of nothing. So those who say that they are eating at a deficit and gaining weight and blaming carbs, there is something going on that you are not telling us because that is impossible.

I love it when people who clearly don't have some kind of metabolic issue that makes them sensitive to carbs chimes in with their "wisdom". I recall going on Weight Watchers a couple decades back and it was a high-carb/low-fat plan. I weighed/measured/recorded everything and gained about 8 pounds in the course of about a month (don't recall now the exact weight and time-frame). I was called a liar and told I must be cheating. Not so. However, I was also miserable. I was starving all the time.

Now I realize it was the blood sugar swings that the eating plan caused me to have which made me feel starved. And, even though I stuck to the plan no matter how starved I was, I was miserable, grumpy to be around, and, after it became apparent that I was miserable for nothing because I was gaining, I went off of it. And just stayed chubby for years thinking I was doomed, was a failure, etc.

Then I learned about low-carb eating. Using the same measuring spoons and the same little Weight Watchers scale that can fit in your purse, I started weighing/measuring/recording everything I ate although, this time around, I counted both calories and carbs. I started losing and I was no longer starving either. Not only that, my energy was better, I felt great, no more headaches, bloating, sluggishness or daytime sleepiness, no more mood swings, better overall mood, clearer thinking, better memory, I could go on and on at the benefits.

So, using the same tools, doing it the same way, I lose one way and not the other. And you claim there's something I'm not telling you?

Granted, not everybody is effected by carbs this way but, just because you haven't experienced it for yourself, please don't discount the experience of the rest of us.

Should add that, as I have been losing weight and gaining fitness, I have been gradually increasing my carbs and I can handle more without these same ill effects or negative impacts on my blood sugar levels. And I'm enjoying it because I do love the taste of carb-rich foods. In fact, today is my splurge day and I just had two pieces of pizza. After it digests for a bit, I'm going for a bike ride to help process those carbs though. If I don't, I will experience some problems later. While I can eat more carbs, I can't just do it willy-nilly without adjusting some things around them to make them work for me instead of against me.

My husband is the same way. He is the same jean size since i met him 27 yrs ago. His mom is like that too. I think he just has a higher metabolism. Most of us are not like that. If i eat too much junk i gain weight. Period