Lose weight to be healthy??? F no, I want to be HAWT!
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If I'm healthy, I'll be hotter... for longer.
If I didn't care about my health, I'd be eating only spinach shakes and cabbage until I got so hungry I binged on fast food, puking up every meal in a toilet, losing weight at a crazy rate and muscle mass along with it, hemmoraghing my throat and separating my corneas from violent forced vomiting.
But all that's not so attractive, so I'm fine with sticking to my calorie deficit, getting moderate exercise, splurging when I so desire and getting gradually hotter while getting gradually more healthy.
Hope your health improves with your hotness, advertantly or inadvertantly...
Oh wow... You took that to extremes. I'm healthy. I'm losing weight in a healthy manner. I watch what I eat, eat a diet that is 40% carbs, 30 protein and 30% fat. I normally eat between 1500 and 1900 calories a day (I'm aiming for 1920 which would be my maintenance calories at my goal weight. I workout moderately and I believe in moderation when it comes to splurging. I also don't believe in denying oneself anything but making room for it in a healthy way by adjusting your eating around it.
I did not say that I don't care about my health. I honestly do or else I wouldn't be losing the way that I am. I'm saying that this weight loss is not for health reasons and I get annoyed by people talking about how my health conditions will get better as I lose... They will not.0 -
I totally do all these fitness things to be healthy...:laugh:0
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I did not say that I don't care about my health. I honestly do or else I wouldn't be losing the way that I am. I'm saying that this weight loss is not for health reasons and I get annoyed by people talking about how my health conditions will get better as I lose... They will not.
Yeah, I just edited my post to remove the middle, just in case. Snarkiness isn't worth accidentally triggering somebody. So, my apologies. I kinda tell it like it is with no brakes sometimes.
I think the people who are saying these things to you are actually trying to motivate you and steer you right. Even if it irritates you, they're saying it with good intentions. Maybe you can try to see it differently and it will help.0 -
It's an article and doesn't mention how the measurement standard that they use to obtain the percentage. I'll take the medical study over the article, especially since even in the article it states that jockeys who are under 5% body fat are suffering body damage.
The BEST elite athletes in the world, the best bodybuilders in the world sit at 3%-4% body fat for maybe a day. Where are you getting your information or is it just something you've heard? If it's written, I'd love to see it to see if it contradicts what medical journals and science journals are stating at "livable" body fat levels.
Actually that's verging on death.Mostly because he used to have 4.5% bodyfat...
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I know guys with 2% body fat.
I've read that 3% was the minimum recommended body fat percentage for men... He liked being ripped and did a lot of martial arts. He was also an instructor.
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I'm getting my information from working with jockeys, but you can also see it here as well as other places.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/2009/jockeyundercover/jockeyundercover_interview.html
and
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2004/april/14/hbo-documentary-jockey-makes-case-for-raising-minimum-weight.aspx
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:laugh:DITTO! I'm doing this so that I can be the hot mom at my kids' school (not in a sick way...) and my husband can have the hot wife when he introduces me to them. And I want to be hot for me. I want to know that when guys whistle or make comments, it's not to be cruel and joking...it's sincere!
I'm right there with ya on that one!!
I'm laughing so hard at the first part of your first sentence!!! :laugh: I am in total agreement with you too!!!0 -
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And when you get there, we will all congratulate you on your success..You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.0
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It's an article and doesn't mention how the measurement standard that they use to obtain the percentage. I'll take the medical study over the article, especially since even in the article it states that jockeys who are under 5% body fat are suffering body damage.
The BEST elite athletes in the world, the best bodybuilders in the world sit at 3%-4% body fat for maybe a day. Where are you getting your information or is it just something you've heard? If it's written, I'd love to see it to see if it contradicts what medical journals and science journals are stating at "livable" body fat levels.
Actually that's verging on death.Mostly because he used to have 4.5% bodyfat...
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I know guys with 2% body fat.
I've read that 3% was the minimum recommended body fat percentage for men... He liked being ripped and did a lot of martial arts. He was also an instructor.
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I'm getting my information from working with jockeys, but you can also see it here as well as other places.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/2009/jockeyundercover/jockeyundercover_interview.html
and
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2004/april/14/hbo-documentary-jockey-makes-case-for-raising-minimum-weight.aspx
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Of course they're suffering body damage. I'm not saying this is healthy, just that it's possible.
And the article isn't my main source.0 -
Truth. Fat secretes hormones.
They'd be dead. You CANNOT LIVE without bodyfat.
I call BS. They'd be dead.
Actually that's verging on death.Mostly because he used to have 4.5% bodyfat...
I know guys with 2% body fat.
It might be wrong, probably was, but I went to school with a girl who had 0% BF according to our gym teacher. She was pretty tiny, I mean you couldn't pinch any fat anywhere on her, honestly. It is possible she had an eating disorder, but I don't want to make unfair accusations.
Yeah, that's what I had thought... lol. But I'm sure it was dangerously low, whatever it actually was. Body needs fat to work... it's an organ, I thought...? >.>
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do all the right things for all the wrong reasons to stay motivated longer, because you're doing it for the real reasons that matter to you, not the noble/PC ones that society expects you to have.
Thank you... I'm not one for PC much..0 -
Yeah, right there also. I'm fairly healthy #s wise also. I work out hard and have lost weight and have started to see the muscle beneath the fat and I'm liking it when people look at me and do a double take and when I walk my *kitten* doesn't take 5 minutes to follow or jiggle like jello anymore. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to look HOT. Being healthy is a fringe benefit or vis a versa. All in perspective.0
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I'm doing it to be healthier. Keep my body in shape and eat right. Also to feel good about how I look.0
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And when you get there, we will all congratulate you on your success..You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.
Thanks... for the motivation? I'm walking the walk right now... See the 34 pounds lost part?0 -
I took it as countering my point that 4% was verging on death and that you stating 2% is doable and livable. I'm doubting 2% since I haven't read any medical journals that studied people at that body fat % (especially sports people who need high calories and correct metabolic function to compete) but I'll research it.
It's an article and doesn't mention how the measurement standard that they use to obtain the percentage. I'll take the medical study over the article, especially since even in the article it states that jockeys who are under 5% body fat are suffering body damage.
The BEST elite athletes in the world, the best bodybuilders in the world sit at 3%-4% body fat for maybe a day. Where are you getting your information or is it just something you've heard? If it's written, I'd love to see it to see if it contradicts what medical journals and science journals are stating at "livable" body fat levels.
Actually that's verging on death.Mostly because he used to have 4.5% bodyfat...
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I know guys with 2% body fat.
I've read that 3% was the minimum recommended body fat percentage for men... He liked being ripped and did a lot of martial arts. He was also an instructor.
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I'm getting my information from working with jockeys, but you can also see it here as well as other places.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/2009/jockeyundercover/jockeyundercover_interview.html
and
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2004/april/14/hbo-documentary-jockey-makes-case-for-raising-minimum-weight.aspx
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Of course they're suffering body damage. I'm not saying this is healthy, just that it's possible.
And the article isn't my main source.
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good! At least you're honest, and it's continuing to motivate you --go get it girl!0
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Truth. Fat secretes hormones.
They'd be dead. You CANNOT LIVE without bodyfat.
I call BS. They'd be dead.
Actually that's verging on death.Mostly because he used to have 4.5% bodyfat...
I know guys with 2% body fat.
It might be wrong, probably was, but I went to school with a girl who had 0% BF according to our gym teacher. She was pretty tiny, I mean you couldn't pinch any fat anywhere on her, honestly. It is possible she had an eating disorder, but I don't want to make unfair accusations.
Yeah, that's what I had thought... lol. But I'm sure it was dangerously low, whatever it actually was. Body needs fat to work... it's an organ, I thought...? >.>
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Correct, too little fat =no di-testosterone = sex organs failing to function correctly.0 -
When i read the OP first of all I thought I was going to have to rant.
But the more I'm honest with myself, yes, I want to be hot!
I've now got a healthy BMI and am in a UK size 12 jeans which was always just a dream. I'd not been that size for 20+ years.
But, I want to be strong and have a flat stomach and I want people to be honest when they say I look good.
I agree with every word.
health is the added bonus really.0 -
I took it as countering my point that 4% was verging on death and that you stating 2% is doable and livable. I'm doubting 2% since I haven't read any medical journals that studied people at that body fat % (especially sports people who need high calories and correct metabolic function to compete) but I'll research it.
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There are definitely jockeys who have maintained 2% body fat over the years, such as Laffit Pincay. But yes, I agree, body fat that low, which jockeys have to maintain to ride every day, is not at all good. More jockeys die trying to make weight than I'd care to think about.0 -
Yeah, I agree. I wanna be hot. I wanna buy my undies at Victoria's Secret. But, I'm also in pain on a daily basis because of my body! but when I'm on that stupid elliptical machine or thinking about getting fast food, it's sexy undies I think of...0
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And when you get there, we will all congratulate you on your success..You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.
Thanks... for the motivation? I'm walking the walk right now... See the 34 pounds lost part?
Yes, I read that part. I like to see end results. I will always dream about being 130lbs and a size 4. However, I take my success in small increments, for I (personally) know that if I focus too much on the number, it'll never come. Also, it's unrealistic to have such a low boyfat % like you've described. Try focusing on getting to a healthy weight first before you even consider lowering your body fat %.
What's going to happen when you reach a plateau? Don't you think you'll get frustrated and discouraged? I see this happen to more than I like. Just take it day by day, week by week, and month by month. Remember it's not a race, this is a journey.
EDIT: Also, wanting to look hot? Sounds to me that you seem to have some self esteem issues. Being hot is not just about looks, it's also about the way you carry yourself and present yourself to society. Being outgoing brings out the beauty in people. It's not all about the looks that you see on the outside...0 -
I want to be hot too, but last I checked, exercise didn't fix ugly. So therefore I am doing it for my health.0
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LOL...I so agree with you. Mine reason is both, but HOT is fabulous 2!0
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I started out just doing it for the looks factor, but then my body started surprising me with all this really cool *kitten* I can do and how awesome I felt.0
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I have two reasons:
1. Look good naked.
2. Less back pain.
The second reason might be about health. But mostly it's that I don't like pain. My BP and cholesterol are fine. I was never overweight to the point that it was putting my health at risk.0 -
And when you get there, we will all congratulate you on your success..You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.
Thanks... for the motivation? I'm walking the walk right now... See the 34 pounds lost part?
Yes, I read that part. I like to see end results. I will always dream about being 130lbs and a size 4. However, I take my success in small increments, for I (personally) know that if I focus too much on the number, it'll never come. Also, it's unrealistic to have such a low boyfat % like you've described. Try focusing on getting to a healthy weight first before you even consider lowering your body fat %.
What's going to happen when you reach a plateau? Don't you think you'll get frustrated and discouraged? I see this happen to more than I like. Just take it day by day, week by week, and month by month. Remember it's not a race, this is a journey.
EDIT: Also, wanting to look hot? Sounds to me that you seem to have some self esteem issues. Being hot is not just about looks, it's also about the way you carry yourself and present yourself to society. Being outgoing brings out the beauty in people. It's not all about the looks that you see on the outside...
I think you misread. I don't want an extremely low body fat %... and yes, I do have self-esteem issues that I'm working through. I also have depression which exercising helps.
But seriously, what is thinking about my health getting me if it doesn't motivate me? I'm healthy now and thinking about health issues arising in the future does nothing for me. I'm thinking about what it was like to be smaller. How I felt, how I looked, etc. I like thinking about that and it motivates me. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
It also seems that people are mistaking me being focused on my looks right now for lack of caring about my health or understanding the health implications of the future for my decisions now. I understand that this is something that I will have to deal with for the rest of my life (journey) I also understand that I must stay motivated and if this at any point does not continue to motivate me, I'll have to look for new motivation.
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I'm totally in the same boat. I do want to be healthier; I want to be able to jog up stairs and work and not be gasping when I'm done, and I want to finish my 30's with the kind of overall health that I should have had in my 20's.
But that's not what gets me off the couch and to the gym. That's accomplished with a look in the mirror and the size tag on my clothes. I want to be able to date comfortably and be out in public without worrying every 10 minutes that my shirt is not laying just the right way to hide the spare tire around my midsection. I want to get some of those looks I see guys give the fit girls at the gym. And I want to shop in normal sized clothes because, lets be honest, they are cuter. I'm not sure who decided that anyone overweight should wear nothing but paisley or wild color patterns, but I'm ready to break out of that.
I understand the whole "love yourself" thing, and I totally value myself as a person. But loving yourself and being realistic have to go hand in hand in my world. Am I worthy of love and respect? Damn Right. Could I use some weight loss to make me look better? Damn Right. Because flab isn't hot and I have flab; so less flab will make me hotter.
Now that's the kind of math equation I can understand. 0 -
Again I'm skeptical about the actual body fat %. Pincay (from an article I read just now) stated that he ate very little and tried hard to stay away from protein. He was diagnose with anorexia. Physiologically, the body likes to store fat (obviously we can see that today). When fat gets down to single digits, it will catabolize lean tissue in compromise for fat tissue. This would RAISE the body fat % even if weight stayed the same. I can believe single digits above 5% (which is TOTALLY RIPPED and you can see practically every muscle separation just below the skin), but 2%................nah.I took it as countering my point that 4% was verging on death and that you stating 2% is doable and livable. I'm doubting 2% since I haven't read any medical journals that studied people at that body fat % (especially sports people who need high calories and correct metabolic function to compete) but I'll research it.
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There are definitely jockeys who have maintained 2% body fat over the years, such as Laffit Pincay. But yes, I agree, body fat that low, which jockeys have to maintain to ride every day, is not at all good. More jockeys die trying to make weight than I'd care to think about.
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I want both!0
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Actually that's verging on death.Mostly because he used to have 4.5% bodyfat...
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Really? Bruce Lee at 3% body fat. There's a bodybuilder that was measured at 2.4% body fat.
ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Bass0 -
And when you get there, we will all congratulate you on your success..You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.
Thanks... for the motivation? I'm walking the walk right now... See the 34 pounds lost part?
Yes, I read that part. I like to see end results. I will always dream about being 130lbs and a size 4. However, I take my success in small increments, for I (personally) know that if I focus too much on the number, it'll never come. Also, it's unrealistic to have such a low boyfat % like you've described. Try focusing on getting to a healthy weight first before you even consider lowering your body fat %.
What's going to happen when you reach a plateau? Don't you think you'll get frustrated and discouraged? I see this happen to more than I like. Just take it day by day, week by week, and month by month. Remember it's not a race, this is a journey.
EDIT: Also, wanting to look hot? Sounds to me that you seem to have some self esteem issues. Being hot is not just about looks, it's also about the way you carry yourself and present yourself to society. Being outgoing brings out the beauty in people. It's not all about the looks that you see on the outside...
I think you misread. I don't want an extremely low body fat %... and yes, I do have self-esteem issues that I'm working through. I also have depression which exercising helps.
But seriously, what is thinking about my health getting me if it doesn't motivate me? I'm healthy now and thinking about health issues arising in the future does nothing for me. I'm thinking about what it was like to be smaller. How I felt, how I looked, etc. I like thinking about that and it motivates me. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
It also seems that people are mistaking me being focused on my looks right now for lack of caring about my health or understanding the health implications of the future for my decisions now. I understand that this is something that I will have to deal with for the rest of my life (journey) I also understand that I must stay motivated and if this at any point does not continue to motivate me, I'll have to look for new motivation.
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Ok, so I didn't misread what you wrote. I came from a family that ate healthy foods, was active (but should have been much more active), yet I was overweight. So, I wasn't healthy because I was overweight. So, now, I'm becoming healthy. Luckily, I don't suffer from pre-existing disorders or anything that would hinder my ability to work out. I was fortunate. I'm sorry that you suffer from depresssion....and yes, most definitely exercising does help cope with depression. Reward yourself with every small milestone you reach. Make those goals for yourself.0
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