mini rant for those of you who "binge"
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I kind of agree with you, and I think part of it has to do with people just loosely using the term "binge" and not thinking about the actual meaning or clinical definition of it. And since you actually suffer from binge eating disorder, you are probably hyper-aware of people mentioning a word that describes something which has the power to control your life.
I think of like OCD...I suffer from OCD (and believe me, sometimes "suffer" is just the tip of the iceberg), so I really really hate it when people say things like "I'm really OCD about that" when they talk about cleaning their house or counting their calories or arranging their closet. Cleaning a lot or avoiding germs or thousands of other behaviors ranging from casual to a little over-the-top do NOT constitute having OCD, and it's pretty insulting to people who really have OCD when others just throw around the term like it's a common and casual thing. Some say I'm being oversenitive, but I think a lot of people in this world are UNDERsensitive. And you never know what silent problems people all around you are suffering from.0 -
just putting this out there to set the record straight; it makes my skin crawl to see some people logging a 400 calorie snack attack as a an "OMG massive, disgusting, binge." there is a DIFFERENCE between someone who overeats a few hundred cals (usually because theyre depriving themselves) and someone who gorges themselves on a few THOUSAND calories because of emotional reasons. for someone like myself who's had 3k-5k emotional and horribly compulsive binges, its a slap in the face when i see people who call these ~under 1000 calorie meals~ "binges." its just overeating. i feel like theyre totally misinformed, saying they have a problem that is actually very serious for other people.
am i crazy or am i right? i see it time and time again.....
Personally I don't think you are right and saying that someone who feels that for them 800 calories is a binge makes your skin crawl is really saying something about your personality and how you view other people in the world.0 -
:ohwell: quite simply what does it matter what anyone else says?
Why get on your high horse about someone elses journey??
Have you nothing better to do with your time than compose posts called 'mini rants'?
I am sure MFP is a supportive tool, used to support each other not pull each other to pieces!0 -
I hate when people try to own eating disorders and make them exclusive, like when you can't be considered "anorexic" if you have a healthy BMI.
About the anorexia comment, usually to be classified as anorexic you have to have a BMI lower than 18.5 and there's also the loss of your period. That's why there's EDNOS, for people that might be anorexic in the sense that they starve themselves but still have a healthy BMI/still have not lost their period.
The point is, writing someone's illness off because they don't match clinical definitions is offensive in my opinion. Thanks for being an example of what I was talking about.0 -
A lot of people who are saying there's no difference between a 500 calorie snack and a 5000 caloric binge is grossly mistaken and should reconsider/educate themselves on what Binge Eating Disorder really is. People who say they binge on 500 calories are insulting those who really struggle from the disorder.
Agreed. I would admit that I suffer from BED and I actually am seeking treatment for it within the next couple of weeks. It is not something one can just control. And yes... it does irk me when someone is agonizing over a 400 calorie "indulgence" where I wish I could just stop there. For me it's upwards of 5,000 calories later, bloated face, calling in sick to work that I can truly diagnose it as a binge. Perhaps OP could've been more specific as to how much she actually suffers with binging but I don't believe she owes any of us that. She was just venting a little frustration and I'm just going to defend her and her feelings because they are justified.0 -
I hate when people try to own eating disorders and make them exclusive, like when you can't be considered "anorexic" if you have a healthy BMI.
About the anorexia comment, usually to be classified as anorexic you have to have a BMI lower than 18.5 and there's also the loss of your period. That's why there's EDNOS, for people that might be anorexic in the sense that they starve themselves but still have a healthy BMI/still have not lost their period.
Yep! My psychologist says I fit into this category. I fit the majority the criteria except that I am in the normal weight for my height. But I still don't get my TOM, have horrible body image, and restrict.0 -
Everyone seems to be forgetting the major fact that most everyone on this site is eating at a deficit. If eating 500 cals over your BMR, for argument sake, is 1600, then a 900cal intake over that would be "over-indulgence". Someone on a foolish ABC/HCG diet, whos eating 500 cals/day, and then eats 900cals is NOT over-indulgence, it is providing energy and nutrients your body NEEDS.0
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I hate when people try to own eating disorders and make them exclusive, like when you can't be considered "anorexic" if you have a healthy BMI.
About the anorexia comment, usually to be classified as anorexic you have to have a BMI lower than 18.5 and there's also the loss of your period. That's why there's EDNOS, for people that might be anorexic in the sense that they starve themselves but still have a healthy BMI/still have not lost their period.
The point is, writing someone's illness off because they don't match clinical definitions is offensive in my opinion. Thanks for being an example of what I was talking about.
I was only stating, sorry if I offended.
I have an eating disorder but I know I'm not classified as anorexic. I've got EDNOS and it sure as hell doesn't make it any less serious. 0 -
After reading some of these replies, I cannot leave this thread without posting.
I agree with you. 100%. I am trying to recover from a cyclical combination of binge eating/restricting/over exercising and, sure, sometimes I have what I call "mini binges" which are usually 1000 calories or so, but that's not REALLY a binge.
When I binge, it is usually late at night or early in the morning and the binges I am recovering from are routinely 2000-3000 calories, and sometimes even more. I've had 5000 calorie binges before! THOSE are binges. Binge eating is defined as consuming large quantities of food in a short period of time. A 500 calorie "splurge" for a snack when you usually have a 200 calorie snack is hardly a binge, it's a treat, MAYBE an overeat, but not a binge.
When my "binges" are down to 500 calories, I'll be pleased.
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i struggle with emotional binges of thousands of calories, but i still get angry with myself if i go over what i planned for the day...even if its only a couple hundred calories, because either way ive failed to control myself0
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its the emotion and the compulsion that makes it a binge, not the quantity. its the loss of control. not the number of calories. i think a lot of people do mistake over eating and feeling guilty with a binge though. but i dont see how the amount of calories you eat determines weather its a binge or not.
Agreed. There's a huge difference between me eating too much at dinner and losing control late at night. Even if losing control means binging on only 400 calories.Because it doesn't matter if I'm eating 3 bags of frozen broccoli or 3 bags of chips. That's binging.
Obviously depends what you binge on. But, as a binger, I do know that a binge is a compulsive, uncontrollable consumption of massive amounts of food. Did it last night.0 -
I hate when people try to own eating disorders and make them exclusive, like when you can't be considered "anorexic" if you have a healthy BMI.
About the anorexia comment, usually to be classified as anorexic you have to have a BMI lower than 18.5 and there's also the loss of your period. That's why there's EDNOS, for people that might be anorexic in the sense that they starve themselves but still have a healthy BMI/still have not lost their period.
The point is, writing someone's illness off because they don't match clinical definitions is offensive in my opinion. Thanks for being an example of what I was talking about.
I was only stating, sorry if I offended. I have an eating disorder but I know I'm not classified as anorexic. I've got EDNOS and it sure as hell doesn't make it any less serious.
Sorry to jump on you like that. I was just reminded of the time when I was told by a person in an eating disorder clinic that I couldn't actually be suffering from an eating disorder because I was so overweight, and therefore didn't deserve to be in the treatment group, so that's why I have lots of feelings on the matter.0 -
^^^That, right there, is exactly right.Most of the girls who say they "binge" are already on a massive caloric deficit, when they eat anything under 1k, it is fuel that their body can USE. A real binge in terms of the disordered binge is a massive intake over which the body can naturally utilize in the course of a day, within their TDEE. So yes, a binge does have a threshold of calories before it can be considered one. The "compulsion" is not a compulsion as it is someone eating to refuel their body. A binge is a compulsive eating in which surpasses hunger AND what the body can naturally process/utilize in the course of a day, accounting for your BMR and TDEE.0 -
am i crazy or am i right? i see it time and time again.....
stop worrying about everyone else. let me do me and you do you.
Agreed. Everything is relative. Take care of you and ignore others, because in the end it's not a competition. What may not seem like a binge to you, may feel like a binge to the person experiencing it.0 -
sorry but i disagree. all of you are entitled to your opinions just as well as i am entitled to mine.
Right...you're also entitled to keep your BS opinions to yourself instead of posting them on a public forum when they are intended to belittle people that you seem to think aren't as f'd up as you are. If you want to have a pissing contest over who eat's more like *kitten* then we can but my big flabby *kitten* gut thinks the girl in your profile picture should shut up about binging.
And if I get reported for this post then so be it. Get off your high horse.
This. I agree with it completely. Nobody has the right here - or even the ability - to define anybody else, they aren't qualified in any way to do so. Keep your focus on your own goals and getting the help you need to be healthy, wherever that comes from.
There are far too many posters here who can't seem to get through their days without lecturing others; perhaps it makes them feel better not having to look at themselves too closely and resolve their own fairly significant issues. Stop it, please.0 -
Quite frankly what I hear in your "rant" is the significant pain and struggle you don't want to have minimized. I hear your pain and I'm so sorry for this experience for you. The fact that it bothers you that others use the word "binge" without really understanding a BAD SIGNIFICANT binge just makes me guess you are still struggling, still in pain and still working through it all. Hang in there... Keep working and healing and someday you will be so strong and filled with so much self confidence and self love that it won't ever bother you.0
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Mini-rants are annoying to me. If you want to call it a rant, you should make it a super-mega-uber-rant.
You barely even sound upset. Sheesh.0 -
I hate when people try to own eating disorders and make them exclusive, like when you can't be considered "anorexic" if you have a healthy BMI.
About the anorexia comment, usually to be classified as anorexic you have to have a BMI lower than 18.5 and there's also the loss of your period. That's why there's EDNOS, for people that might be anorexic in the sense that they starve themselves but still have a healthy BMI/still have not lost their period.
The point is, writing someone's illness off because they don't match clinical definitions is offensive in my opinion. Thanks for being an example of what I was talking about.
I was only stating, sorry if I offended. I have an eating disorder but I know I'm not classified as anorexic. I've got EDNOS and it sure as hell doesn't make it any less serious.
Sorry to jump on you like that. I was just reminded of the time when I was told by a person in an eating disorder clinic that I couldn't actually be suffering from an eating disorder because I was so overweight, and therefore didn't deserve to be in the treatment group, so that's why I have lots of feelings on the matter.
No worries, I get emotional too when people say stuff like that. I just wanted to clarify that I know it's not any less serious if you're not classified as anorexic.0 -
I hate when people try to own eating disorders and make them exclusive, like when you can't be considered "anorexic" if you have a healthy BMI.
About the anorexia comment, usually to be classified as anorexic you have to have a BMI lower than 18.5 and there's also the loss of your period. That's why there's EDNOS, for people that might be anorexic in the sense that they starve themselves but still have a healthy BMI/still have not lost their period.
You might be interested in the proposed updates to the DSM for eating disorders.
http://www.dsm5.org/proposedrevision/pages/feedingandeatingdisorders.aspx0 -
Sometimes when I see the 400-calorie binges labelled as "big *kitten* binge" it upsets me because I feel like they're using it as an excuse to have other people tell them to not worry, that the 400 calorie "binge" isn't bad at all...because I know when I really binge, I'm ashamed to put it on any website. I don't want anyone seeing it. I don't want anyone knowing about it. Eating 20,000+ calories in one day is not something I could want anyone else to see. One of my friends saw part of one of my binges once and she got this absolutely fascinated/disgusted look on her face...I almost cried. But I didn't stop eating.
And it has nothing to do with weight, I'm at 5'8" and 128 pounds, more or less.
So in this I have to say I absolutely agree with you.0 -
Binge Eating Disorder is NOT just consuming a massive amount of calories. I know because somewhere along the line I developed this. It is my personal belief, that yes, a lot of people who claim they have eating disorders could have prevented it because they made a conscious effort to develop it. Eating disorders are being used as excuses as to why someone over or under eats. It is a way to shift the blame in a sense to their eating disorder because of the belief that the eating disorder is in essence an uncontrollable mental disease. That bit is my personal opinion.
However, binge eating disorder, like others have said, isn't about the quantity. Binge eating disorder and compulsive eating disorder are mostly emotional and one of the biggest behavioral symptoms is feeling out of control and unable to stop eating. Other symptoms are yes, eating large amounts of food in a short amount of time and eating despite feeling full. There are usually also a lot of emotional symptoms associated with binge eating. So just because someone doesn't consume as many calories as someone else does not mean they have this eating disorder and just over eat, because a binge is a binge no matter how much you consume if it is uncontrollable and compulsive.
I think why some people binge less is because they might have a better handle on their disorder. They start out feeling not in control yet are able to regain control and make themselves stop. I know I've personally done that lately and consumed less. It's like trying to recover from any other eating disorder by taking back control over your diet/life.0 -
I agree with some of the posts that you should stop worrying about what the others call a binge - delete them if it bothers you, and move on.
However, its obvious that some people don't understand the difference between an overeating binge and a binge. Binge eating is an actual eating disorder, it is NOT the same as overeating, or giving into temptation or anything you can control.
To highlight the difference let me put it this way. When I have given into temptation, its because I fancied a bit of something, like chocolate or crisps. When I have an actual binge, as part of Binge Eating Disorder, I will eat anything and everything I can get my hands on, and even when I feel like I'm going to throw up I can't stop. I've been so desperate I've gone through my bin in the hope of finding anything edible. So no, an over-eating binge and a binge are not the same thing.0 -
I'm sorry that you're binging with so many calories.
If I binge with a small amount of calories, it still sucks for me.0 -
A binge means different amount to different people! It's the way you feel while you are eating - for me, at least.0
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A binge means something different for everyone.
Like you said the definition of a binge is eating, "unusually large amounts of food"
Everyone has a different idea of what an unusually large amount of food is. For me its something like eating 4 slices of pizza as opposed to my usual one slice. It's not necessarily the amount of calories you are eating, its a little more about the amount of food you are eating.
For me, I classify a binge as thoughtless overeating, and sometimes uncontrollable eating.
Someone who has never had a binging disorder or has never binged on 3-5 thousand calories is going to think of it much differently than you are.
Just keep in mind, words mean different things to different people.0 -
its the emotion and the compulsion that makes it a binge, not the quantity. its the loss of control. not the number of calories. i think a lot of people do mistake over eating and feeling guilty with a binge though. but i dont see how the amount of calories you eat determines weather its a binge or not.
Exactly. If I compulsively eat 500 calories and then go puke it up, I have a binge purge issue.0 -
A binge can be different for everybody. If it's something that the person feels out of control during and is not normal then it could be classified as a binge. Even if it is just 600 calories. That can cause a lot of mental stress and anxiety for an individual for the following days. A binge does not have a certain number of calories it must be to be classified as such.0
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Funny. I actually deleted you because you always posted status of how you "binged" all day. You had these statuses almost daily, but you netted like 1500 calories. I don't really understand why you posted this.0
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Didn't realize the amount of calories someone is over directly correlates with your weight loss...
And for the record...I feel like *kitten* when I eat 2000 extra calories just like I feel like *kitten* when I eat 500 extra calories. And it's not emotional for me. It's an addiction to junk food which I'm fully aware of and doing my best to work through. But judging other people because they aren't binging as much as you are is just flat out stupid.
This. Well said!
yes. an opinion is just that. not everyone has the same challenge as you do and not everyone's the same as me. learn to help and guide instead of putting them down and saying things that are hurtful.0 -
am i crazy or am i right? i see it time and time again.....
stop worrying about everyone else. let me do me and you do you.
This! 0
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