Carbs/Sugar don't make you fat.
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Mature and well structured argument. I'm sure many people will listen to your sound advice.
yes because yours was so much nicer? Maybe you should just admit you don't have all the answers and don't know everything and what works for some doesn't work for all. who is more mature the one who thinks they know it all or the one who knows what works for them and wishes everyone else the best with their choices.
I never personally attacked you or said anything untoward to you. I pointed out the gaping holes in your logic. You may not have liked that, but there's nothing I can do about that. My responsibility is to the truth, not your feelings. Next time post better information. Or at the very least something that passes for information. So far all of your posts can be summed up as "Nuh uh! What do you know? Shutup!"
The people who complain about everyone else being rude are usually the rudest of them all.
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I am insulin resistant with PCOS as for calories in and out I ate low fat high carb 1200cal a day and gained 20 lbs, ate 1800cal high protiend low carb and lost 20lbs so there goes your theory.
PCOS changes the calories out side of the equation. That's what all metabolic disorders do. A healthy person may burn 2000 calories a day, but a person with a metabolic disorder may only burn 1400 calories a day. But there is no way to know that, without actual metabolic testing.
That's why one person can eat 1500 calories a day and lose weight no problem, and another person can eat 1500 calories a day and gain. It doesn't mean calories in/calories out doesn't work, it just means calories out is being changed due to a disease.
You haven't really debunked any theory. The thing people tend to forget is that it's not just how many calories you eat. It's how many are actually absorbed by your body. It's possible that your disease has affected what is absorbed and you simply absorb more calories from carbohydrates than from other sources. "Calories in" doesn't always mean in your mouth.0 -
I am insulin resistant with PCOS as for calories in and out I ate low fat high carb 1200cal a day and gained 20 lbs, ate 1800cal high protiend low carb and lost 20lbs so there goes your theory.
PCOS changes the calories out side of the equation. That's what all metabolic disorders do. A healthy person may burn 2000 calories a day, but a person with a metabolic disorder may only burn 1400 calories a day. But there is no way to know that, without actual metabolic testing.
That's why one person can eat 1500 calories a day and lose weight no problem, and another person can eat 1500 calories a day and gain. It doesn't mean calories in/calories out doesn't work, it just means calories out is being changed due to a disease.
Sorry but I disagree with this. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL.0 -
Next you're going to start quoting Taubes...Eating too much.....(more than your maintenance) regardless of macronutrient composition makes you fat. Just had to throw this out there.
Seriously? Sugar... one of the main contributers to belly fat,you will rarely find someone with beautiful ABS consuming high quantities of sugar daily,added/fruits/ect. As for carbs,good carbs are needed but bad carbs will cause unwanted effects on the body in most cases.
There are lots of people on here that eat sugar/fruit/ice cream and have great abs.
I suppose it's possible but improbable and you wouldn't be healthy, as per Cordain or Wolf and their Paleo books, humans are not fully adapted to dairy, so eating ice cream is not a very good idea
I feel like he has some grand plan using this "agree with them" strategy... just waiting for the bomb to drop.0 -
and how many of you have degrees in health, medicine or nutrition? by putting out a blanket statement and saying it fits all, yes you are personally attacking someone it does not apply to. yes I do get angry that for those struggling that your blanket statement doesn't apply to, they may give up thinking what you have said is the only way. it is not and there is research out there to prove it, everyone that has brought up that research with name or book you have made fun of or attacked that as not being true either. what I disagree with is putting out a blanket statement without your own degree and published research to back up , so I am no more guilty of just giving my opinions then any of the rest of you.0
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Eating too much.....(more than your maintenance) regardless of macronutrient composition makes you fat. Just had to throw this out there.
Seriously? Sugar... one of the main contributers to belly fat,you will rarely find someone with beautiful ABS consuming high quantities of sugar daily,added/fruits/ect. As for carbs,good carbs are needed but bad carbs will cause unwanted effects on the body in most cases.
There are lots of people on here that eat sugar/fruit/ice cream and have great abs.
I suppose it's possible but improbable and you wouldn't be healthy, as per Cordain or Wolf and their Paleo books, humans are not fully adapted to dairy, so eating ice cream is not a very good idea
No you're right, it's a terrible idea. Which is why I gained back all of my 28 lbs lost in the space of 2 days. Damn greek yogurt!0 -
Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)
Not lying, and now I am being personally attacked. but then I forget everything in the world you all live in is only true if you believe it.0 -
and how many of you have degrees in health, medicine or nutrition? by putting out a blanket statement and saying it fits all, yes you are personally attacking someone it does not apply to. yes I do get angry that for those struggling that your blanket statement doesn't apply to, they may give up thinking what you have said is the only way. it is not and there is research out there to prove it, everyone that has brought up that research with name or book you have made fun of or attacked that as not being true either. what I disagree with is putting out a blanket statement without your own degree and published research to back up , so I am no more guilty of just giving my opinions then any of the rest of you.
I do. There is nothing logical about your argument. You are not a special snowflake.0 -
Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)
Not lying, and now I am being personally attacked. but then I forget everything in the world you all live in is only true if you believe it.
Your body doesn't defy the laws of thermodynamics... unless you have some superpowers that the rest of us don't have.0 -
Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)
Not lying, and now I am being personally attacked. but then I forget everything in the world you all live in is only true if you believe it.
The only person I've seen make a personal attack in this entire thread is you.0 -
You have no right to call her a liar! You have absolutely NO knowledge of PCOS or how it affects metabolism and insulin! You are rude AND uneducated on this subject!
I am insulin resistant with PCOS as for calories in and out I ate low fat high carb 1200cal a day and gained 20 lbs, ate 1800cal high protiend low carb and lost 20lbs so there goes your theory.
PCOS changes the calories out side of the equation. That's what all metabolic disorders do. A healthy person may burn 2000 calories a day, but a person with a metabolic disorder may only burn 1400 calories a day. But there is no way to know that, without actual metabolic testing.
That's why one person can eat 1500 calories a day and lose weight no problem, and another person can eat 1500 calories a day and gain. It doesn't mean calories in/calories out doesn't work, it just means calories out is being changed due to a disease.
Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)0 -
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AH! now i can eat my wonderbread and blueberry jelly preserves in peace without worrying about my belly getting bloated (NOT). if abs are made in the kitchen, you cant be eating gum balls and carbs all day0
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Eating too much.....(more than your maintenance) regardless of macronutrient composition makes you fat. Just had to throw this out there.
Seriously? Sugar... one of the main contributers to belly fat,you will rarely find someone with beautiful ABS consuming high quantities of sugar daily,added/fruits/ect. As for carbs,good carbs are needed but bad carbs will cause unwanted effects on the body in most cases.
There are lots of people on here that eat sugar/fruit/ice cream and have great abs.
I suppose it's possible but improbable and you wouldn't be healthy, as per Cordain or Wolf and their Paleo books, humans are not fully adapted to dairy, so eating ice cream is not a very good idea
No you're right, it's a terrible idea. Which is why I gained back all of my 28 lbs lost in the space of 2 days. Damn greek yogurt!
It sounds about right and I really hope you didn't add fruit to it or the fructose from the fruit + the lactose in the yogurt would have been a double whammy of unhealthyness0 -
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Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)
Not lying, and now I am being personally attacked. but then I forget everything in the world you all live in is only true if you believe it.
You do understand that you burn more than 1200 calories a day in your sleep right? Unless of course you're a toddler and/or someone who's about 3ft tall and weighs about 50lbs or so?0 -
I somewhat agree with the OP. I was working at a pizza shop and literally lived off a pizza, bread sticks, chicken wings, and TONS of soda (Pepsi), 6 days a week, every week.
I have always been a little "chubby" and have to be careful what I eat because I WILL gain. But when I was working there, I busted my butt and the weight FLEW OFF without me even trying!! And when I say I ate that crap all day, I am not exaggerating.
Once I quit the job and kept eating the same way, I gained very quickly.
Now, everybody is different. But for me, it's not really WHAT I eat, but how much of it that is most important.
This is def. not a healthy way to loose weight, and not the answer, but it did work without me even trying.
Now that I am actually watching what I eat (more amount then what it is), I find it much harder for the weight to come off.0 -
You don't. You don't have to be overweight according to BMI to have obese levels of body fat. Insulin resistance happens when there is excess fat in the blood stream that prevents insulin receptors from receiving insulin. It can also be tracked, measured, and predicted by the amounts of free fatty acids and branched-chain amino acids in the blood stream.
This would make sense, except high protein and high fat diets also contribute to insulin resistance.
Do yourself a favor and google "Insulin Resistance"! Carbs and sugar ABSOLUTELY DO make some people fat! Just had to throw THAT out there:)Eating too much.....(more than your maintenance) regardless of macronutrient composition makes you fat. Just had to throw this out there.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/145544.php
Insulin resistance is a symptom of obesity, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of causes for it, it's not just sugar and carbs.
Oh, and that link came from a Google search for Insulin Resistance. So, if you're going to tell other people to google it, you may want to take your own advice.
Then how do you get insulin resistance with the absence of obesity?
see, that is interesting, because I have insulin resistance no matter how much I weigh. sorry.0 -
I understand completely what happened, seems most others here do not. I lived it.
You do understand that you burn more than 1200 calories a day in your sleep right? Unless of course you're a toddler and/or someone who's about 3ft tall and weighs about 50lbs or so?0 -
You have no right to call her a liar! You have absolutely NO knowledge of PCOS or how it affects metabolism and insulin! You are rude AND uneducated on this subject!
I am insulin resistant with PCOS as for calories in and out I ate low fat high carb 1200cal a day and gained 20 lbs, ate 1800cal high protiend low carb and lost 20lbs so there goes your theory.
PCOS changes the calories out side of the equation. That's what all metabolic disorders do. A healthy person may burn 2000 calories a day, but a person with a metabolic disorder may only burn 1400 calories a day. But there is no way to know that, without actual metabolic testing.
That's why one person can eat 1500 calories a day and lose weight no problem, and another person can eat 1500 calories a day and gain. It doesn't mean calories in/calories out doesn't work, it just means calories out is being changed due to a disease.
Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)
I do understand how PCOS works. I also understand how hyperthyroidism works. I also understand how the law of thermogenics work. I understand, researched and have knowledge about a many different things in the nutrition world.
PCOS does not defy the laws of energy balance in ways she was describing.0 -
You don't. You don't have to be overweight according to BMI to have obese levels of body fat. Insulin resistance happens when there is excess fat in the blood stream that prevents insulin receptors from receiving insulin. It can also be tracked, measured, and predicted by the amounts of free fatty acids and branched-chain amino acids in the blood stream.
This would make sense, except high protein and high fat diets also contribute to insulin resistance.
Do yourself a favor and google "Insulin Resistance"! Carbs and sugar ABSOLUTELY DO make some people fat! Just had to throw THAT out there:)Eating too much.....(more than your maintenance) regardless of macronutrient composition makes you fat. Just had to throw this out there.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/145544.php
Insulin resistance is a symptom of obesity, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of causes for it, it's not just sugar and carbs.
Oh, and that link came from a Google search for Insulin Resistance. So, if you're going to tell other people to google it, you may want to take your own advice.
Then how do you get insulin resistance with the absence of obesity?
see, that is interesting, because I have insulin resistance no matter how much I weigh. sorry.
Where was weight mentioned in the response? Nowhere. "You don't have to be overweight according to BMI to have OBESE LEVELS OF BODY FAT."0 -
Unfortunately people don't seem to realise MFP is an internet forum and not a medical/scientific/biological community. People are going to have no idea what on earth they're talking about and are just going to agree with the first article they read on the subject. It's similar to the ridiculous hype given on here to "starvation mode." The way some things are portrayed on here are laughable.0
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You don't. You don't have to be overweight according to BMI to have obese levels of body fat. Insulin resistance happens when there is excess fat in the blood stream that prevents insulin receptors from receiving insulin. It can also be tracked, measured, and predicted by the amounts of free fatty acids and branched-chain amino acids in the blood stream.
Then how do you get insulin resistance with the absence of obesity?
see, that is interesting, because I have insulin resistance no matter how much I weigh. sorry.
Where was weight mentioned in the response? Nowhere. "You don't have to be overweight according to BMI to have OBESE LEVELS OF BODY FAT."
oh for goodness sake, this doesn't even make sense. When I was underweight from having mono, I did not have obese levels of body fat by ANY definition, but guess what, I still had insulin resistance. it DOES NOT MATTER how much I weigh. I am sure that in some cases, obesity can cause insulin resistance. But sometimes, the IR is already there.0 -
bump some fun reading for later! lol0
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You have no right to call her a liar! You have absolutely NO knowledge of PCOS or how it affects metabolism and insulin! You are rude AND uneducated on this subject!
I am insulin resistant with PCOS as for calories in and out I ate low fat high carb 1200cal a day and gained 20 lbs, ate 1800cal high protiend low carb and lost 20lbs so there goes your theory.
PCOS changes the calories out side of the equation. That's what all metabolic disorders do. A healthy person may burn 2000 calories a day, but a person with a metabolic disorder may only burn 1400 calories a day. But there is no way to know that, without actual metabolic testing.
That's why one person can eat 1500 calories a day and lose weight no problem, and another person can eat 1500 calories a day and gain. It doesn't mean calories in/calories out doesn't work, it just means calories out is being changed due to a disease.
Sorry but you're lying. 1200 cal a day and gained 20lbs? ROFL. Mmmm...yea. You'd be the first in all of mankind. ;-)
I do understand how PCOS works. I also understand how hyperthyroidism works. I also understand how the law of thermogenics work. I understand, researched and have knowledge about a many different things in the nutrition world.
PCOS does not defy the laws of energy balance in ways she was describing.
Not taking sides here, but this argument could simply be semantics. Specifically weight gain vs fat gain.
I know that once a month I can (and often do) gain 5-7 lbs due to nothing other than hormones causing water retention. For someone with a disease that plays havoc with hormones, I don't see it outside the realm of possibility to gain 20 lbs of water weight over time. And water weight may have nothing to do with calories. The changes in macro counts in the diet might have regulated the hormones, thus easing water retention and showing a weight loss even though more calories are consumed.0 -
This would make sense, except high protein and high fat diets also contribute to insulin resistance.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/145544.php
Insulin resistance is a symptom of obesity, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of causes for it, it's not just sugar and carbs.
Oh, and that link came from a Google search for Insulin Resistance. So, if you're going to tell other people to google it, you may want to take your own advice.
For some people they do. In MY case, it was a complete hormonal imbalance that began as a result of low everything BUT carbs. As a child, my parents did what they knew to do, which was just make sure I had *food*. Them giving me food that was void of ALL nutrition is the *suspected* cause. However, once it was developed, sugar and carbs are not processed properly by the body and the generally corresponding high testosterone levels cause the weight to be centered in your abdomen, like in most overweight men. So, no, they don't GIVE you the insulin resistance, but once you have it, the only way to correct the problem is being cautious of your carbs, their source, sugar content, etc.
Insulin resistance CAN be a symptom of obesity, but obesity can also be a symptom of insulin resistance. I was a beanpole kid. I was a competitive gymnast and swimmer. Hormones hit and in the course of a year I grew to a size 16 women's. Perhaps you should do your own homework, as well.0 -
This place is no better than any other internet forum, full of bullies, know-it-alls, and trolls. There is NO one size fits all way to eat. NONE. Anyone who tells you there is is trying to sell something, if only their own competence regarding diet and nutrition. Food science can be barely said to be in its infancy and yet everyone wants to claim to have the only answer already without any real science behind it. Troll on, people. Troll on.0
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Processed carbs and refined sugars do me BAD. Oatmeal is okay but even bread is hard to have without my insulin or craving going bananas and making me eat ALL the things.0
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