If I eat breakfast, I get hungry
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Hello,
Normally I would cite the studies that show that people who skip breakfast tend to overeat later in the day. But if you're tracking your intake and are not overeating later in the day, then you don't really have to worry about it. However, I'd still be worried that skipping breakafst would lower your metabolism. Is there any way you can incorporate the breakfast and keep yourself from eating too much later? Just to keep your metabolism up. Do you have a snack before you go to bed?
You said this happens even when you eat eggs. Are you talking a combination protein and comlex carbs, or just protein. Because it's the combination that most filling.
Some people are just different than the average. If you're tracking your intake and not overeating later than it's not a huge deal. I hope that lunch and afternoon snack are not your only meals in the day. Then you're definitely short changing your metabolism.
Have a good one.0 -
A lot of people give opinions on here that are terrible! Here is info from a Dr. at the Mayo Clinic, also see the link. Who are you going to listen to? I personally NEVER skip breakfast. Just some "food for thought."
Question
Breakfast: How does it help weight control?
Why does eating a healthy breakfast help control weight?
Answer
from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.
Here are some of the ways that regularly eating a healthy breakfast may help you lose excess weight and maintain your weight loss:
Reduced hunger. Eating breakfast may reduce your hunger later in the day, which may make it easier to avoid overeating. When you skip breakfast, you may feel ravenous later and be tempted to reach for a quick fix — such as vending machine candy or doughnuts at the office. In addition, the prolonged fasting that occurs when you skip breakfast can increase your body's insulin response, which in turn increases fat storage and weight gain. In fact, skipping breakfast actually increases your risk of obesity.
Healthy choices. Eating breakfast may get you on track to make healthy choices all day. When you eat breakfast, you tend to eat a healthier overall diet, one that is more nutritious and lower in fat. When you skip breakfast, you're more likely to skip fruits and vegetables the rest of the day, too.
More energy. Eating breakfast may give you energy, increasing your physical activity during the day. A healthy breakfast refuels your body and replenishes the glycogen stores that supply your muscles with immediate energy. Skipping breakfast is associated with decreased physical activity.So, if you skip breakfast — whether you're trying to save time or cut calories — you may want to reconsider, especially if you're trying to control your weight.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/AN01119
I fully agree that these are true for a lot of people. But there is not a single shred of evidence that your metabolism is impacted by breakfast. If someone feels better great! The OP said she did not and therefore another method can be used as long as she meets her calorie needs for the day. Most of the points in this article are behavioral and not physiological. I stil eat fruits, workout daily (fasted) and would never ever touch a doughnut.
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Honest opinion
I think you eating breakfast is jump starting your metabolism.
When you start to get hungry, your body wants more fuel.
Give it a little more fuel, until the next meal, and it will keep burning like that.
Same thing happens to me,
I am bad at eating breakfast in the first place,
but I am starting to think, being hungry is a good thing,
almost like your body is telling you yeah, I am working now, but I need more.0 -
I'm actually less likely to overeate if I don't eat breakfast. If i do, I just think about food constantly and eat eat eat. So far I haven't noticed about my metabolism, its pretty good in general since I'm still young I guess.
I don't eat before bed, actually after 8 pm or so I feel sick at the thought of food. Saved me in college from gaining the frosh 15
During the day though I eat a substantial lunch, afternoon snack, and smallish dinner. I always hit 1200, usually more like 1400 easily. . But I don't get that ravenous lunch feeling when I skip breakfast which makes me think maybe its okay too.Hello,
Normally I would cite the studies that show that people who skip breakfast tend to overeat later in the day. But if you're tracking your intake and are not overeating later in the day, then you don't really have to worry about it. However, I'd still be worried that skipping breakafst would lower your metabolism. Is there any way you can incorporate the breakfast and keep yourself from eating too much later? Just to keep your metabolism up. Do you have a snack before you go to bed?
You said this happens even when you eat eggs. Are you talking a combination protein and comlex carbs, or just protein. Because it's the combination that most filling.
Some people are just different than the average. If you're tracking your intake and not overeating later than it's not a huge deal. I hope that lunch and afternoon snack are not your only meals in the day. Then you're definitely short changing your metabolism.
Have a good one.0 -
A lot of people give opinions on here that are terrible! Here is info from a Dr. at the Mayo Clinic, also see the link. Who are you going to listen to? I personally NEVER skip breakfast. Just some "food for thought."
Question
Breakfast: How does it help weight control?
Why does eating a healthy breakfast help control weight?
Answer
from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.
Here are some of the ways that regularly eating a healthy breakfast may help you lose excess weight and maintain your weight loss:
Reduced hunger. Eating breakfast may reduce your hunger later in the day, which may make it easier to avoid overeating. When you skip breakfast, you may feel ravenous later and be tempted to reach for a quick fix — such as vending machine candy or doughnuts at the office. In addition, the prolonged fasting that occurs when you skip breakfast can increase your body's insulin response, which in turn increases fat storage and weight gain. In fact, skipping breakfast actually increases your risk of obesity.
Healthy choices. Eating breakfast may get you on track to make healthy choices all day. When you eat breakfast, you tend to eat a healthier overall diet, one that is more nutritious and lower in fat. When you skip breakfast, you're more likely to skip fruits and vegetables the rest of the day, too.
More energy. Eating breakfast may give you energy, increasing your physical activity during the day. A healthy breakfast refuels your body and replenishes the glycogen stores that supply your muscles with immediate energy. Skipping breakfast is associated with decreased physical activity.So, if you skip breakfast — whether you're trying to save time or cut calories — you may want to reconsider, especially if you're trying to control your weight.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/AN01119
Lacking energy or feeling ravenous at lunch are great reasons to eat breakfast! As a matter of fact, that's why I eat breakfast most days.
But ... some people skip breakfast and feel energetic, enthusiastic, and not hungry until lunch.
Bottom line is that people should do what works for them and their body. If breakfast makes you feel crappy, don't eat it! If not having breakfast makes you feel crappy, eat breakfast!0 -
A lot of people give opinions on here that are terrible! Here is info from a Dr. at the Mayo Clinic, also see the link. Who are you going to listen to? I personally NEVER skip breakfast. Just some "food for thought."
Question
Breakfast: How does it help weight control?
Why does eating a healthy breakfast help control weight?
Answer
from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.
Here are some of the ways that regularly eating a healthy breakfast may help you lose excess weight and maintain your weight loss:
Reduced hunger. Eating breakfast may reduce your hunger later in the day, which may make it easier to avoid overeating. When you skip breakfast, you may feel ravenous later and be tempted to reach for a quick fix — such as vending machine candy or doughnuts at the office. In addition, the prolonged fasting that occurs when you skip breakfast can increase your body's insulin response, which in turn increases fat storage and weight gain. In fact, skipping breakfast actually increases your risk of obesity.
Healthy choices. Eating breakfast may get you on track to make healthy choices all day. When you eat breakfast, you tend to eat a healthier overall diet, one that is more nutritious and lower in fat. When you skip breakfast, you're more likely to skip fruits and vegetables the rest of the day, too.
More energy. Eating breakfast may give you energy, increasing your physical activity during the day. A healthy breakfast refuels your body and replenishes the glycogen stores that supply your muscles with immediate energy. Skipping breakfast is associated with decreased physical activity.So, if you skip breakfast — whether you're trying to save time or cut calories — you may want to reconsider, especially if you're trying to control your weight.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/AN01119
I fully agree that these are true for a lot of people. But there is not a single shred of evidence that your metabolism is impacted by breakfast. If someone feels better great! The OP said she did not and therefore another method can be used as long as she meets her calorie needs for the day. Most of the points in this article are behavioral and not physiological. I stil eat fruits, workout daily (fasted) and would never ever touch a doughnut.
Amen.
The key points she made are that that article points out 'behavioral, not physiological' reasons for eating breakfast. As in...if eating breakfast helps you maintain your ability to keep to your daily caloric needs, and not go over...by all means eat breakfast!! It isn't however...necessary for weight loss, fat loss, maintaining or even gaining lean mass, or even *gasp!*...overall health.
And it certainly does NOT impact your metabolism in any way, shape, or form.0 -
Lacking energy or feeling ravenous at lunch are great reasons to eat breakfast! As a matter of fact, that's why I eat breakfast most days.
But ... some people skip breakfast and feel energetic, enthusiastic, and not hungry until lunch.
Bottom line is that people should do what works for them and their body. If breakfast makes you feel crappy, don't eat it! If not having breakfast makes you feel crappy, eat breakfast!
^This is a good point. I don't get why the breakfast crowd feels the need to impose breakfast on everyone else. I am not endangering YOUR breakfast! You stay out of my morning routine, I'll stay out of yours.0 -
Listen to your body, and do what works best for you. Everyone is different. You will know what to do if you're truly in tune with your body.
I have the same problem. Doesn't seem to matter what I eat for breakfast I am hungry (ravenously hungry) all day. Now I have a homemade chai latte made made with Tazo chai and Silk light. Some days I have to force myself to eat the calories (usually not a problem). Listen to your body.0 -
when you haven't eaten for a couple hours, your body slows down its metabolism. this makes sense -- it realizes it's getting less energy, so it stops using energy to store sugar, for example. once you eat something in the morning, or whenever, your body revs up its metabolism -- oh hey, look at all this energy, let's do stuff with it. so for the next couple of hours, you get hungry, because your body is plain old doing more. (this is not the same thing as "starvation mode," which takes >5 days to happen.)
Show me ONE study...just ONE, that proves this horribly perpetuated myth.
You have the whole of the internet, but make sure it's a peer reviewed study (pubmed is a good source).
Ready...go.
i'm not saying it's bad, or that IF is bad, but hunger can be caused by increased metabolism. no judgment on whether/when you choose to eat. it's a scientific fact that after several hours without eating, your body slows down its production of stored sugar and starts breaking down your reserves. when you start eating again, you obtain more energy from glycolysis to use throughout your body. at the beginning of this, your cells can go a little hog wild and use too much of this sugar to compensate --> hunger that should dissipate.0 -
You have turned on your metabolism which is the only way you can lose weight. It is good that you are hungry and you need to eat. Have something small every time you are hungry. Smaller meals throughout the day is one of the keys to a healthy lifestyle.0
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You have turned on your metabolism which is the only way you can lose weight. It is good that you are hungry and you need to eat. Have something small every time you are hungry. Smaller meals throughout the day is one of the keys to a healthy lifestyle.
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You aren't hungry because your body has been fasting all night. You don't need to eat the minute you get up, but within the first hour is usually recommended for consistant weight loss and management.0
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I have the same problem. If I skip breakfast I can eat 1200-1500 calories with breakfast I eat more like 2,000. It makes me so hungry. I think i'm just going to stop skipping it. That or eating it and taking a crazy strong apatite suppressant.0
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SMDHYou aren't hungry because your body has been fasting all night. You don't need to eat the minute you get up, but within the first hour is usually recommended for consistant weight loss and management.
I give up. OP you have some great answers that will point you in the right direction.
Everyone else please feel free to sail off the end of the Earth. lol
But wear a scarf or you might catch the flu!
ETA: Also OP search the message boards - again you will find some excellent resources as well as peer reviewed studies to support what you are doing.0 -
The response about eating more often raising your metabolism is correct. A breakfast heavy in protein, followed by one snack before lunch is a good, healthy routine. I have found it difficult to eat something that sticks with me long enough, but I finally found something that works GREAT for me. Lifetime Life Basics Chocolate Plant Protein is not only high in protein, low in carbs and sugar, all natural and great-tasting.... it sticks to my stomach better than anything ever has. I mix it up with 1.5 cups of Vanilla Silk Amond Milk and sometimes don't even need a mid-morning snack.
It comes out to about 210 calories... and I actually crave it so much I have it for dinner sometimes too.0 -
The reason is it gets your metabolism revved up. The worst thing you can do is skip breakfast. Key to losing is keeping your metabolism going! Plan a snack between breakfast and lunch to help with it. Starving yourself or skipping meals wont help you lose weight...it does the opposite.
This
And your proof?
None of us has concrete proof but this works for me.
That's my point, there IS concrete proof that you don't need to eat breakfast.
If it works for you...that's seriously wonderful. I mean that...but just because it works for you doesn't mean it's necessary. On top of that, you don't even know for sure why it works for you (most often it's hunger control, not everyone gets hungry if they eat breakfast...usually it's people with naturally higher metabolic rates to begin with). That's why quoting a post perpetuating the antiquated belief that your metabolism slows down if you don't eat constantly...is actually hurting more people than it's helping.
Only if you believe fasting is a better route, which I don't.
It has nothing to do with fasting. It has everything to do with the proven way in which our body works. Breakfast isn't necessary.
Period.
Getting your total, healthy caloric needs met, IS important. When that happens is a non issue.
It's like arguin that the earth, is indeed flat...even though you've never been to the edge of it...because you personally have never been around it.The breakfast/meal frequency myth makes me want to punch someone in the face.
Seriously do people not read any of the replies. Or any scientific data for that matter.
Its like being told you will catch a cold walking outside with wet hair.
OP I love IF. You don't need breakfast. You need responders that know what they are talking about.
and this just isn't true.
Again...show me one, single solitary shred of proof of this.
Wow. No where in there did anyone in there either look for or attempt to provide reference to the multiple studies and reports that have been published on this topic. There is tonnes of "proof" out there for someone who reads and keeps up to date on these topics. Just get Googling at the very least and you'll find lots of reports that scientifically support the claims that eating breakfast keeps your metabolism up, tends to keep you from pigging out later in the day, promotes daily healthy eating habbits, keeps your energy up so you have the will the exercise. There is TONNES of scientific support for these claims. I'm not citing them here, get Googling or read some nutrition literature, even magazines.0 -
The response about eating more often raising your metabolism is correct.
Proof?
We've provided ample proof of the opposite. Miss BondBomb has a freaking biochem degree and disagrees with you.
So what makes you say that eating more often raises your metabolism...please?0 -
The reason is it gets your metabolism revved up. The worst thing you can do is skip breakfast. Key to losing is keeping your metabolism going! Plan a snack between breakfast and lunch to help with it. Starving yourself or skipping meals wont help you lose weight...it does the opposite.
This
And your proof?
None of us has concrete proof but this works for me.
That's my point, there IS concrete proof that you don't need to eat breakfast.
If it works for you...that's seriously wonderful. I mean that...but just because it works for you doesn't mean it's necessary. On top of that, you don't even know for sure why it works for you (most often it's hunger control, not everyone gets hungry if they eat breakfast...usually it's people with naturally higher metabolic rates to begin with). That's why quoting a post perpetuating the antiquated belief that your metabolism slows down if you don't eat constantly...is actually hurting more people than it's helping.
Only if you believe fasting is a better route, which I don't.
It has nothing to do with fasting. It has everything to do with the proven way in which our body works. Breakfast isn't necessary.
Period.
Getting your total, healthy caloric needs met, IS important. When that happens is a non issue.
It's like arguin that the earth, is indeed flat...even though you've never been to the edge of it...because you personally have never been around it.The breakfast/meal frequency myth makes me want to punch someone in the face.
Seriously do people not read any of the replies. Or any scientific data for that matter.
Its like being told you will catch a cold walking outside with wet hair.
OP I love IF. You don't need breakfast. You need responders that know what they are talking about.
and this just isn't true.
Again...show me one, single solitary shred of proof of this.
Wow. No where in there did anyone in there either look for or attempt to provide reference to the multiple studies and reports that have been published on this topic. There is tonnes of "proof" out there for someone who reads and keeps up to date on these topics. Just get Googling at the very least and you'll find lots of reports that scientifically support the claims that eating breakfast keeps your metabolism up, tends to keep you from pigging out later in the day, promotes daily healthy eating habbits, keeps your energy up so you have the will the exercise. There is TONNES of scientific support for these claims. I'm not citing them here, get Googling or read some nutrition literature, even magazines.
I'm sorry, but nutrition literature, and magazines don't count. I've spent HOURS and HOURS going over actual studies, and their supporting documentation, and not one of them proves any relation between breakfast, meal timing, metabolism, and health. The ONLY conclusion they could draw was that people who get up early, and eat breakfast, tend to have a lower bodyfat than people who don't. This has since been proven to be the result of DISCIPLINE, not the fact that they're eating breakfast. Even you made the same concession in your initial post.Normally I would cite the studies that show that people who skip breakfast tend to overeat later in the day. But if you're tracking your intake and are not overeating later in the day, then you don't really have to worry about it.
And for the record, I posted a website that is absolutely full of links to studies proving my point. Good thing that the OP went there and looked around too...or she might be falling for the same nutritional myth that so many others fall for.
Again, meal timing has ZERO impact on metabolism. It has been proven in fact, that NOT eating for up to 24hrs, INCREASES your metabolic rate. How can this be true, if the only way to keep your metabolism going 'full speed' is to eat multiple times a day?0 -
Chris I will learn like the rest of the MFP old-schoolers not to bother arguing these threads anymore. Notice they don't even waste time commenting?The response about eating more often raising your metabolism is correct.
Proof?
We've provided ample proof of the opposite. Miss BondBomb has a freaking biochem degree and disagrees with you.
So what makes you say that eating more often raises your metabolism...please?
Anyone with a simple understanding of human biochem would understand that unless you are insulin sensitive (which MOST people are not) then digestion itself would have to increase metabolism for breakfast to have an impact on metabolism. And since every scientist on the planet knows that digestion burns minimal (and I mean MINIMAL) calories and is already factored in to your BMR - which at the LOWEST is typically 1200 calories/ per day. Common sense and basic mathmatics would tell you that digestion would have to burn signifigant calories in order to increase your metabolism. Which again has been proven false.
So to everyone that believes that meal frequency and timing play an important role in actual metabolism, I have a simple test for you.
Go buy a bodyfit. Wear it one day and only eat 2-3 meals and measure your TDEE. Then with the same activity level have 5-6 meals the next day (including breakfast of course). If one person can prove to me that there is any difference at all I will pay for your oldest child's college education (Biochemistry major of course),0 -
@bondbomb
The problem is people want to believe what they've always been told...It's insulting and makes you feel stupid when you find out that what you have always been told/believed is wrong. I get that.
As a fellow science educated person, you have been taught to question everything (I'm chemical engineering, not biochem but the concept is the same). So how do you, a questioner, communicate to a believer that their belief is wrong? You provide studies. If they don't bite, let them believe what makes them feel good. Que sera sera.0 -
Chris I will learn like the rest of the MFP old-schoolers not to bother arguing these threads anymore. Notice they don't even waste time commenting?The response about eating more often raising your metabolism is correct.
Proof?
We've provided ample proof of the opposite. Miss BondBomb has a freaking biochem degree and disagrees with you.
So what makes you say that eating more often raises your metabolism...please?
Anyone with a simple understanding of human biochem would understand that unless you are insulin sensitive (which MOST people are not) then digestion itself would have to increase metabolism for breakfast to have an impact on metabolism. And since every scientist on the planet knows that digestion burns minimal (and I mean MINIMAL) calories and is already factored in to your BMR - which at the LOWEST is typically 1200 calories/ per day. Common sense and basic mathmatics would tell you that digestion would have to burn signifigant calories in order to increase your metabolism. Which again has been proven false.
So to everyone that believes that meal frequency and timing play an important role in actual metabolism, I have a simple test for you.
Go buy a bodyfit. Wear it one day and only eat 2-3 meals and measure your TDEE. Then with the same activity level have 5-6 meals the next day (including breakfast of course). If one person can prove to me that there is any difference at all I will pay for your oldest child's college education (Biochemistry major of course),@bondbomb
The problem is people want to believe what they've always been told...It's insulting and makes you feel stupid when you find out that what you have always been told/believed is wrong. I get that.
As a fellow science educated person, you have been taught to question everything (I'm chemical engineering, not biochem but the concept is the same). So how do you, a questioner, communicate to a believer that their belief is wrong? You provide studies. If they don't bite, let them believe what makes them feel good. Que sera sera.
:flowerforyou: to you both.0 -
Thanks for all your help! I'm pretty skeptical in general so this makes a lot of sense to me. So much "old wisdom" isn't true I've found, it sounds like listening to your body is what's best and in general I'm a big proponent of that. I'm definitely going to look into IF.
SMDHYou aren't hungry because your body has been fasting all night. You don't need to eat the minute you get up, but within the first hour is usually recommended for consistant weight loss and management.
I give up. OP you have some great answers that will point you in the right direction.
Everyone else please feel free to sail off the end of the Earth. lol
But wear a scarf or you might catch the flu!
ETA: Also OP search the message boards - again you will find some excellent resources as well as peer reviewed studies to support what you are doing.0 -
I have the same problem.0
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you need to eat a mid morning snack to keep sugar levels right, eat a hearty protein breakfast like eggs or oatmeal, then have mid morning snack, with some fruit, a protein shake or yogurt, as you should eat 6 small meals instead of 3 big ones, sugar levels get all bonkers0
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I'm not a big morning eater, but I started eating something small (~300 cal) in the mornings before I workout. Just never really considered that I could workout without food.
So question for crisanderson2, since you seem to be the most knowledgable on this subject: Am I going to experience any negative side effects if I don't eat before I workout? I usually wake about 6:30am, and get to the track at 9:30am to run 5k before strength training for 30-45 minutes. I have to be super picky about my breakfast because I get cramps very easily, it would be super if I could just skip that step.
The problem with substantial amounts of cardio, is that it very heavily depletes the glycogen stored in your muscles, which DOES need to be maintained, or your body will end up eating its own lean mass instead of bodyfat. If it were me, I'd do my strength traiing in the AM (with a short, 5-10 minute moderate to high intensity cardio warmup), and any cardio in the evening after I'd taken the time to eat. Most people recommend heavy cardio on totally different days than strength training, partially for this reason.
With two little people underfoot, I workout in the mornings during preschool hours because that's the only time I can. I'm trying to wean away from the heavy cardio (it was only within the past two months that I started splitting my time evenly with strength training), but there's just something about that 45 minutes on the track that keeps me sane.
Oh well, at least now I won't feel guilty for skipping breakfast on the days that I'm not running.
This has been very interesting (if a bit frustrating with the responders that obviously didn't bother to read through the comments) to follow, thank you for all of the great information, and thanks to all for keeping it polite and on topic 0 -
I don't care what any fitness or health guru says, I DEFINITELY eat more throughout the day if I eat breakfast. Say I eat porridge at 8am... I'm really hungry again by 10.
EDIT: I do, however, tend to have a little something at around 10-11am, usually, an apple, grapefruit or toast.0 -
skipping breakfast is fine, the metabolism stuff is a myth
Personally, I've always been a breakfast eater and don't function well without it. But that's ME, and this is about YOU. Without reading through pages and pages of responses, I have to agree with the above comment from UponThisRock.
If eating breakfast doesn't work for you at this time, don't do it. If after months of observing/noting what your body is doing (hunger signals, are you losing weight/gaining weight, etc)...if you think eating breakfast will be helpful to you, try it. The worst that happens is that you go back to skipping breakfast. Lots of people do it and have no weight issues. :glasses:0 -
If it doesn't work for you, don't eat it! I just go by how I feel when I wake up in the morning.0
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I never use to even eat breakfast, sometimes the first thing I ate was literally a bag of hot cheetos and a candy bar.
NOW, I eat breakfast and eat more proper. I have either eggs, cereals or oatmeal for breakfast daily.
AND YES! I do find myself gettin hungry still, but what I do is: its about "CONTROL"...
I eat my morning breakfast 8am
mid morning snack 10am
lunch 12pm
mid afternoon snack 3pm
dinner 5pm or 6pm
evening snack 7pm or 8pm
Thats what everyday looks like for me and you have to be Consistent. Ur body will be trained and it will love u for this and no more hunger pains for me!!!! I also eat around 1900 per day, no more and no less.. My body is fueled all day long.. and Im losing weight again the healthy way. 0 -
I am not a breakfast person either, so I put a scoop of my chocolate protein powder into my coffee...kills 2 birds with one stone, and it tastes pretty good...not like a real mocha but it's better than plain coffee. 0
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