The Fat Acceptance Movement… Thoughts??
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For most of my life I don't particularly notice someones weight, don't notice what others eat, don't notice their lifestyle.
However there are times (and now is one of those) where I need to lose some weight and get back in shape. During those times I get OBSESSED! I am on here all the time! I look at overweight people and think why on earth don't they do something about it. See people in McDs and wonder what on earth they are doing! I check EVERY little bit of nutritional information on a food and wonder why everyone is not doing the same.
I think we (the dieters/healthy eaters/gym goers/runners) do have a bit of a 'holier than thou' attitude. I know I certainly do and it's not good. I dread to think what 'Fit Rob' would say to 'Chub Rob' if they ever met - Fit Rob would probably end up nursing a well-deserved bloody nose!0 -
There are some benefits to being fat that I'm slowly realizing. The most obvious benefit to me now is that sitting or laying on hard surfaces is so much easier on your bones when you're fat.
It surprises me that people think others can't possibly be okay with being fat. I think that of course there are people that "say" they're okay with being fat when they actually aren't (for whatever reason), but I do believe there are people who are okay with being fat.
As for television shows that "glorify" people for being fat, if you don't like them, don't watch them. I don't understand why people have a problem with how fat other people are. The only time I take issue with someone else's weight is if they're sitting next to me on an airplane (although I used to be THAT person and I flew a lot so I was generally feeling sorry for the person next to me even when I got to turn left). I am not saying it's inappropriate to judge someone based on their weight, but if people truly accept being fat, they will have (or should have) already taken that into consideration.
Wow, I'm generally very sorry for you. There's nothing okay with being fat. No one should accept their bodies this way. I've never hit unhealthy BMI, but I've had other very unhealthy habits. Such as smoking - you bet your a** that I felt nauseous thinking about what I was doing to myself every single day... So one day.. I stopped. Probably too late because I;m 22 with the lung capacity of a 60 yr old.. but I'm healing.. the fact is there was nothing okay with that. I had people around me everyday for 7+ years telling me how NOT okay that was. Eventually... it came down to me making a decision to be better. That's what it comes down to. If you love yourself, you treat yourself well. Treating yourself well involves being healthy and being at a healthy weight and working on it. No one said it'd be easy... they just said it'd be worth it.
I do agree with your post above this one where you mention that it is just a choice to become healthy and it really isn't difficult to "put down the fork."
I'm really not sure why you're "generally very sorry" for ME.
People are allowed to make their own decisions. I'd like for you to tell me why it's not okay for someone to accept being fat. Anything you say about them being not healthy if they're fat is something that that person clearly already knows and they've accepted being fat. Maybe they don't have an issue with living life to the fullest (literally
) and dying at 45. If that's the choice they want to make, why is it not okay for them to make that choice?
Also, just for the record, it's entirely possible for someone to be both fat and healthy just as it's entirely possible (and quite common) for someone to be thin and unhealthy.0 -
I think if smoking were still cheap, socially accepted, and as strongly advertised as our junk food is today, the number of smokers would never have decreased and would probably still be increasing. Likewise, if junk foods were heavily taxed, socially unacceptable, and if all of the junk food ads (and weight loss "diet" ads) disappeared from TV and magazines, obesity wouldn't be as much of a problem. I'm not necessarily calling for more taxes or legislation on food, I just find it to be an interesting comparison. In general I don't think the majority of people will change if they are not forced in some way to do so whether it be economically or socially or maybe even a health scare. However, I know a lot of people who have health problems or have family members with health problems relating to obesity and they are still not motivated to change.0
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Should we discriminate against fat people? Of course not. They are no different from you or your neighbor or...ANYONE. They're just fat.
I agree with most of what you said. I will say that I have no problem with people judging other people for being fat. I think fitness does say something about personality. However, people who "choose" to be fat are aware or should be aware of how it makes them look to other people. This is simply one factor in their decision of whether to remain fat or not. If they choose to remain fat, I really don't understand why people are saying that isn't "okay".0 -
I think if smoking were still cheap, socially accepted, and as strongly advertised as our junk food is today, the number of smokers would never have decreased and would probably still be increasing. Likewise, if junk foods were heavily taxed, socially unacceptable, and if all of the junk food ads (and weight loss "diet" ads) disappeared from TV and magazines, obesity wouldn't be as much of a problem. I'm not necessarily calling for more taxes or legislation on food, I just find it to be an interesting comparison. In general I don't think the majority of people will change if they are not forced in some way to do so whether it be economically or socially or maybe even a health scare. However, I know a lot of people who have health problems or have family members with health problems relating to obesity and they are still not motivated to change.
That's interesting. I do think it's a little different since food is a necessity and it's a choice about type as opposed to whether or not to purchase it. Since fast food is cheaper, I think one of the major motivating factors is price. If they were to increase prices through taxes, I think it would definitely be interesting to see the effect it has (although I would personally be against any such tax).0 -
Should we discriminate against fat people? Of course not. They are no different from you or your neighbor or...ANYONE. They're just fat.
I agree with most of what you said. I will say that I have no problem with people judging other people for being fat. I think fitness does say something about personality. However, people who "choose" to be fat are aware or should be aware of how it makes them look to other people. This is simply one factor in their decision of whether to remain fat or not. If they choose to remain fat, I really don't understand why people are saying that isn't "okay".
But how does one distinguish one who chooses to be fat and one who hates being fat without being explicitly being told?
It is a matter of personal opinion. If you are looking for tolerance of people REMAINING fat because they choose to, you're on the wrong forum, I think. People don't join MFP to keep chowing down McDonald's value meals and say "I'm happy being fat". They are here for a reason, which is predominantly to lose weight. So acceptance of a person who wants to NOT lose weight in a community who does nothing BUT encourage others to lose weight is likely going to be non-existent.
Not saying you don't have a valid point - people will do what they will do. But I imagine most people here won't share that perspective.0 -
I have mixed feelings about the movement.
On one hand, I think we should accept people at all sizes and weights. Weight is not an indicator of healthy, and there are some people who are "overweight" according to BMI, but can still out run, out lift, and out do someone like me, who is at a healthy weight.
However, I do see people use it as an excuse to remain unhealthy sometimes. It's great that they're secure in their body (which sometimes I feel this movement actually acts as a cover for their body insecurity), but if you love your body, don't you want to take care of it? I would really prefer a "health at any size" movement.0 -
when i see a morbidly obese person i see someone suffering from addiction... and should any type of unhealthy addiction be accepted?? my opinion is no.0
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i can speak only for myself here..
i used to feel so... (i'm fat, so what? i'm happy!) but then i felt like i was lying to myself this whole time... which i was. I was tired and sluggish all the time, i kept asking for bigger sizes... then i realised how unhappy i was.
i'm healthier and truly happier now.
so to answer the question... i dont accept that, i think it's a cop out and an excuse because we've tried other things to lose weight and it didnt work out. instead of keeping trying to find something that does work, (cause something will) out of frustration its better to "accept" it
Old habits are extremely HARD to kick, it takes an immense amount of discipline which some people arent ready for. I wasnt before now.0 -
Should we discriminate against fat people? Of course not. They are no different from you or your neighbor or...ANYONE. They're just fat.
I agree with most of what you said. I will say that I have no problem with people judging other people for being fat. I think fitness does say something about personality. However, people who "choose" to be fat are aware or should be aware of how it makes them look to other people. This is simply one factor in their decision of whether to remain fat or not. If they choose to remain fat, I really don't understand why people are saying that isn't "okay".
But how does one distinguish one who chooses to be fat and one who hates being fat without being explicitly being told?
It is a matter of personal opinion. If you are looking for tolerance of people REMAINING fat because they choose to, you're on the wrong forum, I think. People don't join MFP to keep chowing down McDonald's value meals and say "I'm happy being fat". They are here for a reason, which is predominantly to lose weight. So acceptance of a person who wants to NOT lose weight in a community who does nothing BUT encourage others to lose weight is likely going to be non-existent.
Not saying you don't have a valid point - people will do what they will do. But I imagine most people here won't share that perspective.
My point, though, is that it doesn't matter. Why do you need to distinguish between someone who wants to be skinnier and someone who simply chooses to be fat. If you are looking to encourage them to become more fit, you would be close enough to them to simply talk about how they feel about themselves. Otherwise, their fitness should be irrelevant to you.
Also, for the record, I have not chosen to accept being fat. I didn't like being fat so I've chosen to lose weight. But, that was MY CHOICE and I made it for various reasons including how other people view fat people. However, if I had made the choice to not lose weight, I fail to see how that's not "okay."0 -
i dont think anyone chooses to be fat...they just accept their addiction to food.Should we discriminate against fat people? Of course not. They are no different from you or your neighbor or...ANYONE. They're just fat.
I agree with most of what you said. I will say that I have no problem with people judging other people for being fat. I think fitness does say something about personality. However, people who "choose" to be fat are aware or should be aware of how it makes them look to other people. This is simply one factor in their decision of whether to remain fat or not. If they choose to remain fat, I really don't understand why people are saying that isn't "okay".
But how does one distinguish one who chooses to be fat and one who hates being fat without being explicitly being told?
It is a matter of personal opinion. If you are looking for tolerance of people REMAINING fat because they choose to, you're on the wrong forum, I think. People don't join MFP to keep chowing down McDonald's value meals and say "I'm happy being fat". They are here for a reason, which is predominantly to lose weight. So acceptance of a person who wants to NOT lose weight in a community who does nothing BUT encourage others to lose weight is likely going to be non-existent.
Not saying you don't have a valid point - people will do what they will do. But I imagine most people here won't share that perspective.
My point, though, is that it doesn't matter. Why do you need to distinguish between someone who wants to be skinnier and someone who simply chooses to be fat. If you are looking to encourage them to become more fit, you would be close enough to them to simply talk about how they feel about themselves. Otherwise, their fitness should be irrelevant to you.
Also, for the record, I have not chosen to accept being fat. I didn't like being fat so I've chosen to lose weight. But, that was MY CHOICE and I made it for various reasons including how other people view fat people. However, if I had made the choice to not lose weight, I fail to see how that's not "okay."0 -
I think if smoking were still cheap, socially accepted, and as strongly advertised as our junk food is today, the number of smokers would never have decreased and would probably still be increasing. Likewise, if junk foods were heavily taxed, socially unacceptable, and if all of the junk food ads (and weight loss "diet" ads) disappeared from TV and magazines, obesity wouldn't be as much of a problem. I'm not necessarily calling for more taxes or legislation on food, I just find it to be an interesting comparison. In general I don't think the majority of people will change if they are not forced in some way to do so whether it be economically or socially or maybe even a health scare. However, I know a lot of people who have health problems or have family members with health problems relating to obesity and they are still not motivated to change.
That's interesting. I do think it's a little different since food is a necessity and it's a choice about type as opposed to whether or not to purchase it. Since fast food is cheaper, I think one of the major motivating factors is price. If they were to increase prices through taxes, I think it would definitely be interesting to see the effect it has (although I would personally be against any such tax).
Ok how about the opposite - tax incentives on healthy food, just as we have tax incentives on low poluting cars to help towards a healthier environment, why can't we have for example, no tax on fruit and veg? Burgers taxed but lean meat tax free? Fizzy drinks taxed but bottled water tax free?0 -
I have known and loved many in the fat acceptance movement. I like strong, powerful people.
Weight is not the be-all of health. These are individuals that swim marathons in the ocean! Individuals who eat clean, delicious food they cook themselves. Despite my years boxing, and the belt on my wall - these are individuals who could take me down in a heartbeat if such was their whim. These are individuals who love themselves and thier bodies.
And yes, these are individuals who still are capable of feeling stung when they are judged, belittled or verbally attacked.
No, shoveling junk into your body is not healthy or a act of self-love. But there are those that do that and are skinny. Size isn't the issue. Eating well, exercising often...these are indications of health. Not size.
The woman who wants to be the largest in the world is as sad a case as the one who wants to have the most children.
And many heavyweight boxers can be judged as 'fat' as well.
Agreed.
I don't agree with fat acceptance in the sense of just giving up and not trying to do anything good for your body. I do agree in the sense of not obsessing over the number on the scale. I know a number of people who would consider themselves to be pro-fat acceptance that make an effort to eat healthy and exercise, but just don't fixate on changing the number.
Many have tried extreme diets, lost weight, and put more back on over and over, or have had serious eating disorders in the past. I like the idea of Health at Every Size....where no matter what size you may be, you still do your best to eat healthy nutritious things in reasonable quantities, and get regular exercise.
I've known plenty of fat people who eat well and exercise and thin people who play video games all day and live on fast food. One guy I know runs every morning, lifts weights , circuit trains, does martial arts, and has calves like rock....yet and he's about 300lbs with a gut on him. Another guy I know weights at most 120, really small guy, and omg could he EAT...he'd eat two double whoppers or huge plates of nachos at a sitting, never gained an ounce. Always baffled the rest of us. But 10 years later his cholesterol and bp were just horrid, even though he was still thin, and he was still chain smoking too. The bigger guy might be healthier if he weighed less, but he's still better off over all than if he weighed that and was a couch potato, and I'm guessing he'll do better in the end than the skinny whopper eating chain smoker.0 -
Ok how about the opposite - tax incentives on healthy food, just as we have tax incentives on low poluting cars to help towards a healthier environment, why can't we have for example, no tax on fruit and veg? Burgers taxed but lean meat tax free? Fizzy drinks taxed but bottled water tax free?
Yeah, I think it would be very interesting to see the consequences of something like that as well. I think there's a good possibility it could result in people eating healthier. I personally still would not vote for that, but that's for philosophical reasons, not really general health reasons.
Unfortunately, I think these are all hypothetical in the US due to the lobbying power of the American Cattle Association and the fact that they basically run the USDA.0 -
I think its because people have very very sick and wrong preconceptions about other people.
Granted, an obese person is probably obese because they don't do anything and eat bad food. A morbidly obese person... well... yeah.
Like said above, many heavy weight boxers and wrestlers can be considered fat, and they are also 10x more fit than most anyone you know.
I was asked last year how I play soccer with a gut so big. Like I had found a way to jump to the moon or something so impossible.
I know several "fat" friends who are about 15-20 lbs overweight, have bellies, and can outrun and out lift most people. That's my anecdotal fact. They also have to deal with a lot of the social stigmas that most non-fat people give them... like the assumptions that they sit at home rolling in twinky dust and pounding down big macs every day while drinking from a five liter bottle of coke.
The vast majority of the "fit" women i know in my life can't even run a mile. Several smoke, almost all eat poorly, but because they have low body fat they consider themselves fit and society in general treats them like queens with high social worth because they are beautiful, even though their habits are appaling.
On the flip side two of my good buddies are both very tall men and have about 14% or less body fat. They both have 28" waists. Those two by themselves put down more food than a horse. I'm talking a five thousand or more calorie diet a day. And they don't work out. Yet they stay thin.
I've been plateaued out at 20 lbs overweight since Nov and I put in 20-25 mile runs a week and a lot of gym time and my diet stays reasonable. Lately it's harsh because I'm trying to break the plateau. But if you don't know me and you see me out on the street with my gut you'd assume that I'm greasing my belly down with KFC chicken grease and putting away a box of ding dongs for a post meal snack. (I average 2200 calories a day and am now on a 1600 calorie a day diet). That's the thing that burns me... is when someone who doesn't have to deal with being fat assumes that fat people do nothing all day. Then I compare that with my two buddies who have also never been fat but put down 3x more food and calories than I do when the "calories in calories out" mantra says they should be 400 lbs by now. I'm out running 5 miles or a 10k, they are at the bar pounding down high calorie beers and putting whole pizzas away.
They joke on me because when we go out people assume I'm the one pounding the pizzas and beer and they are the ones that work out. One will down a gallon of milk a day and ask me if I hate them because if I did that I'd be 350 lbs. They know its unfair, they joke about it... I joke about it with them (i joke that being near their food makes me gain the weight that they aren't)
I think when I see fat acceptance its not that I say we should encourage people to be fat no more than I'd encourage a heroin addict to keep threading the needle. What I think of when I see fat acceptance is to realize that your stereotypes and what you think are fact are in fact nothing more than feeling superior because you aren't fat and you are treated better because of it.
Being thin doesn't mean someone works out. Being fat doesn't mean someone twinky delves and doesn't work out.0 -
I think when I see fat acceptance its not that I say we should encourage people to be fat no more than I'd encourage a heroin addict to keep threading the needle. What I think of when I see fat acceptance is to realize that your stereotypes and what you think are fact are in fact nothing more than feeling superior because you aren't fat and you are treated better because of it.
Being thin doesn't mean someone works out. Being fat doesn't mean someone twinky delves and doesn't work out.
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I've seen alot of this on my sister's facebook page. I think it's great. They post pictures of girls of ALL different sizes and shapes saying "I'm beautiful" or something along those lines and then they get 10,000 likes. If people can look at a girl who is a size 20 can accept her as beautiful and give her confidence, I'm all for it!
I don't think it's an excuse to stay overweight and certainly hope it doesn't become that. But people being happy and confident is a good thing. Espcially in children and teens.
Totally agree!
While I'm still overweight at 5' 4" 179.4lbs... I am VERY confident. I've never had a body-image problem, but I do realize that I need to lose weight in order to be fit & healthy for the long haul. Of course I'd like to wear smaller clothes too. LoL 0 -
As a fat person, I think it's just an excuse. While rudeness is totally unacceptable, overweight people are a heavy burden to not only themselves, but society- notably our healthcare system. Fat people, including myself, need to take responsibility. And if they're not ready and continue to be unhealthy, then they need support and encouragement until it's their time to make a difference.0
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I don't want to accept my fat. I want it to go away.0
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I personally think some people much like myself have been overweight most of my life. I currenlty have a overweight child who struggles w/ it everyday.. she has always been over weight! u accept it because it is reality. hopefully one day something sparks in you that will make u want to change.. i have been overweight most of my life (as a child ) i accepted it because i didnt know how to change. no adult was around me showing how to properly eat and exercise.. so u learn by trial and error! i had a lightbulb moment.. but keep in mind alot of kids turn into adults who accept it , they don't know how to change or where to start. that's why a site like this can be the first step for people who struggle w/ obesity... so lets try not to judge people and keep this in mind... signed fat girl 1010
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I think if smoking were still cheap, socially accepted, and as strongly advertised as our junk food is today, the number of smokers would never have decreased and would probably still be increasing. Likewise, if junk foods were heavily taxed, socially unacceptable, and if all of the junk food ads (and weight loss "diet" ads) disappeared from TV and magazines, obesity wouldn't be as much of a problem. I'm not necessarily calling for more taxes or legislation on food, I just find it to be an interesting comparison. In general I don't think the majority of people will change if they are not forced in some way to do so whether it be economically or socially or maybe even a health scare. However, I know a lot of people who have health problems or have family members with health problems relating to obesity and they are still not motivated to change.
That's interesting. I do think it's a little different since food is a necessity and it's a choice about type as opposed to whether or not to purchase it. Since fast food is cheaper, I think one of the major motivating factors is price. If they were to increase prices through taxes, I think it would definitely be interesting to see the effect it has (although I would personally be against any such tax).
Ok how about the opposite - tax incentives on healthy food, just as we have tax incentives on low poluting cars to help towards a healthier environment, why can't we have for example, no tax on fruit and veg? Burgers taxed but lean meat tax free? Fizzy drinks taxed but bottled water tax free?
Our government is too corrupt and lazy to ever do that.. welcome to america.0 -
I both love myself at my current weight AND I am trying to lose weight. I think these " movements" are to get people to love themselves no matter what society tries to dictate as beautiful. However, it is not trying to get people to stay unhealthy.0
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Being happy with yourself is important but come on lets be realistic. Unhealthy is unhealthy, if your happy about it or not.0
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I can't believe I wasted my time going to thins dumb link. That is a truly disgusting and ignorant way to think about other human beings.0 -
People are getting "fit and healthy" and "attractive" mixed up.
MOST people consider thin people to be more attractive than heavy people, and people value others that they find appealing. This is just human nature. That doesn't mean skinny-pack-a-day-smoker-to-kill-her-appetite is more fit or healthy than 200-pound-marathon-runner-fatty. Marathon fatty is healthier hands down, but skinny smoker is probably more pleasing to look at. A thin, toned woman who eats well and takes care of herself will trump both of them easily. All of that is irrelevant when the topic is accepting yourself as less than YOUR ideal.
People keep talking about how a lot of muscle gives you a high BMI and how these "fat" people are healthy. YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE just by LOOKING at them. No one is looking at Fabio and saying "wow you should lose some weight, your BMI is HIGH". Come on! This whole thread is excuses and justification and a giant pity party! If you aren't the 1% who has a medical condition, then you are fat because you haven't done anything about it and that is NOT ok.0 -
It is extremely important (as is the Health at Every Size movement).
There are a couple of key reasons:
1. There is a lot of fat discrimination, it is the only kind that is acceptable. Most of it is dependent on our stereotypes of fat people. We have basically associated all of the "bad" traits to being fat. And we have also labeled it as something fixable, like being poor. It is very much tied into the American identity.
"Fat people are slothful, lazy and over indulgent. If they would just get some self control and pick themselves up by the bootstraps they will be thin and normal." (Doesn't this sound a lot like what we say about poor people, and black people and other non-Asian ethnic people. As if society has zero role in circumstance and opportunity.)
2. The generally accepted message is, if you are "fat" you can't be happy, confident, have nice hings or live your life until you are "normal and thin."
People with positive self images generally treat themselves better, (and are more likely to adopt healthy habits) and our society makes it very difficult to have a positive self-image if you aren't "normal." Unfortunately normalcy applies to size, stature, race, wealth, class and virtually every attribute. Why is "nude" the color beige? Does this mean if I am not "beige" then there is no nude tone that matches me, because I am "abnormal." Or there are "normal" stores with "regular" sizes. And if you don't fit into this "normal" size, you are banished to the deep dark basement where the "abnormal" plus sized clothing goes.
3. We have confused weight with health. There is a loose correlation with weight and health, but people can be healthy at many weights, and unhealthy at the same weight. The biggest problem is that we are so focused on losing weight and not GAINING health, people will resort to ridiculously unhealthy methods in order to see the right number on the scale. These habits are not maintainable and the weight comes back with interest. Causing even poorer health. Focusing on improving health, will help more than losing weight will. And improving health might have a side effect of weight loss. The more we tell people that weight - health, the more people will resort to fad diets, pointless supplements, and remain as unhealthy as they were before.
4. There is no one standard of a healthy weight. My healthy weight might be "fat" or "skinny" or "unhealthy" on someone else.
5. Loving yourself as you are now, doesn't mean that you have to stop improving. Do parents stop loving their kids when they do something bad? Should you stop loving and caring for yourself because you don't have a perfect body/perfect health right now? Of course not, so why are we trying to force this message that you are "less than" and not deserving of love or respect or sympathy because of your current appearance.0 -
Based on what I've read and heard from friends, the "fat acceptance movement" is not about "I'm overweight, and I'm okay with it!" in terms of health. It's "I'm considered overweight according to society's measures, but I still have feelings of confidence and self worth."
We live in a shaming society -- fat-shaming, skinny-shaming, black-shaming, white-shaming -- you name it, someone out there shames it. With the obesity crisis coming into the limelight (via laws concerning sodas and new programs in schools for overweight children), fat-shaming is becoming more prominent -- and more nasty and degrading.
The "fat acceptance movement" has been caused not only by the obesity "epidemic: (and the resulting shaming) but also by society's perception of beauty. Because of how we have been raised, we believe that fat people are "lazy, ugly, non-motivated", etc.
The fat acceptance movement was established to help people who consider themselves obese, overweight, etc., to accept themselves and love themselves. Would you love yourself if you felt like the entire world was calling you lazy and ugly? Would you feel good about yourself if your body was always cast in a negative light with nasty societal consequences?
This movement isn't about "acceptance of unhealthy ways"; it's about acceptance of oneself and love of oneself. It's about self esteem and self-confidence.
Unfortunately you can't force people to accept anything. You can't call people "haters" for shaming fat people and have any real changes. Shaming is shaming, even shaming the "haters".
I think the biggest help will be to stop having big industry and the media ram their skeleton girls down everyone's throat and castigate everyone who doesn't resemble them, (Which is most of us).
If there's no media opinion of what is a normal way to look, then everyone becomes normal again.
Bottom line is, they're making money off getting us to hate ourselves, and having everyone else hate people who don't match the "social ideal".
The food industry fills our food with chemicals designed to make us eat more, and then come the weight loss scams to get us to try to lose it, and then medical bills for all the people with obesity related health issues.
Keeping us hating ourselves and others is a multi billion dollar industry.0 -
I have been curious for some time why society has made such an enormous deal out of anorexia but ignores the equally as bad for you eating disorders that make people obese. I have also noticed that with teenage girls the medical profession has no problem telling a skinny child to eat more but refuses to tell an overweight child (unless grossly obese and then they want to take the child away from the parents) to lose weight and eat right because it might cause them to become anorexic. What is healthy is healthy and what is not healthy is not healthy. What is so difficult about telling the truth and accepting the facts?
If you want to get into the subject of taxation as a motivator for healthy living all I can say is I live in a state that taxes cigarettes to death and sales have not been reduced. Taxation does not solve the problem. It is simply a legal means by which the government may steal from the people.0 -
I don't want to accept my fat. I want it to go away.
^^^^ SO THIS!!!....I saw a post saying it is refereing to rights that they have like on airplanes and all...Let me lose it and then I won't need my own rules.....#TEAMNOEXCUSE0
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