North Carolina Amendment to Ban Gay Marriage, thoughts?
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This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach that it passed, but I was wondering what you all thought about it... Feel free to weigh in.
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Seem like it was put to a fair vote and failed. I don't care either way!0
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This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach that it passed, but I was wondering what you all thought about it... Feel free to weigh in.
Personally, I don't care... no offence.
I am not for it, but I am not going to condemn someone for what they do in their spare time, nor who they love.
Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder, or move to another state for a short time, to be able to be married. Then move back. I don't think they can remove the certificate even if the law bans the marriage it self.0 -
It's absolutely disgusting that it passed. There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in our government, but that line was crossed with this amendment. It's discriminatory and there are many unclear parts of the amendment.
I am sick that this amendment passed. Absolutely sick.0 -
Their marriage would not be valid in North Carolina.Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder, or move to another state for a short time, to be able to be married. Then move back. I don't think they can remove the certificate even if the law bans the marriage it self.0 -
Just shows how far we still have to go!!
If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't dictate what others can/cannot do!!0 -
This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach that it passed, but I was wondering what you all thought about it... Feel free to weigh in.
Personally, I don't care... no offence.
I am not for it, but I am not going to condemn someone for what they do in their spare time, nor who they love.
Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder, or move to another state for a short time, to be able to be married. Then move back. I don't think they can remove the certificate even if the law bans the marriage it self.
Actually they can. If NC doesn't recognize gay marriage, then a marriage in another state will not be recognized either.
This wasn't just a gay marriage amendment. It was so much more. The wording said partnerships between a man and a woman are the only ones that will be recognized. That can be far reaching and can apply to business partnerships, too. The only reason it was voted in was because it was being pushed as the gay marriage amendment and that was what those people for voted for it were voting for.
Ignorance at it's best.0 -
When did the Taliban move the North Carolina?0
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Absolutely daft. I thought this was on track to be defeated??? What happened? Presumably there will be legal challenges on the basis of constitutionality as in California et al.? Of course, it would be much simpler if Gay Marriage was legalised on a federal rather than state level, but I'm guessing that's too much to hope for, since we Brits can't even get around to doing that, and we're much less anti- on the whole than the US appears to be!0
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There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in our government, but that line was crossed with this amendment.
Actually, the line was crossed a LONG time ago when marriage, a Biblical/spiritual concept, was regulated by the government. Is this not absurd to everyone? I get that certain rights (upon death, decisions for the incapacitated, etc) need to be given to a partner, but why does it have to be a marriage. I should be able to enter into that arrangement with anyone I choose (a sister, my best friend, etc) -- as long as it is 2 consenting adults (so let's not bring in the "what-if-I-want-it-to-be-my-dog argument").
I think those wanting to legalize gay "marraige" (Yes, I'm married -- in God's eyes. Legally, it should be referred to as a civil union), the above approach makes more sense. Trying to fit that square peg (marriage - Blblical term) into a round hole (civil union - legal rights) just doesn't work.0 -
I have a question, If the separation of church and state is so important in this country... why is everyone trying to push for legalizing gay marriages. Marriage is a religious thing, so shouldn't the church be aloud to say no.
I could be mistaken, never looked into marriage, but the only thing that changes, from being a living together situation, is someone's name changes.0 -
How does bisecting a person renting a room change anything?Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder...
Also, please keep the political debates in the groups.0 -
Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.
I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.0 -
Well, it's already illegal in NC, so nothing really changes day to day in anyone's lives who lives there. Even if it was defeated, not much would change.
It does, however, make it more difficult to change the law.0 -
Absolutely daft. I thought this was on track to be defeated??? What happened? Presumably there will be legal challenges on the basis of constitutionality as in California et al.? Of course, it would be much simpler if Gay Marriage was legalised on a federal rather than state level, but I'm guessing that's too much to hope for, since we Brits can't even get around to doing that, and we're much less anti- on the whole than the US appears to be!
Our Constitution doesn't allow for the federal government to regulate marriage (any kind). Why would we want the government to come in and say what we can and cannot do?0 -
There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in our government, but that line was crossed with this amendment.
Actually, the line was crossed a LONG time ago when marriage, a Biblical/spiritual concept, was regulated by the government. Is this not absurd to everyone? I get that certain rights (upon death, decisions for the incapacitated, etc) need to be given to a partner, but why does it have to be a marriage. I should be able to enter into that arrangement with anyone I choose (a sister, my best friend, etc) -- as long as it is 2 consenting adults (so let's not bring in the "what-if-I-want-it-to-be-my-dog argument").
I think those wanting to legalize gay "marraige" (Yes, I'm married -- in God's eyes. Legally, it should be referred to as a civil union), the above approach makes more sense. Trying to fit that square peg (marriage - Blblical term) into a round hole (civil union - legal rights) just doesn't work.
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^^^^^thisIt's absolutely disgusting that it passed. There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in our government, but that line was crossed with this amendment. It's discriminatory and there are many unclear parts of the amendment.
I am sick that this amendment passed. Absolutely sick.0 -
Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.
I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.
Well, you'd be praying for the seperation if somebody was quoting their holy book that wasn't the Bible, right?0 -
How does bisecting a person renting a room change anything?Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder...
Also, please keep the political debates in the groups.
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I don't think anyone's trying to force people into gay marriage. They just want you to mind your own business.Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.
I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.0 -
For me marriage is a civil right and to not allow a group of people that right is 100% wrong. It's just like when they made interracial marriage illegal. Very sad that people still feel this way, even more so because the divorce rate is over 50% now. What are gay couples going to ruin, that we haven't already ruined ourselves? NOTHING!! Some of the couple i know that have been together the longest are gay couples, one who have been together almost 30 years. Again very sad and breaks my heart. Love is love, in every shape or form, and just because someone doesn't follow what YOU want, doesn't mean its wrong. I think people that are against gay marriage need to look deep into themselves and figure out what their own problems are before pointing the finger or judging0
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How does bisecting a person renting a room change anything?Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder...
Also, please keep the political debates in the groups.
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I don't see why it matters? There are plenty of nonfitness threads outside of groups.0 -
Yep. It's a state issue, and the state has spoken. It's up the the folks there to vote at the polls and/or with their feet.
Our Constitution doesn't allow for the federal government to regulate marriage (any kind). Why would we want the government to come in and say what we can and cannot do?Absolutely daft. I thought this was on track to be defeated??? What happened? Presumably there will be legal challenges on the basis of constitutionality as in California et al.? Of course, it would be much simpler if Gay Marriage was legalised on a federal rather than state level, but I'm guessing that's too much to hope for, since we Brits can't even get around to doing that, and we're much less anti- on the whole than the US appears to be!0 -
Yes, but political debate is expressly verboten in the guidelines, and for good reason. It gets far too nasty.
How does bisecting a person renting a room change anything?Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder...
Also, please keep the political debates in the groups.
Oops! Sorry - thought this was in my debating group Off to restart elsewhere
I don't see why it matters? There are plenty of nonfitness threads outside of groups.
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No offense, but maybe you should know a little something about it before you discuss it. You are dreadfully mistaken... marriage confers important legal rights and benefits that gay couples are denied access to.I have a question, If the separation of church and state is so important in this country... why is everyone trying to push for legalizing gay marriages. Marriage is a religious thing, so shouldn't the church be aloud to say no.
I could be mistaken, never looked into marriage, but the only thing that changes, from being a living together situation, is someone's name changes.
Marriage is two things: legal and religious. In this context, we're only talking about the legal aspect. The church has nothing to do with it and should be kept out of it.0 -
I'm transgendered today. My hearts go out to families in that state who will have legal struggles to be recognized as legitimate families: those who cannot adopt, those who cannot cover their family's insurance needs, those who cannot care for their partner's final wishes, those who will be refused visitations if their partner is in icu.0
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Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.
I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.
So do you practice that one quote from Leviticus... If they curse at their mother or father they shall be put to death.
That would suck.0 -
I have a question, If the separation of church and state is so important in this country... why is everyone trying to push for legalizing gay marriages. Marriage is a religious thing, so shouldn't the church be aloud to say no.
I could be mistaken, never looked into marriage, but the only thing that changes, from being a living together situation, is someone's name changes.
Actually, marriage is a legal contract. My husband and I were married in a civil ceremony with the County Clerk officiating. No church involved. We enjoy the same benefits as anyone married in a church, including next-of-kin status, federal tax breaks, employer insurance benefits, etc. Why should I have these rights but not, say, my co-worker and her partner?0 -
How does bisecting a person renting a room change anything?Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder...
Also, please keep the political debates in the groups.
wow... I knew there was a reason I hated politics....
If they really really have to be "married" then they will move to another state, say New York. Then that would make it legal. Stay in New York, and then they have their "marriage" they so desperately wanted. NC looses people NY gains people.... who cares?0 -
Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.
I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.
So do you practice that one quote from Leviticus... If they curse at their mother or father they shall be put to death.
That would suck.
LOVE IT! Oh and being gay IS NOT a choice. If you believe in "god" and are a true "christian" your suppose to accept and love everyone unconditionally0
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