CARBS and BIG BELLIES
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When I stand my big belly is gone, but when I look like a snowman o.O Eff..0
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Some good advice is to stop listening to Dr. Oz. You can't reduce one part of your body over another. It will all reduce given enough time and weight lost. There is no trick other than patience and hard work.
Focus on consistency and logging your food and success will come regardless of what fads and gimmicks a salesman with a Ph.D on television tells you you need to follow.
Yes that's what we've all heard and assumed to be true; I just want to know people's results with low-carb diets. You have too much belly fat, you probably have too much everywhere fat, so if you lose weight, you lose belly. Of course.
I'm not sure what Dr. Oz has to gain by telling people how to eat better, but I'm sure what he's saying is not complete fiction. If you have a PhD then go ahead and argue, but I don't, so I won't.
From my experience, Dr. Oz is correct on this topic. I TOTALLY LOVE CARBS and I also have a much bigger belly than others in the same weight range as me. I have done low carb diets in the past and definitely lost from my belly from the very beginning and just kept going. However, for me this was unsustainable since I am a Carb-aholic. Eventually, I gave in to carbs and gained all my weight back. I am currently slightly lowering carbs but mainly focusing on increasing my protein and seeing good results. Other sources, including my personal doctor have explained the importance of keeping your body's insulin at a normal rate...no spikes, drops, etc. which you can do by balancing the amount of carbs you are consuming with lean protein (Btw, I am not diabetic, that applies to everyone.) With lowering calories and exercise only I lose weight but my belly is the last to go with lowering carbs, it is the first to go. Just my experience, best of luck to you. Btw, if you need help on low carb foods to eat, google glycemic index of foods, this is the most accurate way to track the sugar/carbs.0 -
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I wanted to have a flatter tummy for my trip to the Dominican, so the 2 weeks before I left I went on the AB diet, which is high protien, low carb and 6 small meals a day instad of 3 , my stomach totally went down, I was amazed at what eating the right things can do to help get rid of belly fat, I kept up my normal exercising as well, didnt change a thing there Just my food intake . It worked. PLus it never seemed like I was hungry ! Then I came home went back to my old eating habits, still going to gym as well, and now I'm back to like when I started
...so I am going back on the diet starting today 
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Re: Anti-Inflammatory foods. I followed "Eat Right For your Blood Type" which tells each blood type what foods to avoid because they cause inflammation in that specific blood type. It worked. I learned that my beloved crab causes me to swell up... after avoiding it for 4 months I had a small amount. Probably... 1/4 of a cup. I Swelled up so much that I could barely get my rings off and the next day i weighed 9 more pounds than before I ate the crab. After that, I followed the plan strictly for the next week and it took me 4 days to reduce the inflammation. Now, I don't follow this book's strategy on a daily basis but it has made me much more aware of what my body likes and doesn't like. Daikon is a diuretic food that helps to strip animal fats and swelling from your body... works every time! Hope this helps.0
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I wanted to have a flatter tummy for my trip to the Dominican, so the 2 weeks before I left I went on the AB diet, which is high protien, low carb and 6 small meals a day instad of 3 , my stomach totally went down, I was amazed at what eating the right things can do to help get rid of belly fat, I kept up my normal exercising as well, didnt change a thing there Just my food intake . It worked. PLus it never seemed like I was hungry ! Then I came home went back to my old eating habits, still going to gym as well, and now I'm back to like when I started ...so I am going back on the diet starting today
What is the AB Diet? Perhaps I should just google it... 0 -
haaaaaaaaa ha ha!!! LOL at King Kong in the gym0
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For the record: Oz doesn't have a "Ph.D. in medicine". He has an MD. He may also have a Ph.D., who knows. But a medical degree is not a Ph.D.Some good advice is to stop listening to Dr. Oz.
^ Absolutely this. A PHD in medicine is not necessary to determine that someone is full of *kitten*.0 -
I wanted to have a flatter tummy for my trip to the Dominican, so the 2 weeks before I left I went on the AB diet, which is high protien, low carb and 6 small meals a day instad of 3 , my stomach totally went down, I was amazed at what eating the right things can do to help get rid of belly fat, I kept up my normal exercising as well, didnt change a thing there Just my food intake . It worked. PLus it never seemed like I was hungry ! Then I came home went back to my old eating habits, still going to gym as well, and now I'm back to like when I started ...so I am going back on the diet starting today
What is the AB Diet? Perhaps I should just google it...
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/fitness/abs-diet-weekly-menu0 -
This is flawed thinking. Eating causes insulin to be released in the blood stream, regardless of food type. Protein causes insulin spikes just as high, and in some cases even higher, than carbs do. Diabetes is not caused by insulin. Insulin dependence/resistance is a symptom of being diabetic, not the cause of it, just like a sneeze is a symptom of a cold. You don't sneeze and then blame the sneeze for giving you the cold, you blame the cold for making you sneeze. Diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and excess body fat. You can eat low carb/low sugar, all you like, and still end up with diabetes if you are genetically predisposed to it and have other risk factors for it, just like some diabetics can eat high carb and have complete control over their diabetes.What I've read is the magic of eating a low carb diet is low sugar. If I take in fewer carbs, my body doesn't need to release insulin into my bloodstream, which has been proven to restrict fat burning. The theory is, if I eat like a diabetic, I won't turn into one. So far, it's working pretty well, though I am still quite a sugar addict and cheat a lot. That said, my most profound weight loss ever came as a result of eating a vegan diet. In 2001, I shed 7.5 inches on my waist and nearly 40 pounds, a lot of fat. I ultimately gave it up, as I found it very inconvenient and expensive, and I was hungry a lot. It was years before I started counting calories, but I expect I was barely eating 1400 calories a day, which resulted in very fast fat and weight loss. It was very difficult to find enough protein and I had to take supplements, but I felt great and lost weight. Hope this helps!0 -
The only way I lose weight is a low-carb diet. But I also have hypothyroidism, which is a bummer dealing with when trying to lose weight. The 'calories in-calories out' approach doesn't hold true for me....the types of calories really do matter. And I hold most of my fat in my belly, so naturally, it comes off first.0
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This is flawed thinking. Eating causes insulin to be released in the blood stream, regardless of food type. Protein causes insulin spikes just as high, and in some cases even higher, than carbs do. Diabetes is not caused by insulin. Insulin dependence/resistance is a symptom of being diabetic, not the cause of it, just like a sneeze is a symptom of a cold. You don't sneeze and then blame the sneeze for giving you the cold, you blame the cold for making you sneeze. Diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and excess body fat. You can eat low carb/low sugar, all you like, and still end up with diabetes if you are genetically predisposed to it and have other risk factors for it, just like some diabetics can eat high carb and have complete control over their diabetes.What I've read is the magic of eating a low carb diet is low sugar. If I take in fewer carbs, my body doesn't need to release insulin into my bloodstream, which has been proven to restrict fat burning. The theory is, if I eat like a diabetic, I won't turn into one. So far, it's working pretty well, though I am still quite a sugar addict and cheat a lot. That said, my most profound weight loss ever came as a result of eating a vegan diet. In 2001, I shed 7.5 inches on my waist and nearly 40 pounds, a lot of fat. I ultimately gave it up, as I found it very inconvenient and expensive, and I was hungry a lot. It was years before I started counting calories, but I expect I was barely eating 1400 calories a day, which resulted in very fast fat and weight loss. It was very difficult to find enough protein and I had to take supplements, but I felt great and lost weight. Hope this helps!
Protein does not cause an insulin spike the same or higher than carbs. It does cause insulin to be released but not to the same degree as carbs.
Insulin is a fat storage hormone. Diabetes is a disease that results from too much insulin in the blood stream. Sometimes it's genetic (Type I) and sometimes acquired (Type II what used to be known as Adult Onset Diabetes but is now just as commonly found in children). An additional set of symptoms is associated with metabolic syndrome. Excess body fat has an impact on the release of hormones including insulin--look it up. Some people can manage a high carbohydrate diet but few people can tolerate excess insulin in their bloodstream for an extended period of time without developing diabetes. Diabetes is not just a disease you will get because of genetics.0 -
This is flawed thinking. Eating causes insulin to be released in the blood stream, regardless of food type. Protein causes insulin spikes just as high, and in some cases even higher, than carbs do. Diabetes is not caused by insulin. Insulin dependence/resistance is a symptom of being diabetic, not the cause of it, just like a sneeze is a symptom of a cold. You don't sneeze and then blame the sneeze for giving you the cold, you blame the cold for making you sneeze. Diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and excess body fat. You can eat low carb/low sugar, all you like, and still end up with diabetes if you are genetically predisposed to it and have other risk factors for it, just like some diabetics can eat high carb and have complete control over their diabetes.What I've read is the magic of eating a low carb diet is low sugar. If I take in fewer carbs, my body doesn't need to release insulin into my bloodstream, which has been proven to restrict fat burning. The theory is, if I eat like a diabetic, I won't turn into one. So far, it's working pretty well, though I am still quite a sugar addict and cheat a lot. That said, my most profound weight loss ever came as a result of eating a vegan diet. In 2001, I shed 7.5 inches on my waist and nearly 40 pounds, a lot of fat. I ultimately gave it up, as I found it very inconvenient and expensive, and I was hungry a lot. It was years before I started counting calories, but I expect I was barely eating 1400 calories a day, which resulted in very fast fat and weight loss. It was very difficult to find enough protein and I had to take supplements, but I felt great and lost weight. Hope this helps!
Protein does not cause an insulin spike the same or higher than carbs. It does cause insulin to be released but not to the same degree as carbs.
Insulin is a fat storage hormone. Diabetes is a disease that results from too much insulin in the blood stream. Sometimes it's genetic (Type I) and sometimes acquired (Type II what used to be known as Adult Onset Diabetes but is now just as commonly found in children). An additional set of symptoms is associated with metabolic syndrome. Excess body fat has an impact on the release of hormones including insulin--look it up. Some people can manage a high carbohydrate diet but few people can tolerate excess insulin in their bloodstream for an extended period of time without developing diabetes. Diabetes is not just a disease you will get because of genetics.
Insulin does not cause diabetes. Insulin is also a lot more than a fat storage hormone. It's an appetite suppressant, it's a muscle building hormone, it shuttles nutrients from the blood stream to muscles, insulin has close to 100 separate functions in human metabolism. Excess body fat interferes with insulin, which is what causes insulin resistance with Type II, not just having insulin.
And yes protein can spike insulin much higher than carbs, whey protein in particular. Insulin is supposed to spike and recede, that's called normal metabolism.0 -
The insulin response to fats is very low if not negligible - cream for example compared to casein (a protein) below :-Eating causes insulin to be released in the blood stream, regardless of food type
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Who is this 'Dr Oz' you speak of?
Low carb diets are essentially lower in calories because its harder to get the same amount of calories in a portion of protein than it is in carbs (i.e. a portion of pasta and chicken the same size are not calorifically the same).
Having a less bloated tummy, probably just depends on how your body processes what you eat. Im eating paleo-ish, Ive got IBS and have found it really helpful as the food Ive been eating has really brought down my flare-ups and I dont feel bloated or sickly after eating. Im not eating low carb as I eat a lot of fruit and veg, especially sweet potatos.
Anyway, Im just trying to point out that eating 'low carb' doesnt necessarily mean you'll get a flatter stomach, it might 'feel' flatter, but doesnt mean it is.0 -
Fat is not insulinogenic. Eating causes the insulin response, not the fat. Thank you for proving my point.
The insulin response to fats is very low if not negligible - cream for example compared to casein (a protein) below :-Eating causes insulin to be released in the blood stream, regardless of food type0 -
Fat is not insulinogenic. Eating causes the insulin response, not the fat. Thank you for proving my point.
I did not prove it, I did the opposite. There is no insulin response to eating cream in that table, there is to protein. So the insulin response to eating failed to show up ?
Or are you saying that you drink cream not eat it so that's different.0 -
Insulin increased a slight amount after one hour, from 39 to 49. . That's the general response due to eating. Cream contains no protein or carbs , so there was no continuous release. Insulin response starts as soon as food hits your tongue, and continues or stops based on content of the food.
Besides, name one meal in the real world, outside of a lab, that contains 100% fat.0 -
But not statistically significant. In other words 39.6 +/- 20.4 and 49.2 +/- 33.0 could be the same value - the ranges of each are over double the difference.Insulin increased a slight amount after one hour, from 39 to 49
Compare that to the levels over 100 seen for two hours from the protein.
There might be a tiny response purely to eating, I've seen the same said about the look or smell of food too, but is it enough to have any effect on blood sugar, lipolysis etc compared to the large responses to carbs and protein ingestion ?0 -
Many of these posters are right that you can't "spot reduce", but Dr. Oz is also right that some foods make you more bloated than others. I'm already pretty lean, and the only way for me to really get leaner is to eat low carb. For me that's cutting out bread and anything with white flour- tortillas, pastries, crackers, etc. I eat more high fats instead, avocado, veggies satueed in olive oil, etc. It's the only way for me to get a flat stomach. Even eating whole grains and oatmeal I can't get that lean. I strongly believe that a calorie is not a calorie, and different foods act different in your body. If I eat 1,200 calories of McDonalds everyday I'm not fat, but I'm "soft", my clothes don't look or fit good, I have a belly and back fat. 1,200 calories of lean meat, veggies, and just a little bit of low-fat dairy and I have a waist, no love handles and you can actually see the muscle in my legs.0
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I'm sure there are websites dedicated to all the things Dr. Oz says that are incorrect. My wife's favorite was when he advised people to drink green tea because it doesn't have caffeine... (hint: it does. It's made from the same plant as many other types of tea.)0
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In a normal human metabolism, insulin spikes have very little effect on blood sugar in general, so I'm honestly not even sure what point you are trying to make. As for lipolysis, like glycolysis and gluconeogenesis, it's a 24/7 process. Insulin doesn't stop fat from being burned. It slows it down to maintain energy balance. Insulin honestly stores very little fat, I honestly don't know why people think it does. Insulin controls blood sugar by by moving glucose into muscle tissue and the liver, and only stores it in fat once glycogen stores are completely full, which pretty much never happens unless in a huge surplus. People put way too much emphasis on insulin and trying to control it, and really, it serves no practical purpose to anyone without a metabolic condition.
But not statistically significant. In other words 39.6 +/- 20.4 and 49.2 +/- 33.0 could be the same value - the ranges of each are over double the difference.Insulin increased a slight amount after one hour, from 39 to 49
Compare that to the levels over 100 seen for two hours from the protein.
There might be a tiny response purely to eating, I've seen the same said about the look or smell of food too, but is it enough to have any effect on blood sugar, lipolysis etc compared to the large responses to carbs and protein ingestion ?0 -
I don't have a big belly but I bloat ALOT when I eat even one piece of bread. I know it's not fat and it will go away but who wants to live with bloat too? I don't. So I just try to limit my carb intake.0
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Insulin doesn't stop fat from being burned. It slows it down to maintain energy balance. Insulin honestly stores very little fat, I honestly don't know why people think it does.
...I think we can thank Gary Taubes for that. Even if you think he is full of dung, some of his ideas have become mainstream with little in the way of reality backing it up, his ideas get regurgitated enough that you don't see the source.
Many among the Paleo cult tend to spew Taubesisms. The Paleo cult hates "them" even more than Taubes, so thy picked up a lot of his anti-establishment rhetoric.0 -
My interest is not in fat storage but in fat disposal. insulin inhibits lipolysis. I want to remove fat from my adipose tissue so I want to maximise lipolysis. Why would I want elevated insulin if I could reduce it ? Should I not make any change I can that favour maximum lipolysis rates ?0
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The only way I lose weight is a low-carb diet. But I also have hypothyroidism, which is a bummer dealing with when trying to lose weight. The 'calories in-calories out' approach doesn't hold true for me....the types of calories really do matter. And I hold most of my fat in my belly, so naturally, it comes off first.
This is the same for me too ....sucks to have hypothyrodism ~ and trying to loose weight and do what's right for your body. 0 -
Because in an overall 24 hour period, either way evens out. Higher insulin spikes lead to lower insulin drops, while lower spikes lead to less drops. Either way you burn the exact same amount of fat during a 24 hour period.My interest is not in fat storage but in fat disposal. insulin inhibits lipolysis. I want to remove fat from my adipose tissue so I want to maximise lipolysis. Why would I want elevated insulin if I could reduce it ? Should I not make any change I can that favour maximum lipolysis rates ?0 -
The thing about low carbs is that if you cut refined sugar out of your diet, after a few days the sugar levels in your blood level out. Low carb/low sugar diets are good for breaking the physiological sugar cravings so that you can resume low calorie intake without that awful craving for something sweet!0
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i personaly dislike low carb diets.i'm on a strict 40% carb 40% protein 20% fat regime and ive burned belly and butt fat.
The idea is to take complex carbs(like whole-grain,fruits) over simple carbs(like refine sugar and sweets) thats that's the whole philosophy.0
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